NOC E.G.O Wielders Mafia - A 17P Role Madness (Game Thread) - MAFIA WIN

If we're believing Flandrs' and AP's claims that means bluedoom didn't see the kill despite having a watch or that one of them carried out the kill in addition to their regular ability (which seems weird)

Though I do think it could be reasonable that in a game with two watchers Mafia has a way to avoid watches with the kill
 
bluedoom with your role, do you know if that person targeted someone even if they weren't visited by anyone?

ie do you get a different response in these two scenarios:
You target A, A targets B, no one visits A
You target A, A doesn't target anyone, no one visits A
 
I feel like its a good idea to consider possible BD and Flandrs teams here. I strongly doubt BD is mafia with either Skipper or Flandrs, and if this is an orchestrated bus in pre lylo then I expect we are going to lose anyways.

Joey and Realiti are being oddly agnostic today and I sort of dont like that Realiti is leaving until DL. Possibly waiting for more info before deciding on a bus. Joey kind of doing that too.
 
AP I still don't think it's wise to create solves that rely on des following a particular strategy. That applies to both alignments. When she voted me she seemed to be flip-flopping between me and BD by the hour.
 
joey said:
bluedoom with your role, do you know if that person targeted someone even if they weren't visited by anyone?

ie do you get a different response in these two scenarios:
You target A, A targets B, no one visits A
You target A, A doesn't target anyone, no one visits A
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I'm not sure because I didn't ask Hyhy about it, should be possible to ask Hyhy in thread how it would resolve with a hypothetical question though
 
I'll be honest I don't know at all what to do here, which is why I'm not actively posting

I'm kind of feeling a vote between AP and bluedoom today but I don't really feel great about either of those votes yet. I believe AP and bd's claims.

I do think it's possible that scum!AP would neighborize skip/Neon n4 for two reasons:
1) Being able to have the appearance of neighborizing two townies, but since Neon is dead there's no actual neighborhood.
2) Covering for the fact that he also carried the kill against Neon, in case he was caught on a watch/track.
And I feel like it's kinda the type of thing that will get towncred without actually letting town do too much, since Neon was really not doing anything and I doubt anything came out of the skipper/neon d4 neighborhood anyways.

While bluedoom's claim doesn't give a lot of info his targets feel pretty reasonable from a town POV. Revealing them is pretty neutral since we know that nothing really came of it, we would've learned that Flandrs and AP visited Neon from their claims anyway. I don't love him voting for Flandrs today, and I also don't know about his logic on pulsar that pulsar voting for Flandrs is a towny thing? I just don't put as much stock into a one-off vote.
 
I also don't hate the idea of voting des and pulsar in a row because I really feel like there's one or two scum between them, but I don't think there's a way to have a vote on either of them that feels good today
 
joey said:
While bluedoom's claim doesn't give a lot of info his targets feel pretty reasonable from a town POV. Revealing them is pretty neutral since we know that nothing really came of it, we would've learned that Flandrs and AP visited Neon from their claims anyway. I don't love him voting for Flandrs today, and I also don't know about his logic on pulsar that pulsar voting for Flandrs is a towny thing? I just don't put as much stock into a one-off vote.
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So you want to vote for like Chemdah/Des/pulsar?
 
joey said:
and I also don't know about his logic on pulsar that pulsar voting for Flandrs is a towny thing? I just don't put as much stock into a one-off vote.
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Pulsar doesn't have much progression on me at all, but what little there is suggests she's frustrated town trying to reorient after some difficult town flips. I think it's vaguely towny in that sense but it's really not enough to sort her in an endgame situation, so I'd like her to claim.
 
joey said:
I'll be honest I don't know at all what to do here, which is why I'm not actively posting

I'm kind of feeling a vote between AP and bluedoom today but I don't really feel great about either of those votes yet. I believe AP and bd's claims.

I do think it's possible that scum!AP would neighborize skip/Neon n4 for two reasons:
1) Being able to have the appearance of neighborizing two townies, but since Neon is dead there's no actual neighborhood.
2) Covering for the fact that he also carried the kill against Neon, in case he was caught on a watch/track.
And I feel like it's kinda the type of thing that will get towncred without actually letting town do too much, since Neon was really not doing anything and I doubt anything came out of the skipper/neon d4 neighborhood anyways.

While bluedoom's claim doesn't give a lot of info his targets feel pretty reasonable from a town POV. Revealing them is pretty neutral since we know that nothing really came of it, we would've learned that Flandrs and AP visited Neon from their claims anyway. I don't love him voting for Flandrs today, and I also don't know about his logic on pulsar that pulsar voting for Flandrs is a towny thing? I just don't put as much stock into a one-off vote.
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I mean I have to vote one of ap/flanders according to my results, there's no way I'm not doing that


I would have to figure out which of flandrs/ap is maf here ofc but I'm not finding flandrs scummy just because he voted me

Flandrs:
a) was one of the vocal voices who moves the vote from NE to Evie, claimed doc, on D3
b) made a vote on realiti citing "subs are maf" as the reason and ignoring the thread the entire day
c) did the same with me today and only came back to respond to the thread *after* I claimed a guilty on him

Clearly the level of activity rising after a claimed watch report on him is going to ring bells for me

I also did state my issues with flandrs much earlier during d4, this isn't an OMGUS vote(you'd have to read my iso during d4 for this)
 
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