Popcorn Mafia 4 - Cycle 3 Decision due August 21 at 10PM EDT

I guess I need to lower my expectations/bar for what's "important" because I'm kind of trying to think in a day 2 mindset where there would could be a kill, night results, mechanical stuff, etc but the bar for reads is really still day 1-esque beyond interactions with Clouds
 
I think my biggest struggle is that a ton of the content in the thread is just game theory / mechanical discussion and that all boils down to NAI in my opinion, and when you zoom in to the actual reads it feels like there's not a lot of content
 
joey said:
I think my biggest struggle is that a ton of the content in the thread is just game theory / mechanical discussion and that all boils down to NAI in my opinion, and when you zoom in to the actual reads it feels like there's not a lot of content
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Do you think all mechanical discussion is done with possible intent of either alignment?

Do you think the reads themselves are not very informative?

What do you think would be strong indicative markers of town play right now?
 
bluedoom said:
Do you think all mechanical discussion is done with possible intent of either alignment?
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I think mechanical discussion from experienced players is generally not alignment indicative. Tommy could be having the exact same conversation about "should a townie want to get shot" if he were a townie, a mafia, or a spectator. It's a topic of discussion that is pretty much completely independent from pushing any kind of narrative within the game.

I think mechanical discussion from newer players can sometimes be alignment indicative (slippy, rather, I guess) but for them there's a lot of WIFOM on whether they are being coached to feign that or genuinely saying it.

Arguing with des is also very much in the same vein as mechanical discussion


bluedoom said:
Do you think the reads themselves are not very informative?
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I'm confused how everyone seems to have such strong skipper reads when I feel like the discussion about skipper is 20x longer than the sum of the posts he's made.

I've reread the last few pages a few times but I guess I need to read back further again because I don't feel like anyone except Celever gave informed reads that made sense within that content.

bluedoom said:
What do you think would be strong indicative markers of town play right now?
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I'm honestly at a bit of a loss for this which I think is why I'm struggling so much now. I obviously want to contribute in a towny way but I'm finding it so difficult to provide content that I believe will actually help.

I think Celever's analysis of the skipper stuff is something I'd point out as seeming towny. I think pointing out the skipper scumreaders and extrapolating that into the list of non-scumreaders that would theoretically contain the mafia was a fresh perspective that added good content. In terms of actually being a correct read I think it's very far from concrete though when scum can just hop on it for free.
 
Texas v Celever is wholly unexciting I think I no longer think it would get a writ of certiorari

It basically amounts to Texas being sus on Celever for self-awareness / self-centric gameplay which just feels like standard Celever gameplay to me. It could reflect badly on Texas for latching on to something that is likely NAI?
 
But I also see the POV that going into a thread where someone does that kind of thing and it's a vacuum where you don't know any history on the player, I can see why it's something to call out (just with less confidence I guess)
 
realiti: skipper is scum i'm sure of it
me: skipper is not scum this is just how they play
realiti: i'm not relying on meta here <reasons skipper is scum>
me: those reasons are all skipper town meta behavior
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realiti: skipper is so outside of his town meta which makes him scum


is literally anyone else seeing what realiti is doing i swear to god
 
a fairy said:
realiti: skipper is scum i'm sure of it
me: skipper is not scum this is just how they play
realiti: i'm not relying on meta here <reasons skipper is scum>
me: those reasons are all skipper town meta behavior
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realiti: skipper is so outside of his town meta which makes him scum


is literally anyone else seeing what realiti is doing i swear to god
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where did realiti say they werent relying on meta, wasnt that texas?

also fairy do you have any other thoughts outside of skipper’s slot and those attacking him
 
Evie said:
where did realiti say they werent relying on meta, wasnt that texas?

also fairy do you have any other thoughts outside of skipper’s slot and those attacking him
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oh that is true it was texas, regardless, realiti's flat out wrong about skipper's slot and skipper's meta LOL

i do not have very strong thoughts in most other places yet. i think the most likely outcome of flipping cel/texas/tommy is going to be t/t/t but if one of them had to be mafia it'd be tommy, i think that pulsar is probably scum based on little more than "she fucked off the moment clouds died and hasn't used this game to chitchat", the newer players (specifically phoopes shypebble miyami in my mind rn) are all not acting coached, where the fuck is airc, probably some more additional thoughts that i feel continually less confident in over time
 
You’re correct, I’m not being coached, I’m a strong independent townie who don’t need no man

Agree with joey that the discussion about skipper being maf is much longer than the content he’s actually given us. I think it does point to one or multiple people on the “shoot skipper” train being maf that are throwing him under the bus.

I forget if I already said it but also agree with Flandrs’ sudden appearance and what he said reeks of scum
 
a fairy said:
wild how airc and pulsar can have the same lack of presence this cycle but for airc it's a "whered they go" and for pulsar it's "i think they're scum"
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airc's posts before disappearing were townier than pulsar's tbf

I've got airc p high up for reasons I don't remember but I'm sure I was right in the past when I decided he's town
 
is everyone agreeing with the Flandrs scumread in response to me pointing out skipper was threadspewed and they want me to say it about Flandrs too, or is it because Flandrs is town and they wanna push a misvote

threadspew only works once scum, get in here and defend your man :blobtriumph:
 
AngryPidgeon said:
By the way, I know you said that you scumread Chemdah and thats partly (entirely?) why you didnt use your action on him. It IS important as town to trust your reads even if you dont think they will necessarily make sense to other people.

You should target Chemdah with your role anyways and here's why. Keep in mind even if you scumread someone, the chance of them being scum is still going to be like 60% or so unless you have REALLY strong reasons to see them as scum. Lets assume there is as 40% chance Chemdah is town. He is claiming a super OP role that nearly guarantees a guilty on someone. Since there is a 40% chance he's town, then there is a 40% chance you nearly secure a guilty result on scum by using your action on him. On the other hand, on the 60% chance hes scum, you still learn something by targeting him. If you target him, and he claims to be blocked (and/or receive no results) then you probably know hes lying. Sure there is a chance that you accidentally help him, but when you look at all the possible outcomes, its a net positive for town.

Im not trying to nitpick you. When you do post reads they are usually good. Even if you are ultimately wrong or change your mind, other people will help you get there by talking to you about your reads. Ive decided that Im going to engage with you until you start giving some opinions :mad:
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Nice cubone lol. They aren't usually good duh the last game was bad.
 
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