Popcorn Mafia 4 - Cycle 13 Deadline September 3 at 10PM EDT

Hi I've read everything since the last shot. Insert obligatory "haha told you I was town" comment here
bluedoom said:
Although, considering the way this game has gone, the realistic scenario is that bro forgets that this game exists and kills himself
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This came scary close to happening given how slow the Diplomacy update posts are rn

Tommy said:
He hasn’t read the game what perspective could he possibly have?
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I'll have you know I've read a collective 29.787234% of the game, thank you very much! A lot better than I was expecting before I ran the (very complex) numbers
 
StupidFlandrs48 said:
Can someone provide a brief summary of what the dead townies were yapping about
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hyhy idled

ap’s readslist is here
AngryPidgeon said:
Here is my last readslist and explanation since there is a 14/17 chance that I die right now.

If Im wrong, Im wrong and Im sorry! I had to step away cause I didnt want to be influenced by people.

I spent a lot of time during the last decision phase thinking about who might be selected. I thought Tommy and AirC were plausible choices because they are somewhat townread and could probably be persuaded to shoot in a bad direction. No offense, I think Tommy would admit that hes not the one actively leading the town in terms of reads atm. So it was mildly surprising to me that I was chosen to be the gunbearer. Sure, its possible and even certain that someone thought Im a better lategame player and they wanted me out early, which is exactly what Tommy said. But there is ALWAYS a thought process that goes into these decisions. I always try (as mafia) to do due diligence when making decisions like this.

I am forced to admit that my reads from Yesterday are probably not good because otherwise it would be risky to let me just shoot through my whole pool if its correct. Of course, there is a WIFOM chance that I psych myself out and dont shoot inside my original pool. However, I think most mafia players wouldn't be so brazen to assume that I would simply play my Uno reverse card once chosen as the gunbearer.

I strongly read into the implications of me being chosen gunbearer here. I believe mafia expected me to shoot one of DBD, BD, Phoopes, Skipper, or Joey. These are all people that I expressed scummy reads on. DBD I called a "wildcard" but even if I shot BD, he might shoot DBD. So either way I think the fact I was chosen gunbearer makes this group of people more likely town.

Celever
He is a value shot who fancies himself a hero shot. I say this without any trace of humor or irony. Celever's reads on Skipper and AirC were bogus. The Miyami/Flandrs pairing was weird. I have a hard time here because I know such things he has done are within his usual meta, but he feels more agenda'd this game with his shenanigans. I called Celever an "eventual kill lol" Yesterday which is the precise thing I would try to remove someone from the game for as scum-Celever. Tommy also seems to have an "eventually" opinion on Celever and I kind of feel like Im mindmelding a bit with Tommy re Celever but Im more at the point where "eventually" is now. Also Celever has a lot of interesting interactions with Miyami, Texas, Skipper, AirC, and Realiti. So ya this shot is absolutely value town. Texas/Celever could EASILY be S/S btw since they both know that sort of interaction tend to get townread. I also just get the general vibe that he is trying to outplay me with his string of posts today. Why is bro saying hes gonna be AFK, then hes in dropping lots of posts? Probable Scum.

Des
On paper I would say Des is also a person who benefits from making me the gunbearer. I started out hard towning Des but turned around to some extent. It could certainly be argued that mafia-Des would want to make me the gunbearer so that I'd cease forcing her to be accountable for reads. However, Des doesn't seem terribly bothered by how Ive been talking to her and I dont think shes on a bluff. I see it as more likely that a mafia team without Des would pick me to be gunbearer because I could feasibly shoot Des for hero and/or value at this point. And truthfully Ive been on a mission to townclear Des this game so I think this is one of the reads I was probably right about all along. Town.

Evie
Seems earnest enough. I do disagree with a lot of Evie's reads unfortunately. Evie and Miyami both interacted with ShyPebble early in the game after ShyPebble suggested shooting Airc. So I think Evie/Miyami are probably unpaired. I also thought Evie's reaction felt better than Miyami's. Its easy to misread skilled scum who play aggressively. Evie is probably misreading such scum players right now! Town(?)

Miyami
I think mafia actually didn't want Flandrs shot today, but its because Miyami is mafia. If Flandrs is shot, its not great if he just turns around and shoots Miyami immediately and everything about his play suggested that he might do just that. Im choosing to shoot Miyami partly because I think a mafia flip here conftowns Flandrs. I apologize to everyone cause I know this isn't a popular kill target right now. But in many ways I see Miyami guilty of what I thought phoopes was guilty of. I pump-faked interest in shooting Des today and Miyami kind of took that bait a little bit. Wanting to shoot BD/Des feels like mislynch peddling from where I stand. If you are town I strongly encourage you to shoot in AirC/Pebble/Realiti/Celever.

Tommy
When my expectations about AirC/Tommy being the gunbearer didn't materialize, I considered a hero shot on Tommy. He is, after all, the type of mafia player would take a big chance on getting me out, possibly even if my reads were good. But I really don't see Tommy as maf here. I think maybe the reason he wouldn't be chosen is if Flandrs/Miyami has mafia in it because in either case Tommy gunbearer would result in Flandrs -> Miyami shots. Town.

Fairy
Would fairy choose me to be a gunbearer? I feel like I was kind of trending upwards on Fairy as the game went on in a couple ways and maybe mafia caught onto that. That makes me town Fairy here because she could be a plausible paranoia shot for me. I like that Fairy is pushing a Realiti scum meta case. It isnt my personal experience with Realiti but I get the sense that Fairy does believe the case. Also I can kind of see Miyami pocketing Fairy to a certain extent. Town.

Texas
Has chosen to ignore a couple of jabs that I made. at him. The aggression, quick replies, and singlemindedness is usually a town thing. Definite partner equity with Celever and possibly even Realiti. Hard to read him, but I think he has been fairly honest with all of his posts. The thing is I do think he is someone who would potentially choose to make me gunbearer now since I clearly expressed some concerns about him while calling him town. Scum??

ShyPebble / AirC
I'll talk about these two together because they are kind of the lurkcore this game. I think Miyami has similar vibes but I also think Miyami has more reasons to be considered scummy than these two. I think there is a pretty good chance that one of these is mafia. Im gonna use the E word again and say we should eventually shoot one. I townlean Pebble for vibes. I think AirC is the maf here if I had to pick one. Could be both even I suppose.

Realiti
I could be off base, but after recalibrating due to becoming the gunbearer, I think Realiti could be maf here. He knows that I would consider him a hero shot at this point (and I do). Feels brazen. Feels like he's leading. But leading whom exactly? Could be full on schizo read from me but I could see Realiti / Texas / Cele being a team here. They managed to extract townread equity from the Texas/Cele conversation then move on to Skipper/Flandrs. And this group of three would know that I probably never hero shoot Texas / Realiti at min, though I think if this is the team, they miscalc'd how I see Celever. Either way, could be scum with Celever or Texas or possibly both.

Pulsar
Townie off gut. Unsure.

Skipper / Joey / Phoopes / DBD / Bluedoom
Couldnt possibly be more than 2 mafia in here ever for any reason. I'd say its most likely either 0 or 1 mafia in this group.
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miyami wanted you to shoot realiti
 
ShyPebble said:
16 people, 5 mafs, 11 villagers
1 gunbearer, 10 villagers, 5 maf
1/10/5
BS
1/9/5
BS
1/8/5
BS
1/7/5
BS
1/6/5
BS
1/5/5 - And then if we shoot bad here everything could suck?
BS - End game
GS - 1/5/4
VS - 1/4/4

So we reasonably have 6 shots if we want no wiggle room at all.
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I cant tell if this is real or fake engagement so could you give us your reads on the PL? remember that 1/3 of the game is currently mafia
 
bluedoom said:
well he just popped in, worth to see what opinions he has without people telling him whether they're right or wrong.
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Sure but that’s different than essentially asking him to rand, if he has opinions and wants to play the game great but should’ve considered that before he had to be policy shot

I do think you have a decent chance of being mafia but I still want to clear the people who don’t want to play the game they signed up for first!
 
realiti said:
IDK why yall are so fixated on who's afk and not on page 45 btw. who cares what "grouping" we are trying to shoot into let's just shoot scum
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Because they aren’t playing and will continue to be unreadable about the game and we can’t fundamentally hope to win without a massive roulette spin till then

Why are you so ok with it? Though tbh it’s a massive community problem, it’s even worse that people are doing it this game which didn’t need fill, if you don’t want to play don’t sign up you don’t have to

Now we have to shoot them all because otherwise the town that makes it to late game let the mafia blend in and become necessary endgame shots

Or do you plan to let some of these guys endgame
 
Tommy said:
Sure but that’s different than essentially asking him to rand, if he has opinions and wants to play the game great but should’ve considered that before he had to be policy shot

I do think you have a decent chance of being mafia but I still want to clear the people who don’t want to play the game they signed up for first!
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Then let him "shoot me" if you think I'm mafia instead of pushing for inactives that are coinflips from your perspective(not that he will shoot inactives anyway), if we've reached the point where over half the player list is unreadable because of activity then we were fucked regardless. Literally I gave you oog reasons for why flanders could've possibly been town so clearly this activity read isn't helping find maf.

You're probably mad that I'm throwing caution to the wind about being shot but only mafia has a reason to want to fully control where the vig goes(and tbh based on the way the active people have played I would fully vig celever here for being so conscious about being shot past a point where it doesn't make sense for a townie to behave)

I think this is my roundabout way of saying that its sus that you're lining up a vig pool without even giving flanders a chance to read in.
Tommy said:
Because they aren’t playing and will continue to be unreadable about the game and we can’t fundamentally hope to win without a massive roulette spin till then

Why are you so ok with it? Though tbh it’s a massive community problem, it’s even worse that people are doing it this game which didn’t need fill, if you don’t want to play don’t sign up you don’t have to

Now we have to shoot them all because otherwise the town that makes it to late game let the mafia blend in and become necessary endgame shots

Or do you plan to let some of these guys endgame
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blind shooting inactives is just as bad as blind shooting people who are active for "being active". Mafia don't have to put in any effort to justify their scumread of an inactive, you know this. What is your plan to make the unreadable people readable?
 
bluedoom said:
Then let him "shoot me" if you think I'm mafia instead of pushing for inactives that are coinflips from your perspective(not that he will shoot inactives anyway), if we've reached the point where over half the player list is unreadable because of activity then we were fucked regardless. Literally I gave you oog reasons for why flanders could've possibly been town so clearly this activity read isn't helping find maf.

You're probably mad that I'm throwing caution to the wind about being shot but only mafia has a reason to want to fully control where the vig goes(and tbh based on the way the active people have played I would fully vig celever here for being so conscious about being shot past a point where it doesn't make sense for a townie to behave)

I think this is my roundabout way of saying that its sus that you're lining up a vig pool without even giving flanders a chance to read in.

blind shooting inactives is just as bad as blind shooting people who are active for "being active". Mafia don't have to put in any effort to justify their scumread of an inactive, you know this. What is your plan to make the unreadable people readable?
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Ok you can think it’s sus whatever, but like the guy hasn’t read the game and presumably has no intention to do so

I don’t really believe you think just because one of them flipped town that speaks for them all, obviously if they are all town then yes we lost the game at rand, but that’s outside my control

Odds are one of the afk players (at least) is mafia and we are gonna have to blast through them one by one to find out since unlike active players we can’t actually read them to see if they are towny

It’s not really a gotcha to say there’s town in the afks, of course there is, they are rand alignment so 70 percent should approx be town but we have to blast through them anyways since mafia only need one alive to win, it’s shit and I’m tilted but this is the game that these players have gifted us - it sucks though

Sure you can try kill inactive and find the mafia but we are going to get some wrong and the ones we get wrong are going to be worse than the ones we get right if we blast the precious few active players now

Tbh I think the game is a bit doomed at this point anyways, we should’ve had subs out on the inactive slots by now because inactivity spreads and even I’m struggling to care to post at this point and I don’t blame others but the originals are completely unreadable and if we have to salvage the game it must start with them dying to try make people care again and be able to actually interact at all
 
The to the guys who log on and say “sorry I’m busy I’ll post tomorrow” it’s like ok fine if something legit spontaneous/emergency is happening you don’t have time fine

But like that doesn’t help us, you did sign up to the game and you have made it unplayable for everyone else
 
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