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Popcorn Mafia 4 - Game Over, Village Wins

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Evie said:
also what do you mean zero re-eval, you and tommy were two of my top townreads at a point in the game and now i think youre the most likely scumteam, if thats not re-eval i dont know what is.

i've considered all the potential scumteams (including tommy phoopes i just didnt post about it), im not sure what there is to tinfoil. sorry for being in control of my emotions i guess?
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I mean if the re-eval happened outside of the thread that's why I thought there was zero re-eval

not to go all maths teacher but it's important to show your working :wo:
 
tbc I agree with Tommy that phoopes is the shot today but Tommy saying it makes it scuffed lol

the likelier remaining scumteams imo are Evie/phoopes or Tommy/phoopes in that order and phoopes is in both of them. if I had the gun I would probably shoot phoopes after loads of tinfoil yk
 
Celever said:
what's the practical difference between "Celever was opportunistic because he was scumreading everyone!" and "Celever is scum because he didn't have any hard townreads"?
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this is just not what i said at all, i said you were opportunistic because you were very quick to jump on the fact that the shot should be me or phoopes when you had said you townlean me and phoopes before, and you paired me with tommy and now you think thats the least likely pairing? its just really inconsistent in a way that doesnt feel from a town POV
 
Evie said:
this is just not what i said at all, i said you were opportunistic because you were very quick to jump on the fact that the shot should be me or phoopes when you had said you townlean me and phoopes before, and you paired me with tommy and now you think thats the least likely pairing? its just really inconsistent in a way that doesnt feel from a town POV
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That’s what re-eval is though and that’s why I can’t believe that what you’re saying comes from a town pov especially since you claimed to re-eval yourself

You can’t defend yourself by saying “I re-evaled! I used to townread you and Tommy now I think you’re scum!” with one hand and also say “Celever’s scum because he used to townread me and phoopes but then he scumreads us now” with the other hand.

That would be us doing the same thing, the difference being I arrived there talking in thread and solving through the processes, whereas you just kinda silently switched up your reads citing invisible reasoning done elsewhere
 
in regards to a tommy/phoopes scumteam my conclusion that theres not really that much pairing them or unpairing them, except for the fact that tommy is advocating for a phoopes shot now so that changes things

i didnt post about it cause i was in a rush and it was about rand chance that they were paired in my mind
 
Evie said:
in regards to a tommy/phoopes scumteam my conclusion that theres not really that much pairing them or unpairing them, except for the fact that tommy is advocating for a phoopes shot now so that changes things

i didnt post about it cause i was in a rush and it was about rand chance that they were paired in my mind
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They agreed all game on everything ?_?
 
You can make the case that it’s T/S or S/S or T/T based on micro analysis but “nothing is pairing or unpairing between them” is definitely incorrect
 
Celever said:
You can’t defend yourself by saying “I re-evaled! I used to townread you and Tommy now I think you’re scum!” with one hand and also say “Celever’s scum because he used to townread me and phoopes but then he scumreads us now” with the other hand.
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theres a key difference in that one has happened over the course of the game and one happened after you learned that me and phoopes were on the chopping block
 
really the main thing is not that you're changing your opinion, its that you went from "i townlean phoopes and evie" to "they're scum" right after pebble posted that we were going to be shot without either of us saying anything
 
you could make the exact same accusation regardless of what my solve was, if I hard sent a Tommy / Texas scumteam you'd be saying something about how I was planning for the mid-term and priming for a push on the two towniest players in the game or something

the reality is the players left remaining all had towny tone and content over the game and so everyone is now building worlds where past townreads are scum

it's nonsense for that to only be scummy when I do it lol
 
i also think agreeing with someone isnt necessarily pairing, its not like scumbuds gain anything from agreeing with each other (i could be missing something though so im open to being wrong on this)
 
Evie said:
really the main thing is not that you're changing your opinion, its that you went from "i townlean phoopes and evie" to "they're scum" right after pebble posted that we were going to be shot without either of us saying anything
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I was reading back to see if this is valid solving and icl not really lol

right before pebble made the post I adv him that I don't think DBD is the strategically right shot that day, and also I argued against Tommy/Texas scumteam

it was still early LYLO solving my analysis wasn't very developed yet but if you're analysing the content it's pretty clear that there wasn't some kind of hard switch I'd already boiled it down to at least one of you being scum
 
and since 3 scum were still alive, thinking DBD isn't the right strategic shot choice that day (which I kinda stand by the logic of it but scum WIFOMed me ig) and thinking Tommy/Texas aren't S/S meant that I basically pre-empted Pebble's stated PoE lol
 
Celever said:
you could make the exact same accusation regardless of what my solve was, if I hard sent a Tommy / Texas scumteam you'd be saying something about how I was planning for the mid-term and priming for a push on the two towniest players in the game or something

the reality is the players left remaining all had towny tone and content over the game and so everyone is now building worlds where past townreads are scum

it's nonsense for that to only be scummy when I do it lol
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yes you can make an argument that you're scum whoever you push, but that disregards the context of what is happening in the rest of the game.

if you were jumping on pebble saying they were gonna shoot tommy or texas then it would be the same thing
 
Evie said:
yes you can make an argument that you're scum whoever you push, but that disregards the context of what is happening in the rest of the game.

if you were jumping on pebble saying they were gonna shoot tommy or texas then it would be the same thing
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yeah I mean, read back and you'll just see that no jumping occurred lol

frankly it was possible that I did "jump" on it, or it would reasonably look like I did, bc I didn't remember at what stage of analysis I was at when Pebble posted that, but now you've made me read back I can say confidently that what you're saying is ahistorical

so yeah prob you're just scum
 
i am reading back more thoroughly because i dont remember a lot of what youre saying, when did you say tommy/texas wasnt s/s? maybe im missing something but it seems like the opposite
Celever said:
I feel like my heart is saying just shoot within me/tommy/texas but maybe it's biased bc I think the chance of both of them being scum is above rand lol

so maybe this isn't the cool laid back supportive strategy posting I'm genuinely intending it to be LMFAO

Tommy/phoopes/Texas feels like such a real solve though

I could def see scumbud Texas rolling back on the frequency of his content a bit once the shoot afks hegemony won out carried by his buds bc he's the kind of player who would value proper progression a lot and there's little way for him to naturally switch up his gameview to support shooting exclusively afks

but that's also not really evidence that Texas is a scumbud bc I rolled back too when the hegemony took over and I'm increasingly understanding it's bc it sucked for WIM lol
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Tommy said:
If there’s 1-2 mafia in me and Texas, and dbd is a 50/50 then

You’re saying at best Evie and phoopes is a coin flip and at worst the least odds of flipping mafia by your reads

It doesn’t feel like you’re actually trying to solve and just bouncing around saying anyone can be mafia at this point
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oh it looks like tommy came to the same conclusion as me yesterday, its sort of what i mean when i say you're being opportunistic
 
Evie said:
i am reading back more thoroughly because i dont remember a lot of what youre saying, when did you say tommy/texas wasnt s/s? maybe im missing something but it seems like the opposite
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Texas Cloverleaf said:
This is nonsensical from your POV, your implied team is Tommy+Evie+Phoopes
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Celever said:
well I do think Tommy + Phoopes have a massive amount of scumbud eq, it's slightly more from Tommy's side but phoopes has largely agreed with Tommy the entire game while Tommy's been pushing his agenda

the last slot is harder to solve, I could see any of DBD / Evie / yourself in there
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Celever said:
independently I still townlean phoopes tbc if they are scum they've done very well, but we're down to the player size where interaction reads are important and Tommy / phoopes make a lot of sense as a pair
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tbf I misread the post you quoted lmao I thought I was saying it was unpaired I'm at work

I arrived there after pebble's post but you'd have to critique the process involved in it, and it's also very clear on these posts that I was analysing that team (i.e. Texas says would be Evie + phoopes and my response is "maybe, for sure phoopes!")

there's just not this wild flip of the switch that you're arguing for
 
Evie said:
oh it looks like tommy came to the same conclusion as me yesterday, its sort of what i mean when i say you're being opportunistic
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as did phoopes so at least one scum is agreeing with you. if you're town I know that two scum are agreeing with you lol
 
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