Popcorn Mafia 4 - Game Over, Village Wins

[Celever]

Tommy didn't use the opportunistic phrasing but phoopes did specifically say opportunistic

 

[Evie]

Tommy didn't use the opportunistic phrasing but phoopes did specifically say opportunistic

okay this is just straight up a lie i checked all of their posts and they have not said opportunistic once

 

[Evie]

im not even seeing where phoopes came to a similar conclusion

 

[Celever]

Confidence rankings from town to maf:

1. phoopes
2. Texas
(slight gap)
3. Tommy
(sizable gap)
4. Evie
(large gap)
5. DBD
6. Celever

If Texas is maf I will eat my hat. I feel like him and Tommy all game have done a lot in town’s favor, whereas Evie and DBD have hung back a bit. Celever: the last few pages reek of scum desperation to me, I especially don’t like the post from a few pages ago where you were asked for your town reads and essentially said “no one.” Very noncommittal… I feel like at this point in the game you have to make decisions and stick with them. That’s the top reason why you’re my choice for the shot today

oh I was referring to this ok he didnt say opportunistic LOL

imagine if I had a photographic memory that'd be wild

 

[Celever]

but he did agree with you entirely

 

[Celever]

in fact p sure that's the very same post Tommy was replying to that phoopes is referring to there, another case of them agreeing with each other as well

 

[Evie]

as did phoopes so at least one scum is agreeing with you. if you're town I know that two scum are agreeing with you lol

i mean scum was pretty free to distance themselves from you yesterday, as at least one scum pretty clearly did with dbd (i think tommy wanted dbd shot, correct me if im wrong)

 

[Celever]

Oh yeah also


Like I said Evie is on my proposed scum team just least sure (more sure of you and DBD).

Also imagine if when it was in theory reduced to me or Evie I came out guns blazing saying that they’re scum. I’d be accused of OMGUS (essentially, I know it’s not the exact definition) because that would contradict what I had already been saying, which is that Texas and Tommy are town. Since I know I’m town, and I have strong belief in Texas and Tommy, that leaves the other three as scum by default. But I’m more confident in Texas’ reads than I am in almost anything else which is why I’m trying to convince Pebble to shot you or DBD.

this argument in particular is very similar to what you've been saying today Evie

 

[Celever]

i mean scum was pretty free to distance themselves from you yesterday, as at least one scum pretty clearly did with dbd (i think tommy wanted dbd shot, correct me if im wrong)

right but distancing from both would be outright bad strategy

trying to win the 1v1 at F3 is not a risk any scumteam should be willing to take, and nobody was so boxed in that it would be the optimal route for their game to do that

if you put yourself into the PoV of each player and imagine yourself as scum, none of them would go with bussing BOTH as the right strategy

 

[Celever]

right but distancing from both would be outright bad strategy

trying to win the 1v1 at F3 is not a risk any scumteam should be willing to take, and nobody was so boxed in that it would be the optimal route for their game to do that

if you put yourself into the PoV of each player and imagine yourself as scum, none of them would go with bussing BOTH as the right strategy

tbf except Texas it could potentially make sense for Texas because he was boxed in

but you (pl -1) gave him the gun so we don't have to tinfoil that lol

 

[Evie]

i think im more sold on you/phoopes than tommy/phoopes because tommy doesn’t need to bus phoopes, while you can bus phoopes more freely because texas is much less likely to sheep your shot than tommy’s

 

[Evie]

right but distancing from both would be outright bad strategy

trying to win the 1v1 at F3 is not a risk any scumteam should be willing to take, and nobody was so boxed in that it would be the optimal route for their game to do that

if you put yourself into the PoV of each player and imagine yourself as scum, none of them would go with bussing BOTH as the right strategy

this is true if you assume bussing both will lead to both getting shot but it clearly hasnt

 

[Celever]

this is true if you assume bussing both will lead to both getting shot but it clearly hasnt

by far the likeliest thing is that it will lol

one was already shot and no other shots have been taken, meanwhile most of the game wants to shoot me (most of the game is also scum but who knows if Texas pulls through)

 

[Celever]

i think im more sold on you/phoopes than tommy/phoopes because tommy doesn’t need to bus phoopes, while you can bus phoopes more freely because texas is much less likely to sheep your shot than tommy’s

and this is funny bc I think the opposite

Tommy has a much higher chance of winning that F3 1v1 than phoopes does no matter who he's up against. Maybe I would let Tommy do it as his scumbud because there's some strategic sense there, but based on gamestate and positioning you best believe I'd make phoopes re-strategise if he proposed trying to beat Tommy in the endgame 1v1 lol

 

[Celever]

oh I read the post again

is your solve me/phoopes or tommy/phoopes?? then why are you advocating to shoot me and not phoopes

 

[Evie]

oh I read the post again

is your solve me/phoopes or tommy/phoopes?? then why are you advocating to shoot me and not phoopes

this is not my solve, i was looking at potential phoopes pairings assuming scum!phoopes, probably should’ve clarified that mb

 

[Evie]

i think i might’ve worded it weirdly but my point was that you can advocate for a phoopes shot without it having too much influence on texas’ shot while still distancing yourself from phooped

 

[Celever]

tbc I don't think that's a wrong opinion I think there's a decent amount across the game that would implicate a me/phoopes scumteam

I think there's a lot more that implicates Tommy/phoopes (Tommy's relationship with phoopes is mine except phoopes has also been defending and agreeing with Tommy way more than me) and it fits the playstyle where scum!Tommy would be a thread controlly powerwolf for his bud to back up his opinions

but

 

[Celever]

i think i might’ve worded it weirdly but my point was that you can advocate for a phoopes shot without it having too much influence on texas’ shot while still distancing yourself from phooped

this is again something that could apply to anyone though

swap phoopes for Tommy in that sentence and it's literally the same meaning

 

[Celever]

that's not an assessment of my alignment it's just of how Texas feels about me

 

[Evie]

that's not an assessment of my alignment it's just of how Texas feels about me

how texas feels about you will affect how you play as each alignment

 

[Evie]

if texas thought you were town then he would be much more likely to listen to you when you say shoot phoopes

 

[Evie]

so you would be less likely to say shoot phoopes if you were a scumteam

 

[Evie]

i can see a tommy/phoopes angle where tommy says shoot phoopes knowing that at least one of us was also gonna say shoot phoopes and that would make phoopes seem more towny? But idk i just dont think tommy does that it they’re scumbuds

not taking it off the table it just seems a bit weird

 

[Celever]

I mean you could be correct about that but it's kind of a every shape goes in the square hole situation right

with so few players remaining I either scumread phoopes, or my solve is exactly you/Tommy

and if you're town you'd know that's wrong so how does me scumreading phoops (something you know instead may be right) make me scum