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[Mova]

Honestly as someone who has a somewhat fresh memory of Dressrosa, Whole Cake, and Wano, Sugar deserved much more confinement in Impel Down than even Doffy himself. She's the reason Doffy was able to get what he wanted for ten years before the timeskip. If anything, Trebol practically groomed him into being much more bitter into growing the opposite way from Corazon.

To clarify, I mean objective moral weight. I am aware the WG does not have any bearing.

 

[Chou Toshio]

Honestly as someone who has a somewhat fresh memory of Dressrosa, Whole Cake, and Wano, Sugar deserved much more confinement in Impel Down than even Doffy himself. She's the reason Doffy was able to get what he wanted for ten years before the timeskip. If anything, Trebol practically groomed him into being much more bitter into growing the opposite way from Corazon.

We talking about objective moral weight or WG perspective? Obviously WG justice system in my mind has no bearing at all on actual justice.

 

[Coronis]

Me consuming new OP chapters

Spoiler

 

[Laurel]

xebec is so heat oml

 

[Local Dog]

all in all, of all the things I expected of Rocks, I really did not expect the man to actually be a good guy

 

[Coronis]

all in all, of all the things I expected of Rocks, I really did not expect the man to actually be a good guy

I never expected him to be anything else tbh… how many flashback only characters are actually evil?

 

[Local Dog]

I never expected him to be anything else tbh… how many flashback only characters are actually evil?

Well there's Spandam's dad. But you're right though

I thought he was evil because there had to be a good reason for Garp and Roger to team up and the easiest explanation would be for Rocks to be evil. Also the way the Rocks crew was described made me believe that. And he was set up as a equivalent to Teach, and Teach is evil

The fact that several Rocks crew members were good people was a very clear sign in retrospect

 

[Mova]

Crack theory, but what if Imu is the only actually evil (major) character by the end of One Piece's ending? Everyone else, even Teach, Doflamingo, Lucci, and other major opponents, even if they don't necessarily start to like Luffy, could turn out to be "Not That Bad(TM)" for having a change of interest after they were defeated, no matter how many people they enabled the deaths of. It's kind of a sad way to redeem antagonists who haven't really earned redemption, but I wouldn't doubt it knowing the Power of "Allyship".

Oda mentioned somewhere he wanted to throw a big party ending like he often does at the end of most major arcs, so maybe those who were defeated are still invited but have to pull more weight in setting up to get the food they are hoping for. This could mean "everyone but the World Nobles" but still include major player WG employees, the Marines, and other pirate crews.

 

[Oglemi]

Crack theory, but what if Imu is the only actually evil (major) character by the end of One Piece's ending? Everyone else, even Teach, Doflamingo, Lucci, and other major opponents, even if they don't necessarily start to like Luffy, could turn out to be "Not That Bad(TM)" for having a change of interest after they were defeated, no matter how many people they enabled the deaths of. It's kind of a sad way to redeem antagonists who haven't really earned redemption, but I wouldn't doubt it knowing the Power of "Allyship".

Oda mentioned somewhere he wanted to throw a big party ending like he often does at the end of most major arcs, so maybe those who were defeated are still invited but have to pull more weight in setting up to get the food they are hoping for. This could mean "everyone but the World Nobles" but still include major player WG employees, the Marines, and other pirate crews.

You're probably not too far off tbh. It's pretty well established at this point that Luffy's true power is his insane infectious charisma and ability to win people over. Luffy insists that he's selfish and wants the One Piece for himself, but yet he constantly fights for others.. as long as he gets the final blow and the ending is a true 1v1 with him and Imu (or whomever above Imu) I can see him fighting the final war with literally all and anybody else.

I've been saying something similar among my friends that the ending is going to be a big clash of "the Straw Hats (et al.)" and "the enemy", and I can see (et al.) just being basically everyone up to this point in the story.

 

[SparksBlade]

Rocks was not a good guy he was just not a One Piece Villain. He didn't do any good deeds, beat up a child to meet his dad from whom he needs a favor, pirates were not and are not "good guys". Enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your good guy friend.

He might seem better than people thought, but how bad were you really thinking he'll be when all we knew was "he crashed the celestial dragons' genocide party".

Everyone else, even Teach, Doflamingo, Lucci, and other major opponents, even if they don't necessarily start to like Luffy, could turn out to be "Not That Bad(TM)" for having a change of interest after they were defeated, no matter how many people they enabled the deaths of.

 

[Mova]

I did explicitly call it a crack theory for a reason. The whole shtick is that it was a stretch in more ways than one (hehe). The examples I brought up were not meant to be decent people, just lesser of several evils, regardless of which faction they belong to. Them helping crash out the CDs' genocide party sounded funny in a lighthearted way, even if it is for their own reasons.