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Resource SV PU Viability Rankings

Melons-N-Soda said:
Curious as to the rise of :passimian: tbh. For the longest time it was outclassed by Hecidueye and Fire Tauros as Scarf Fighters but I wonder what changed to see it higher up in viability.
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well, the biggest answer to this is just that pokemon like hecid, redbull, and pawmot don't run scarf often anymore, hecid has been favoring SD sets for a while now, pawmot often doesn't want to be locked into doubleshock and can honestly provide better speed control with LO iron fist mach punch, and scarf redbull has always been kinda fraudulent. passimian is good though! one big thing that helps it is having access to knock off and u-turn while having a better speed tier than hecid, and access to defiant is very nice to keep intimidate, webs, and parting shot from totally ruining your day
 
gulch said:
well, the biggest answer to this is just that pokemon like hecid, redbull, and pawmot don't run scarf often anymore, hecid has been favoring SD sets for a while now, pawmot often doesn't want to be locked into doubleshock and can honestly provide better speed control with LO iron fist mach punch, and scarf redbull has always been kinda fraudulent. passimian is good though! one big thing that helps it is having access to knock off and u-turn while having a better speed tier than hecid, and access to defiant is very nice to keep intimidate, webs, and parting shot from totally ruining your day
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just want to add that with bellibolt being stolen helped carve out a better niche for basically all faster physical pivots, pass fits pretty decent as a alternative to guno as a defog punisher on spikes now with no fear of being completely fucked by a random static proc. not a spikes exclusive mon and has its benefits outside of the playstyle but a lot of the early builds for it were as a physical replacement to guno
 
Ok rq nom bc this is kinda absurd.
:bombirdier: A- -> A+
:skuntank: A -> A-
tbh this was a long time coming but bombirdier is just undeniably better atp. Whether ur running scarf or rocks or ko utility its such a great mon and is so splashable, meanwhile skunk has kinda fallen off a cliff? With rhydon being (arguably) the best and most used mon in the tier (based on PUPL usage), skunk is not gonna do well. And sure that hurts bombirdier kinda? But with bombirdier you just click pshot/uturn on rhydon. The main thing backing this up tho is the PUPL use/win rate stats.

Bombirdier is at a 9.8% use rate with a 62.5% win rate, one of the highest of all mons in the top 20
Skuntank is it at a 9.4% use rate with a 34.8% win rate, the lowest wr of any mon in the top 25.

This means that bombirdier wins nearly 2/3rds of all games its in, whilst skuntank barely wins a third of them.
Tbh in the future i could see skuntank dropping even further but for now this is where i think id place them
 
:hitmontop: UR --> C+

I believe Hitmontop deserves to be ranked purely because of how disgusting Tera Ice Triple Axel is. It can find a slot on bulky offense teams that don't necessarily rely on setup sweepers. Assault Vest and Choice Band are probably its best items, AV also lets it use hazard removal much more effectively. But Technician Triple Axel is an 180 BP move before STAB and potentially a CB boost.

Choice Band Hitmontop almost OHKOes max/max Galarian Slowbro ffs. Slightly outdamages Band Emboar's Reckless Flare Blitz, which is no joke either. And like Emboar, it also has priority, but doesn't need to rely on Sucker Punch.

Hitmontop is a slow and not that bulky shitmon and it probably consumes a lot of resources for the average team to consider, but I'm confident it deserves a place on the rankings.

edit: And of course Ambipom, but that thing drops to a breeze whereas av top actually survives pretty well on double hazard removal teams so i could see it having another niche there.
 
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Emergency shitmon nomming session!!

:clawitzer: UR -> C+
Imo, clawitzer currently has a place in the sv pu metagame due to hitting extremely hard and getting strong and powerful coverage options such as dark pulse, aura sphere, dragon pulse and uturn. With its base 120 spatk its killing every mon in its path which isnt a special wall.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Mega Launcher Clawitzer Dark Pulse vs. 212 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Slowbro-Galar: 364-430 (94.7 - 111.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Mega Launcher Clawitzer Water Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Florges: 157-186 (52.8 - 62.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock (florges does not reliably switch into this mon)
252+ SpA Choice Specs Mega Launcher Clawitzer Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Goodra: 304-358 (94.7 - 111.5%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Mega Launcher Clawitzer Dragon Pulse vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Milotic: 178-210 (45.1 - 53.2%) -- 34.8% chance to 2HKO (milo is doing less than 20% back btw)
252+ SpA Choice Specs Mega Launcher Clawitzer Water Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Skuntank: 340-402 (97.9 - 115.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Mega Launcher Clawitzer Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Houndstone: 416-490 (119.5 - 140.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Mega Launcher Clawitzer Water Pulse vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Alcremie: 195-229 (58.3 - 68.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Mega Launcher Clawitzer Dark Pulse vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Articuno-Galar: 408-480 (106.5 - 125.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Mega Launcher Clawitzer Water Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Bombirdier: 262-309 (93.2 - 109.9%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Mega Launcher Tera Dragon Clawitzer Dragon Pulse vs. 248 HP / 56 SpD Cramorant: 318-375 (92.7 - 109.3%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Mega Launcher Tera Dragon Clawitzer Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 306-360 (95.3 - 112.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
It hits super hard, and has insane coverage, so why am i only nomming it to C+?
Well its like, really slow. Like too slow to run scarf effectively. Its bulk isnt too great so its not often living more than one or two hits, and it just crumbles to electrics (unless theyre switching in on it). What really makes clawitzer shine is that nothing is safe to switch in to it and you need to play extremely carefully if you see your opponent having one.

On another note, clawitzer also won a few PUPL games which can help justify these claims. Even if my argument hasnt convinced you, i do hope youll give it a try because its a very fun mon to use!
 
:Venusaur: A- to C+

This Pokemon is just bad, like Amoonguss is here, too fires in the Tier outspeed it... Sun isn't so popular and is it's only niche... C+ or C are better for him, say hello to Coalossal, my flower.

Edit: He is also coing in ZU.

Coalossal no but please do it ZU.
 
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PorygonBG said:
:Venusaur: A- to C+

This Pokemon is just bad, like Amoonguss is here, too fires in the Tier outspeed it... Sun isn't so popular and is it's only niche... C+ or C are better for him, say hello to Coalossal, my flower.

Edit: He is also coing in ZU.

Coalossal no but please do it ZU.
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hi, im just gonna completely disagree with this if thats fine.

Venusaur and Amoonguss fill completely different roles on different types of teams. Venu is mainly a mon used on Offense/BO teams, whilst amoonguss is primarily used on balance, and whatever remnants of semi-stall in this tier that there are.

On another note, these mons fill insanely different roles. Venu is an offensive breaker and occasionally a self-sun sweeper (with niche scarf and specs sets that can catch people off-guard). Meanwhile, Amoonguss is a regenerator wall which spams para/tox. Not even similar mons. The only thing that links them together is their typing which does not matter because they arent competing for any roles.

Whilst you could argue that maybe a drop to B+ is justified, it would be nothing to do with amoonguss.

PS: venu moving to ZU literally does not affect its viability whatsoever.
 
Ok cool to know your opinion. But in my side, Amoonguss does EVERYTHING better than him when it comes to being defensive. He has Regenerator, what more could you ask for in a defensive Pokemon.
The only difference is that he can knock out, but he will be replaced a lot by EP to hit Glowbro more effectively. Offensivelly it's OK but like, sun is niche.
Just that.

Amoonguss can also fulfill these conditions in BO he can serve as an antipivot with the Eject Button

Venusaur ist just dropping bcs he is litteraly used for sun.

PS: Don't block me, please! scared
 
PorygonBG said:
Ok cool to know your opinion. But in my side, Amoonguss does EVERYTHING better than him when it comes to being defensive. He has Regenerator, what more could you ask for in a defensive Pokemon.
The only difference is that he can knock out, but he will be replaced a lot by EP to hit Glowbro more effectively. Offensivelly it's OK but like, sun is niche.
Just that.

Amoonguss can also fulfill these conditions in BO he can serve as an antipivot with the Eject Button

Venusaur ist just dropping bcs he is litteraly used for sun.

PS: Don't block me, please! scared
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Again, venu is an OFFENSIVE mon, not defensive. They fill completely different roles

PS: idk where you got the notion id block you
 
where will :Heracross: and :Ninetales-Alola: rank?

How will the meta adapt to those two dropping and :Articuno-Galar:, :Slowbro-Galar:, :Wo-Chien: and :Houndstone: rising?
Why did :Mismagius: rise?
How does :Coalossal: keep being in the tier despite being bad?
Why is terrain so good‽
 
cat111ca said:
where will :Heracross: and :Ninetales-Alola: rank?

How will the meta adapt to those two dropping and :Articuno-Galar:, :Slowbro-Galar:, :Wo-Chien: and :Houndstone: rising?
Why did :Mismagius: rise?
How does :Coalossal: keep being in the tier despite being bad?
Why is terrain so good‽
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How many times have you deleted and resent this lmao.

At a first glance, both hera and a9 will prolly be in the A-ish range?

We currently cant say how the meta will adapt but imo, we might see a rise in uxie and amoonguss as alot of their competition is gone.

Mismagius rose just because ladder wanted it to. Thats literally it. Oh and same with coalossal

Terrain is not “so good”
 
Oofhixd said:
How many times have you deleted and resent this lmao.

At a first glance, both hera and a9 will prolly be in the A-ish range?

We currently cant say how the meta will adapt but imo, we might see a rise in uxie and amoonguss as alot of their competition is gone.

Mismagius rose just because ladder wanted it to. Thats literally it. Oh and same with coalossal

Terrain is not “so good”
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:shaymin: B ---> C+
If you thought Stone Edge was the worst move in the game, well, meet Seed Flare. It misses way more often than it should and is basically a worse acid spray. 120 BP, 40% chance of halving opp's special defense, and like 20% accuracy. It's sad because Shaymin has strong base stats across the board, and can even innovate with a Rocky Helmet set to punish the likes of Ambipom, but otherwise it competes with many strong Grass-types with setup moves, pivoting, or more support moves, and its coverage is honestly dogshit besides Earth Power. I'm much of a Shaymin shill and think it has potential, maybe some new Tera types + Tera Blast, but I believe Shaymin should be dropped overall because on many team structures I feel like you can slot in specialized mons like Rotom-C, Whimsicott, and Swords Dance Virizion. And Seed Flare.... Worst move of all time, misses when you need it the most, which is a strong piece of evidence Shaymin can only be used like a secondary or last resort breaker in many circumstances... for me this also means Specs/Scarf is pretty much a no-no on this mon, so you're left with the likes of HDB, Rocky Helmet, AV (?), and maybe Life Orb as items to use on it.

Oh, and :heracross: NEW ---> S nvm
 
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The post-shifts Viability Rankings update is in! This was once again a full vote on every ranked pokemon, and we're hoping the tier gets stabilised enough to work with nominations again soon. The votes can be found here. The results are as follows:

NEW

:Ninetales-Alola: Ninetales-A -> A+
:Braviary: Braviary -> C+

RISES

:Salazzle: Salazzle A+ -> S

:Amoonguss: Amoonguss A- -> A
:Bombirdier: Bombirdier A- -> A
:Dudunsparce: Dudunsparce A- -> A
:Frosmoth: Frosmoth A- -> A
:Goodra: Goodra A- -> A
:Qwilfish-Hisui: Qwilfish-H A- -> A

:Hariyama: Hariyama B+ -> A-
:Hoopa: Hoopa B+ -> A-

:Qwilfish: Qwilfish B -> B+

:Orthworm: Orthworm B- -> B

:Emboar: Emboar C+ -> B-
:Whimsicott: Whimsicott C+ -> B-

:Snorlax: Snorlax C -> C+
:Tauros: Tauros C -> C+

DROPS

:Arcanine: Arcanine A -> A-
:Decidueye-Hisui: Decidueye-H A -> A-
:Skuntank: Skuntank A -> B+

:Venusaur: Venusaur A- -> B+

:Golurk: Golurk B+ -> B
:Jolteon: Jolteon B+ -> B

:Brute Bonnet: Brute Bonnet B -> B-
:Magneton: Magneton B -> B-
:Rotom-Mow: Rotom-C B -> B-

:Oricorio-Pau: Oricorio-P B- -> C+
:Sceptile: Sceptile B- -> C+

:Mesprit: Mesprit C+ -> C

:Piloswine: Piloswine C -> UR
:Regirock: Regirock C -> UR
 
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Melons-N-Soda said:
Only wondering about these two. Lax rising alongside Dudun has me curious as largely CurseLax has been outclassed by Coil Dudun for the most part so I wonder what caused it to rise.
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I would say the C tier is the vaguest tier right now, but Snorlax is definitely improving with good matchups into a lot of the special attackers in the tier like Salazzle, Rotom-Heat (when Curse), Florges (gotta dodge trick), Frosmoth, Espeon etc.

Tauros the main thing that seems to improve it right now is the speed tier at 110, being able to outspeed and OHKO certain crucial offensive mons in the tier especially Ninetales-Alola in Snow which is difficult to do (requires Iron Head btw). Also has nice things like being able to survive a Pawmot Iron Fist LO boosted Mach Punch and guaranteed OHKO it.
 
You cannot just say that Heracross was banned and not have an announcement anywhere in the forums, not everyone wants to join the discord server for finding crucial info about the tier.
 
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