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Open Setup Classic Mafia - Game Thread
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Celever ok so here’s my thing
I’m not trying to flame and I don’t want to but I just want it to be clear because ur feels like you guys are setting up for a kingmaker and going to be blindsided that you’re going to auto lose, here’s why
I think you know me as a player and this is going to tap into org perspective a bit but for me I really value people who are strong and play to win on their own agency, they don’t like happen to end up in it, that’s why going for a kingmaker over a skill based fair play endgame to me is something I personally don’t approve of, if you choose then that’s fine that’s your call but it will effect everyone’s view on how mafia have played
Again I’m not trying to be toxic or mean just clear but here’s like your conception right
You haven’t really helped us which is of course not expected you are mafia, even today you haven’t really told us anything sure you’ve been open and it’s fun(ny) but in real terms you haven’t given us anything
If you want town to ever consider kingmake for you, you have to ask on what actual basis are we doing so, we currently have you or a werewolf
Here’s why I want to vote for the werewolf over you guys if it came to it
1) werewolf has town sided as much as reasonably possible
2) the werewolf by the time we get to that point will have played optimally (if they choose to do so) to get a win with as much agency as possible
3) werewolf did not turn down a chance to win the game with skill for a small chance with luck
I kind of understand your concerns with the hook but ultimately like the odds of 1 mafia in a game with 4 players is very high - there’s a lot of confusion and I actually with all my heart believe the chance I’ve offered you guys, a competitive endgame more often than not ends in mafia win
So like yes there is a fear of what if you are caught but any of 5 players can be voted and you essentially get to pick which 3 make it assuming you don’t get super unlucky with the hook
But instead of a more likely mafia win you want us, the town you are unwilling to go head to head with as we are willing to bet the game so that we can have agency and have a real win, to kingmake for you - it makes no sense why after that we would hand you a free diplomatic win, even if it wasn’t blackmail and this was never mentioned why in that moment would town ever let mafia get rewarded
So here’s the thing then, you can even give the werewolf and have a chance at probably winning the game, being actually favourites in a skill based real ending, or you can watch town make a guess and if they miss werewolf then you are essentially deciding werewolf probably wins because you are afraid of playing town in an actual! Game of mafia
And maybe this is blackmail but I feel like this is all going to be brought up at 2-1-1 anyways, so it might as well be now before you doom both of our alignments
I’m not trying to flame and I don’t want to but I just want it to be clear because ur feels like you guys are setting up for a kingmaker and going to be blindsided that you’re going to auto lose, here’s why
I think you know me as a player and this is going to tap into org perspective a bit but for me I really value people who are strong and play to win on their own agency, they don’t like happen to end up in it, that’s why going for a kingmaker over a skill based fair play endgame to me is something I personally don’t approve of, if you choose then that’s fine that’s your call but it will effect everyone’s view on how mafia have played
Again I’m not trying to be toxic or mean just clear but here’s like your conception right
You haven’t really helped us which is of course not expected you are mafia, even today you haven’t really told us anything sure you’ve been open and it’s fun(ny) but in real terms you haven’t given us anything
If you want town to ever consider kingmake for you, you have to ask on what actual basis are we doing so, we currently have you or a werewolf
Here’s why I want to vote for the werewolf over you guys if it came to it
1) werewolf has town sided as much as reasonably possible
2) the werewolf by the time we get to that point will have played optimally (if they choose to do so) to get a win with as much agency as possible
3) werewolf did not turn down a chance to win the game with skill for a small chance with luck
I kind of understand your concerns with the hook but ultimately like the odds of 1 mafia in a game with 4 players is very high - there’s a lot of confusion and I actually with all my heart believe the chance I’ve offered you guys, a competitive endgame more often than not ends in mafia win
So like yes there is a fear of what if you are caught but any of 5 players can be voted and you essentially get to pick which 3 make it assuming you don’t get super unlucky with the hook
But instead of a more likely mafia win you want us, the town you are unwilling to go head to head with as we are willing to bet the game so that we can have agency and have a real win, to kingmake for you - it makes no sense why after that we would hand you a free diplomatic win, even if it wasn’t blackmail and this was never mentioned why in that moment would town ever let mafia get rewarded
So here’s the thing then, you can even give the werewolf and have a chance at probably winning the game, being actually favourites in a skill based real ending, or you can watch town make a guess and if they miss werewolf then you are essentially deciding werewolf probably wins because you are afraid of playing town in an actual! Game of mafia
And maybe this is blackmail but I feel like this is all going to be brought up at 2-1-1 anyways, so it might as well be now before you doom both of our alignments
he tried to shoot hal or a fairy N1 so not really
we're exhibiting our agency here by choosing to reveal enough but not too much info to you, instead of just telling you everything you ask for
kingmaking isn't luck but the decision we're making here is skill-based and you may or may not understand that by endgame but, y'know, it is
we've run the scenarios, we're playing optimally, the reason why we know it's optimal is because of the info we're not telling you, but I think you know we wouldn't decide to go "fuck it lets see what lady fate has in store for us" or something despite the wording of your post here lol
and I mean this is just untrue you just don't believe some of the golden info we've told you
I still think revealing our night targets has been a significant buff to town some people just aren't grateful
What useful info did you reveal?
our night actions, therefore the werewolf's kills, and the points in time where we solved the werewolf and had confirmed the werewolf's identity so you can read into spew if you want
before we revealed we killed chickening you were all convinced it was the werewolf, since the start of D2. informing you that you were, as an entire faction pretty much, incorrect about that has absolutely changed the direction of your solving today
You can’t clear people with the hook if there’s multiple mafia bro lmao
all I'm doing this morning is repeating the info we've told you that's useful you can ignore it as much as you want but we still did it lol
we'll just have to kill you so you're not making the kingmaking decision I guess since you don't seem grateful ):
we'll just have to kill you so you're not making the kingmaking decision I guess since you don't seem grateful ):
killing you over others is exhibiting our agency it's what you want !!
NightEmerald whats the VC?
Scratch that: I realized that LYLO and MYLO are the same thing bc the PoE is just me and AirC so there actually is an argument for voting mafia per #1846
I thought of a different scenario
6-3-1 we vote in the 3rd scum PoE (assuming me or AirC)
IF we hit 3rd scum we go 4-2-1 and if we correctly hit the WW we win the game
IF we whiff and go 5-3-1, WW has to townside and we go 4-2-1, and we have the option to try and vote off WW to go to LYLO (but with a smaller PoE). That being said, if we whiff on the WW we automatically lose the game.
6-3-1 we vote in the 3rd scum PoE (assuming me or AirC)
IF we hit 3rd scum we go 4-2-1 and if we correctly hit the WW we win the game
IF we whiff and go 5-3-1, WW has to townside and we go 4-2-1, and we have the option to try and vote off WW to go to LYLO (but with a smaller PoE). That being said, if we whiff on the WW we automatically lose the game.
will do after class
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