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NOC WikiMafia 2 Game Thread [Day 2]

To be 100% clear since there seems to be some confusion (which may have been cleared up?):

I used my role on psy.
This means that psy's action CANNOT be redirected. It can be blocked (but it seemingly wasn't).
Thus, since psy's action did not fail, that means that if he targeted Bliz as claimed, the action would've went through on Bliz, and would not have been redirected onto anyone else.

Is that clear
 
phoopes said:
To be 100% clear since there seems to be some confusion (which may have been cleared up?):

I used my role on psy.
This means that psy's action CANNOT be redirected. It can be blocked (but it seemingly wasn't).
Thus, since psy's action did not fail, that means that if he targeted Bliz as claimed, the action would've went through on Bliz, and would not have been redirected onto anyone else.

Is that clear
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yes. and we are guessing from context that this role is a self-redirect of all abilities on psy
 
btw my side is, and we discussed this a lot last night hence me and psy inactivity less than d1 yesterday because we were in the hood the entire time ( flanders can attest to this )

i actually think from psy's pov it looks like i am lying, and i dont really blame him

i will say even if i was mafia the lsat thing i would lie about is my hood getting redirected because like, obviously that is going to catch up to me and also gains me nothing, claiming my hood getting redirected is such an obvious braindead of course you do thing as either alignment which i would never mess up

psy's reactions and like uncertainty just has been super towny to me, to the point i just have to accept he is town with a false red on my somehow and the person i really find at fault is....celever whoops

i think theres some stupid host "gotcha" technicality at play here which is screwing town, and if i am letting psy push me for free then like whatever i guess im a loser but i dont really blame him for this and still think hes incredibly towny
 
Tommy said:
btw my side is, and we discussed this a lot last night hence me and psy inactivity less than d1 yesterday because we were in the hood the entire time ( flanders can attest to this )

i actually think from psy's pov it looks like i am lying, and i dont really blame him

i will say even if i was mafia the lsat thing i would lie about is my hood getting redirected because like, obviously that is going to catch up to me and also gains me nothing, claiming my hood getting redirected is such an obvious braindead of course you do thing as either alignment which i would never mess up

psy's reactions and like uncertainty just has been super towny to me, to the point i just have to accept he is town with a false red on my somehow and the person i really find at fault is....celever whoops

i think theres some stupid host "gotcha" technicality at play here which is screwing town, and if i am letting psy push me for free then like whatever i guess im a loser but i dont really blame him for this and still think hes incredibly towny
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you are forgiven. let's get bluedoom
 
theres not a technicality read what im saying tommy. its just an interaction between some roles that makes total sense you just dont have all the info (we dont know FOR SURE who the 2nd phoopes ability targeted)
 
idt its bad to out the hood, i think flanders is probably also town so my main thing was i dont want other roles that are not mine outed because they are stronger than my role, if i am voted today its not really bad role wise though i think i am active and probably not a great d2 vote especially since we will get like 0 info and it allows afks to rule

i do have a passive ability that unlocks after i would potentially be voted so like that could be fun or could not be idk, i think my role is like cheeks af while i am here alive i have a hood that does nothing but let a guy who has a false red on me talk to me so i am now effectively vt in a role madness game
 
I feel like that would make more sense too for the double result (Pulsar's idea of how it works) than someone just doubling an action onto whoever phoopes targeted too, cause it wouldn't make sense to me that you could double any action, cause then you'd just hit the same person twice. I got it in I forget his name, but the gambling OC cause you could split actions and percentages, but it seems less useful in this one when actions generally target just one person 100%
 
realiti said:
my understanding is this

Tommy made a neighborhood with psy and flandrs, and told them that he targetted those two because they were the towniest people. But psy believes that he wouldn't be in the neighborhood if Tommy actually targeted psy

it seems natural as scum to tell psy they targetted them to pocket them, whereas if you were town you would go "wait why is psy is my neighborhood i didnt target him"
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you think, genuinely, me as as any alignment would let myself get caught in a lie when ive known ive been redirected for such small gain btw?

like i can accept being voted today by most people but you should know better than this and even if you want to vote me you should know this is like not something i would get caught on, as either alignment
 
Tommy said:
you think, genuinely, me as as any alignment would let myself get caught in a lie when ive known ive been redirected for such small gain btw?

like i can accept being voted today by most people but you should know better than this and even if you want to vote me you should know this is like not something i would get caught on, as either alignment
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honestly fair point
 
phoopes said:
I'll start off by saying that going into N1, I hella townread psy. So much so that I used my night action on him. This is because my night action makes it so that the target's action cannot be redirected. It still can be blocked or failed, but can't be redirected. I felt good enough about psy after D1 that I wanted his role (whatever it may be) to go undirected, so I targeted him.

The result is that my target was successful. However, I got the "success" message twice. I think this means that someone targeted me, and whoever targeted me has some kind of role that makes things happen twice. Which doesn't make toooo much sense to me how that would interact with some other possible roles, but it's what happened.

D2 I did almost a complete flip on psy lol. I did not like the immediate doomering like "oh this game is unwinnable" and I did not like the initial tunneling on Tommy, because when asked the response was essentially "idk." It was only later that the neighbor stuff was revealed that there seemed to be any kind of reasoning, of which the reasoning was "Tommy must be lying based off my role." A role that psy hasn't claimed (unless I missed it, there were 13 pages to catch up on ffs), so there's still some room for him to be lying IMO. Between the initial doomering and this tunnel on Tommy, I lean scum on psy as of now. The only reason I don't hardscum lean on psy is because I don't think we've heard from Tommy yet (and I just saw flanders posted while I was typing this so I'll need to go read that lol)

^okay after reading the flanders post, I'm inclined to believe him and Tommy are town in the neighborhood, whereas psy is scum. If psy is town and misreading Tommy that hard then damn, I'll be disappointed but also surprised. But the way I'm reading it I can't see a world where psy and Tommy are on the same side.

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With all this going on though, I'd like to not forget about saber. I still think the post at the end of day one where I said "this sucks" still sucks lol, but it got buried underneath all this psy/Tommy business. I scumlean saber.

I also scumlean a fairy, based off previous games I feel like she's been much much more active. And I understand last game she was scum so maybe it makes more sense for her to be town with less activity, but my guess is that she's a more active player in general so to be this inactive is a little weird, which makes me think there's something fishy. Maybe because she got scum two times in a row she's trying to go under the radar this time since last time she got outed? Hmm.

Bliz is also a scumlean for me. I feel like the pop-ins when mentioned have been very convenient, like "oh shit they noticed me I better say something" kind of play. I do appreciate that we kind of feel the same way re: longer posts vs. shorter ones but the interactions/pop-ins haven't been great IMO.

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So yeah, as of right now I'm thinking scum team of psy/saber/fairy/Bliz/filler. Those are my heaviest four scum reads, and then the fifth is probably someone we haven't heard too much from. Maybe bluedoom? Maybe des wildcard? (I don't think the latter one is toooo likely but you never know with des). Actually wait, could be genisu too because I didn't like his opportunistic vote on me D1 (yeah yeah OMGUS I know) but he also said he's parked on Tommy right now, which I disagree with for sure. Could be scum trying to save one of their own in Tommy vs. psy.

As for who I'm most keen to call town, based off the above paragraphs you know I side with Tommy in the psy vs. Tommy conflict. I'm also inclined to call flanders town based off his posts in relation to the neighborhood. I think realiti has been one of the most helpful/pro-town players in this game too so I think I'm comfortable calling him town too. I like DBD too, if only because I agree with the vote on psy. Also not a whole lot behind this, but AirC gives me town vibes. Pebble has been good too once they entered the thread. Worried about the 2-for-1 scenario but I feel like this is town trying to help.

In summary:

Town: phoopes, Tommy, flanders, realiti, DBD, AirC, Pebble

Scum: psy, saber, fairy, Bliz
Possibly scum: genisu, bluedoom

Wildcard: des

idk: pulsar, liquid, Peum, HH

Though I feel like I had a better read on HH before but with so much activity I forgot what it was lol
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btw because i spent all of yesterday evening trying to decipher how clever is resolving this game, i would like to note that he is counting being redirected onto someone "succesfully" as a "success" so even if you were directed from psy to bliz or whatever, you shouldve gotten a success result

the confusion is that psy still got added when it shouldve been bliz
 
Tommy I think you're town but I feel like I've seen you make the "I'm too smart to make mistakes like this" defense before and like I get you're experienced and all but no one is flawless lol.

I do think the "I haven't even reached my final form yet" claim that you get more shit as the game goes on is interesting tho
 
pulsar512b said:
so this is what happened imo
A has the abiolity 'add an extra target to 2 player's night actions'
A uses this on me and phoopes, targeting [who knows] for me and tommy for phoopes
thus phoopes is targeting both psy and tommy, empowering them
tommy's empowered neighbourizer ability beats psy's empowered ability which is presumably a redirect for anything targeting psy (this makes sense to me at least)
thus tommy makes a neighbourhood
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phoopes said:
oh yeah and I was just as confused as to why I would get the "success" message twice so I was hoping to bring that to attention as well
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before we jump to conclusions I must say, this also happened to me.
 
ShyPebble said:
The flandrs/tommy/psy stuff feels like T/T/T to me tbh.

I guess I'm more so waiting for Tommy to come in and say something, before I put a vote anywhere. But that's where I'm at rn, and Phoopes is town too for me because of the claim.

Idk if I'd say Psy is maf, cuz the claim itself abt the VC paints a really big target on their back, especially since Flandrs and Tommy are kind of against them too in the group, like a 2v1, not something I'd see them publically claiming as maf if that makes sense.
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i agree its t/t/t lmao so i guess im townreading you now
 
StupidFlandrs48 said:
4. People don’t just massclaim their info roles as soon as they get their first result my dude, the info itself has to actually be worth the trouble. But I’ll be charitable and link that very suspicious part of the post to your newness in this community.
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This is dumb btw, considering we have 5 mafia, roles that can block redirects/blocks, assumedly a healer and that mafia's easiest claim is TI we should be getting results from them, dying in silence while your results do nothing for town is the most useless thing you can do for them.
 
the thing is, my neighbouriser even blocks those guys targetting me and acts as a rogue but even that only applies after they are already added, so like celver has hard confirmed multiple times that its just a normal action when im targetting them that acts and can be redirected or disrupted by them or anyone as usual

like if there was a good answer here i wouldve gotten to the bottom of it i think so i fear there just is not one lol, unless psy is mistaking something but i dont even really feel like he is and if i am voted today i would flip town and i dont really want tomorrow to be doomer over this
 
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