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should i softclaim?
I'd lean no, we've already had a bunch of people claim it seems. Unless your role directly affected what happened with psy/the neighborhood, then maybe I could see it so we can get some more clarity. But my gut says no
this wouldnt make sense to me
I also can’t attest it’s not high priority lol
ooooooooookay. readlist involving a brief iso of (most) players since i do respect that i have been passive and not meaningfully present despite keeping up with thread. have reads on all slots, hopefully some value can come out of them. i started writing these at around post 1415 for some context. im still reading new posts as i write, but just be aware lol. shoutouts to going reverse op order so hyhy's whole shit got fucked up bc he doubled his relevant post count after i wrote his section.
however first; on the neighborizer: psy's smart enough to know esp in a role madness game that there's some possible convoluted explanation that doesnt involve tommy lying. if he's still holding to this idea that tommy must be bad after catching up (he hasnt posted since people started to unravel stuff) then maybe i can give it some more attention but this feels like stuff that isnt going to find us scum tbh. otherwise im inclined to believe the theoretical solve (its theoretical because it relies on theory and trust and we dont have enough info to be certain about it being the answer in a role madness game)
if you interpret this post as "a fairy thinks the scum team is des liquid bd airc saber" i will be UNHAPPY. if you want the leans, you can imaigne a gap between genisu and realiti, a null section around flandrs to shypebble or hyhy, and then a gap between airc and bluedoom. im least confident in my hyhy read and nearly considered them for a "did a buncha stuff mid-writing" section off the ordered list.
i put the reads in a hide tag for preventing a text wall, not for the intent of nobody reading it. at least please i beg read my thoughts on your own slot and any slot you care about before deciding to interpret my reads as like, locked in stone or whatever
however first; on the neighborizer: psy's smart enough to know esp in a role madness game that there's some possible convoluted explanation that doesnt involve tommy lying. if he's still holding to this idea that tommy must be bad after catching up (he hasnt posted since people started to unravel stuff) then maybe i can give it some more attention but this feels like stuff that isnt going to find us scum tbh. otherwise im inclined to believe the theoretical solve (its theoretical because it relies on theory and trust and we dont have enough info to be certain about it being the answer in a role madness game)
hyhy - havent seen anything from them this cycle and their last cycle wasnt fantastic either. i dislike #800. makes little sense to me from someone who is themselves afk and has some wackiness aside. this iso reads pretty poorly. i kinda like #743, #808 strikes me as a very odd post from someone of hyhy's skill level especially when you read it in context. they dont feel particularly present in the game, feels like they havent been involved in any really notable moments.
EDIT: with a lot more catchup posts now these all mostly feel empty ngl, with the exception of 1449 and 1452 which feel super towny even if they're wildly bad posts for a player of hyhy's level.
realiti - w/o a full iso read my recollection was that realiti didnt feel great to me earlier, but ive been a fan of their part of the neighborizer stuff. they feel present in the game and have been pushing things along, and as it stands currently i dont think there's more than one, maybe two, powerwolves, so if one of the other big names (loosely defined i think as tommy psy genisu realiti rn imo) turns out to be scum im way less concerned with realiti. id love to get a recap on their bluedoom stance, but im also doing this readlist reverse order of op so i havent gotten to bd yet.
peum - iso indicates peum was way less involved in the neighborizer theory solve than i had thought. im ngl, peum is a player that has kinda slipped under my radar, their avatar is like super recognizable when it comes up but they on the other side dont strike me as like, actively solvy, but that might be the perception coming undone by the iso. could see them being scum and contributing enough to be "another name" without a ton of attention? this read is probably not as meaningful since like, its pretty clearly shaped by the "peum was a big part of neighborizer theory solve --- wait not really"? ill try to closer watch peum going forward to develop a real opinion.
saber - why is saber's iso only two pages? i swear he got brought up way too often and was seen as a legitimate presence, so like, what's going on here. am i missing something. i feel like saber is confident enough in his own gameplay to be a vocal presence and a lack of reference to that worries me. #1280 is a bonkers post - i dont remember us all being on the same page when it was early neighborizer. i like that #1148 exists, idk that scum saber does that in the context of not really existing in the thread otherwise.
psy - glad we got to play again. obv an iso of psy is not super meaningful since their current presence in thread is super tied to the neighborizer thing. does a scum psy hard commit to this accuse? was the eventual goal this release of info in some manner? it is hard to envision. surely scum psy doesnt thumbs up a evie nightkill and then attempt a showdown with tommy - surely you do it reverse? isnt tommy a harder vote out target if you have a nightkill available to you?
bd - oh my god what is this iso. okay realiti i understand now i think. why does 255 exist, who posts a legit readlist on page 11?? at least 259 260 feel like reasonable posts to make but man i didnt think anyone in the game still had an iso sub 1 page... surely bd is better than this. the difference between expectation and reality wasnt as big compared to saber but its more alarming than saber's i think.
blizihguh - my recollection of bliz was that they came into the thread promising two things - chimp memes and that they have a ton of offsite maf exp. the first one is memes, whatever, i think they got scared off on that when people were considering them scummy for doing that stuff? but the offsite maf exp, i honestly started this up expecting to push them for like, not actually providing anything, but they were more involved in the early neighborizer than i had thought, and then apparently had to go to sleep so missed the theory solve which is a shame. 1264 1226 seem like good effort, i like 1273-1275. want to see what they do when they've caught up.
liquidrelief - ugh. another bd but without the level of experience that bd has. put up a reason why they're not super around, at least. why does 279 exist? are they really saying that they were gonna try to flavor solve which cel said wasnt a thing in signups? like you had a perfect offramp to the misunderstanding which makes even more sense than what you actually meant but disavowed it. wild.
genisu - not super thrilled that the two people who seem most eager to solve and push the game along (psy being the other) seem mostly at each other's throats whenever they talk. guess that's par for the course but surely its detrimental. i like 1250 i dislike 1309. hoping they come back around soon bc i want to know more about their thoughts on game progression
phoopes - was the (theoretical) solver. sorry to pulsar and whoever else but like, phoopes could've kept shut and allowed two of our stronger players to butt heads all day - i doubt either get voted today if phoopes doesnt speak up, early cycle pushes rarely become the end of day vote, but phoopes volunteering up info to help soothe the tensions is a good thing in my eyes. i'm a fan.
des121 - i know yall think she's unreadable to the point of not even trying. i know that she's yet to flip scum and as such we dont know what her scum play looks like. honestly, with all due respect, cowardice. des has a playstyle, and deviations from it are both readable and possible to derive info from. i despise post 986 so much in the context it exists. i hate that 1321 had nothing follow it, and that even if i mention this she very well may not ever reference it again unless prodded. 383 and 393 feel incredibly much not like how des plays. why is her iso 2 pages? i do not like her presence so far in this game.
airc - 1303 something better come of that. 4 pages is wild for a person i swear has not been around at all meaningfully. none of their posts at quick glance feel good, except like, 1022 and maybe 1268. i had totally forgetten about the shypebble event ngl, airc's posting during it is not great. why the fuck did they offer up 1295 and 1297? eager scum hoping for a mistaken mech clear or a town not realizing that it's bad? wants to avoid getting nk'd by going "look how shit my role is dont bother with me?" id love if airc addressed those two posts.
dbd - im not going to address the fight i had beyond saying that i really dont think scum dbd does that. i like 1140 to 1151, that progression feels super real ngl. 1165 and 1178 make me worry a bit about tunneling but he actually hasnt been on today yet so im not worried yet. i am curious if dbd still wants me out or if they've kinda just moved on to more game-relevant stuff.
shypebble - very present in the solve but like, in a watson (i have consumed no sherlock holmes media) way where they're there to be explained to by the solver. 1437 and 1419 feel performative - how do you ask if this is what cel meant by bastard when you saw the evie flip, idgi? 1389 feels good, like an actual attempt to contribute to the solve rather than asking for explanations. also since it seems nobody answered 1437 - vt stands for vanilla town. im still not a fan of bringing attention to whatever that 2 for 1 thing is.
flandrs - 1087 is a refreshing read given my thoughts on des. i like that they're vocal and they're pushing against folks (as in, not letting their statements go without counters, not as in vote pushing. tho 1080 exists) they have disagreements on - 1074 1087, 1308 and 1033 especially in the context of trying to keep neighborizer quiet. that said, 997 is a huge misrepresentation of eod, and i dont really know how i didnt address that when i read the post originally, wdym blatantly rancid eod push, chickening had the noose for so much of cycle 1's real playtime.
tommy - curious if psy will continue to push them. i like their responses to the psy push this cycle. i want you to know i nearly called it a psycle. anyway, i think scum tommy would not offer themselves up as a vote, i think they would get one of their buddies to throw em under the bus, but i do not think a tommy/psy team does it this way at all. i think anything that can get theory solved by pulsar and phoopes (with all due respect) is not an angle tommy and psy would've taken. if i had to guess, the angle would be psy accusing tommy of pocketing as a lead into a more well prepared bus, but that doesnt happen cycle 2.
pulsar - solver 2. phoopes is more important than you here, #misogyny, sorry, but like, the theory solve doesnt exist without you. maybe im putting too much value on it, but i really do think it's the second major player-driven development this game (the first was the shypebble 2-for-1) and it went from a psuedo-gladiator to basically a non-issue if you buy into phoopes' claim, which atm i do. glad you're getting more active.
EDIT: with a lot more catchup posts now these all mostly feel empty ngl, with the exception of 1449 and 1452 which feel super towny even if they're wildly bad posts for a player of hyhy's level.
realiti - w/o a full iso read my recollection was that realiti didnt feel great to me earlier, but ive been a fan of their part of the neighborizer stuff. they feel present in the game and have been pushing things along, and as it stands currently i dont think there's more than one, maybe two, powerwolves, so if one of the other big names (loosely defined i think as tommy psy genisu realiti rn imo) turns out to be scum im way less concerned with realiti. id love to get a recap on their bluedoom stance, but im also doing this readlist reverse order of op so i havent gotten to bd yet.
peum - iso indicates peum was way less involved in the neighborizer theory solve than i had thought. im ngl, peum is a player that has kinda slipped under my radar, their avatar is like super recognizable when it comes up but they on the other side dont strike me as like, actively solvy, but that might be the perception coming undone by the iso. could see them being scum and contributing enough to be "another name" without a ton of attention? this read is probably not as meaningful since like, its pretty clearly shaped by the "peum was a big part of neighborizer theory solve --- wait not really"? ill try to closer watch peum going forward to develop a real opinion.
saber - why is saber's iso only two pages? i swear he got brought up way too often and was seen as a legitimate presence, so like, what's going on here. am i missing something. i feel like saber is confident enough in his own gameplay to be a vocal presence and a lack of reference to that worries me. #1280 is a bonkers post - i dont remember us all being on the same page when it was early neighborizer. i like that #1148 exists, idk that scum saber does that in the context of not really existing in the thread otherwise.
psy - glad we got to play again. obv an iso of psy is not super meaningful since their current presence in thread is super tied to the neighborizer thing. does a scum psy hard commit to this accuse? was the eventual goal this release of info in some manner? it is hard to envision. surely scum psy doesnt thumbs up a evie nightkill and then attempt a showdown with tommy - surely you do it reverse? isnt tommy a harder vote out target if you have a nightkill available to you?
bd - oh my god what is this iso. okay realiti i understand now i think. why does 255 exist, who posts a legit readlist on page 11?? at least 259 260 feel like reasonable posts to make but man i didnt think anyone in the game still had an iso sub 1 page... surely bd is better than this. the difference between expectation and reality wasnt as big compared to saber but its more alarming than saber's i think.
blizihguh - my recollection of bliz was that they came into the thread promising two things - chimp memes and that they have a ton of offsite maf exp. the first one is memes, whatever, i think they got scared off on that when people were considering them scummy for doing that stuff? but the offsite maf exp, i honestly started this up expecting to push them for like, not actually providing anything, but they were more involved in the early neighborizer than i had thought, and then apparently had to go to sleep so missed the theory solve which is a shame. 1264 1226 seem like good effort, i like 1273-1275. want to see what they do when they've caught up.
liquidrelief - ugh. another bd but without the level of experience that bd has. put up a reason why they're not super around, at least. why does 279 exist? are they really saying that they were gonna try to flavor solve which cel said wasnt a thing in signups? like you had a perfect offramp to the misunderstanding which makes even more sense than what you actually meant but disavowed it. wild.
genisu - not super thrilled that the two people who seem most eager to solve and push the game along (psy being the other) seem mostly at each other's throats whenever they talk. guess that's par for the course but surely its detrimental. i like 1250 i dislike 1309. hoping they come back around soon bc i want to know more about their thoughts on game progression
phoopes - was the (theoretical) solver. sorry to pulsar and whoever else but like, phoopes could've kept shut and allowed two of our stronger players to butt heads all day - i doubt either get voted today if phoopes doesnt speak up, early cycle pushes rarely become the end of day vote, but phoopes volunteering up info to help soothe the tensions is a good thing in my eyes. i'm a fan.
des121 - i know yall think she's unreadable to the point of not even trying. i know that she's yet to flip scum and as such we dont know what her scum play looks like. honestly, with all due respect, cowardice. des has a playstyle, and deviations from it are both readable and possible to derive info from. i despise post 986 so much in the context it exists. i hate that 1321 had nothing follow it, and that even if i mention this she very well may not ever reference it again unless prodded. 383 and 393 feel incredibly much not like how des plays. why is her iso 2 pages? i do not like her presence so far in this game.
airc - 1303 something better come of that. 4 pages is wild for a person i swear has not been around at all meaningfully. none of their posts at quick glance feel good, except like, 1022 and maybe 1268. i had totally forgetten about the shypebble event ngl, airc's posting during it is not great. why the fuck did they offer up 1295 and 1297? eager scum hoping for a mistaken mech clear or a town not realizing that it's bad? wants to avoid getting nk'd by going "look how shit my role is dont bother with me?" id love if airc addressed those two posts.
dbd - im not going to address the fight i had beyond saying that i really dont think scum dbd does that. i like 1140 to 1151, that progression feels super real ngl. 1165 and 1178 make me worry a bit about tunneling but he actually hasnt been on today yet so im not worried yet. i am curious if dbd still wants me out or if they've kinda just moved on to more game-relevant stuff.
shypebble - very present in the solve but like, in a watson (i have consumed no sherlock holmes media) way where they're there to be explained to by the solver. 1437 and 1419 feel performative - how do you ask if this is what cel meant by bastard when you saw the evie flip, idgi? 1389 feels good, like an actual attempt to contribute to the solve rather than asking for explanations. also since it seems nobody answered 1437 - vt stands for vanilla town. im still not a fan of bringing attention to whatever that 2 for 1 thing is.
flandrs - 1087 is a refreshing read given my thoughts on des. i like that they're vocal and they're pushing against folks (as in, not letting their statements go without counters, not as in vote pushing. tho 1080 exists) they have disagreements on - 1074 1087, 1308 and 1033 especially in the context of trying to keep neighborizer quiet. that said, 997 is a huge misrepresentation of eod, and i dont really know how i didnt address that when i read the post originally, wdym blatantly rancid eod push, chickening had the noose for so much of cycle 1's real playtime.
tommy - curious if psy will continue to push them. i like their responses to the psy push this cycle. i want you to know i nearly called it a psycle. anyway, i think scum tommy would not offer themselves up as a vote, i think they would get one of their buddies to throw em under the bus, but i do not think a tommy/psy team does it this way at all. i think anything that can get theory solved by pulsar and phoopes (with all due respect) is not an angle tommy and psy would've taken. if i had to guess, the angle would be psy accusing tommy of pocketing as a lead into a more well prepared bus, but that doesnt happen cycle 2.
pulsar - solver 2. phoopes is more important than you here, #misogyny, sorry, but like, the theory solve doesnt exist without you. maybe im putting too much value on it, but i really do think it's the second major player-driven development this game (the first was the shypebble 2-for-1) and it went from a psuedo-gladiator to basically a non-issue if you buy into phoopes' claim, which atm i do. glad you're getting more active.
TOWN
phoopes
pulsar
tommy
psy
genisu
realiti
dbd
bliziguh
flandrs
peum
shypebble
hyhy
saber
airc
bluedoom
liquidrelief
des121
SCUM
phoopes
pulsar
tommy
psy
genisu
realiti
dbd
bliziguh
flandrs
peum
shypebble
hyhy
saber
airc
bluedoom
liquidrelief
des121
SCUM
if you interpret this post as "a fairy thinks the scum team is des liquid bd airc saber" i will be UNHAPPY. if you want the leans, you can imaigne a gap between genisu and realiti, a null section around flandrs to shypebble or hyhy, and then a gap between airc and bluedoom. im least confident in my hyhy read and nearly considered them for a "did a buncha stuff mid-writing" section off the ordered list.
i put the reads in a hide tag for preventing a text wall, not for the intent of nobody reading it. at least please i beg read my thoughts on your own slot and any slot you care about before deciding to interpret my reads as like, locked in stone or whatever
dont understand what im checking
i did receive confirmation that my action was successful
i did not get any extra success messages
yes
not understanding why the conversation within the last few pages explains away the conflict with tommy. my read of it was that phoopes empowered me, which impacts my role, and not tommys, and got an extra message for ? reason but did not target a second person. anyone who has been targeting my accusation just because "tommy seems town" is either naive or mafia with him. im not changing my stance
*discounting my accusation
I kind of feel like voting within bliz dbd bluedoom saber is a pretty likely scum hit
This is more from a poe reasoning than any particular scumreads
I will explain more when I can sit down
Ye, I get that. I guess my biggest question atm is if Tommy couldn't pull you into the neighborhood because of your ability, then how could Phoopes have semi-empowered you and not Bliz? Wouldn't that mean that both Tommy and Phoopes were redirected off of you in that case? Which means you couldn't have been empowered last phase.
I just don't think that stating they lied to you and discounting everything Tommy has done in thread is productive, without considering every option especially considering the number of roles and how they could interact.
Phoopes had some role effect him that made him target a second unknown person
If that coincidentally was me I would be empowered also which would’ve allowed me to push through your redirect, so people are assuming I was empowered now I guess
I’m not even sure I buy it, would be very coincidental but me being empowered is a reasonable option of what happened generally even if it was another source
this is true actually. phoopes probably empowered bliz and not me but my action was still successful (and if it wasnt then it would be anyway because of the empower which seems paradoxical)
is it just random chance? that seems unhinged even for a game like this
if the same thing that was used on phoopes was used on a vig, do they just shoot an extra random person? surely celever didnt implement a role that operates like that
i am fine with any of these votes ##Vote: Unvote
im sorry for doubting you king tommy, you would never get clipped that badly <3
do we know that there is extra kp?
im so done