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NOC WikiMafia 2 Game Thread [Day 2]

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Tommy said:
peum and bliz, its their first game in the community so like jury is always a bit out, i think they are both posting reasnoably well and are capable players and they are presumably out of the question to be voted today, i think they are diving into the me and psy thing more than other players, a lot of whom are happy to shrug and let it go
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btw before that I gotta clarify that you're totally wrong, I only made one post about that situation and then responded some questions that I got asked. So I was not a solutioner in that situation.
 
a fairy said:
ooooooooookay. readlist involving a brief iso of (most) players since i do respect that i have been passive and not meaningfully present despite keeping up with thread. have reads on all slots, hopefully some value can come out of them. i started writing these at around post 1415 for some context. im still reading new posts as i write, but just be aware lol. shoutouts to going reverse op order so hyhy's whole shit got fucked up bc he doubled his relevant post count after i wrote his section.

however first; on the neighborizer: psy's smart enough to know esp in a role madness game that there's some possible convoluted explanation that doesnt involve tommy lying. if he's still holding to this idea that tommy must be bad after catching up (he hasnt posted since people started to unravel stuff) then maybe i can give it some more attention but this feels like stuff that isnt going to find us scum tbh. otherwise im inclined to believe the theoretical solve (its theoretical because it relies on theory and trust and we dont have enough info to be certain about it being the answer in a role madness game)

hyhy - havent seen anything from them this cycle and their last cycle wasnt fantastic either. i dislike #800. makes little sense to me from someone who is themselves afk and has some wackiness aside. this iso reads pretty poorly. i kinda like #743, #808 strikes me as a very odd post from someone of hyhy's skill level especially when you read it in context. they dont feel particularly present in the game, feels like they havent been involved in any really notable moments.
EDIT: with a lot more catchup posts now these all mostly feel empty ngl, with the exception of 1449 and 1452 which feel super towny even if they're wildly bad posts for a player of hyhy's level.

realiti - w/o a full iso read my recollection was that realiti didnt feel great to me earlier, but ive been a fan of their part of the neighborizer stuff. they feel present in the game and have been pushing things along, and as it stands currently i dont think there's more than one, maybe two, powerwolves, so if one of the other big names (loosely defined i think as tommy psy genisu realiti rn imo) turns out to be scum im way less concerned with realiti. id love to get a recap on their bluedoom stance, but im also doing this readlist reverse order of op so i havent gotten to bd yet.

peum - iso indicates peum was way less involved in the neighborizer theory solve than i had thought. im ngl, peum is a player that has kinda slipped under my radar, their avatar is like super recognizable when it comes up but they on the other side dont strike me as like, actively solvy, but that might be the perception coming undone by the iso. could see them being scum and contributing enough to be "another name" without a ton of attention? this read is probably not as meaningful since like, its pretty clearly shaped by the "peum was a big part of neighborizer theory solve --- wait not really"? ill try to closer watch peum going forward to develop a real opinion.

saber - why is saber's iso only two pages? i swear he got brought up way too often and was seen as a legitimate presence, so like, what's going on here. am i missing something. i feel like saber is confident enough in his own gameplay to be a vocal presence and a lack of reference to that worries me. #1280 is a bonkers post - i dont remember us all being on the same page when it was early neighborizer. i like that #1148 exists, idk that scum saber does that in the context of not really existing in the thread otherwise.

psy - glad we got to play again. obv an iso of psy is not super meaningful since their current presence in thread is super tied to the neighborizer thing. does a scum psy hard commit to this accuse? was the eventual goal this release of info in some manner? it is hard to envision. surely scum psy doesnt thumbs up a evie nightkill and then attempt a showdown with tommy - surely you do it reverse? isnt tommy a harder vote out target if you have a nightkill available to you?

bd - oh my god what is this iso. okay realiti i understand now i think. why does 255 exist, who posts a legit readlist on page 11?? at least 259 260 feel like reasonable posts to make but man i didnt think anyone in the game still had an iso sub 1 page... surely bd is better than this. the difference between expectation and reality wasnt as big compared to saber but its more alarming than saber's i think.

blizihguh - my recollection of bliz was that they came into the thread promising two things - chimp memes and that they have a ton of offsite maf exp. the first one is memes, whatever, i think they got scared off on that when people were considering them scummy for doing that stuff? but the offsite maf exp, i honestly started this up expecting to push them for like, not actually providing anything, but they were more involved in the early neighborizer than i had thought, and then apparently had to go to sleep so missed the theory solve which is a shame. 1264 1226 seem like good effort, i like 1273-1275. want to see what they do when they've caught up.

liquidrelief - ugh. another bd but without the level of experience that bd has. put up a reason why they're not super around, at least. why does 279 exist? are they really saying that they were gonna try to flavor solve which cel said wasnt a thing in signups? like you had a perfect offramp to the misunderstanding which makes even more sense than what you actually meant but disavowed it. wild.

genisu - not super thrilled that the two people who seem most eager to solve and push the game along (psy being the other) seem mostly at each other's throats whenever they talk. guess that's par for the course but surely its detrimental. i like 1250 i dislike 1309. hoping they come back around soon bc i want to know more about their thoughts on game progression

phoopes - was the (theoretical) solver. sorry to pulsar and whoever else but like, phoopes could've kept shut and allowed two of our stronger players to butt heads all day - i doubt either get voted today if phoopes doesnt speak up, early cycle pushes rarely become the end of day vote, but phoopes volunteering up info to help soothe the tensions is a good thing in my eyes. i'm a fan.

des121 - i know yall think she's unreadable to the point of not even trying. i know that she's yet to flip scum and as such we dont know what her scum play looks like. honestly, with all due respect, cowardice. des has a playstyle, and deviations from it are both readable and possible to derive info from. i despise post 986 so much in the context it exists. i hate that 1321 had nothing follow it, and that even if i mention this she very well may not ever reference it again unless prodded. 383 and 393 feel incredibly much not like how des plays. why is her iso 2 pages? i do not like her presence so far in this game.

airc - 1303 something better come of that. 4 pages is wild for a person i swear has not been around at all meaningfully. none of their posts at quick glance feel good, except like, 1022 and maybe 1268. i had totally forgetten about the shypebble event ngl, airc's posting during it is not great. why the fuck did they offer up 1295 and 1297? eager scum hoping for a mistaken mech clear or a town not realizing that it's bad? wants to avoid getting nk'd by going "look how shit my role is dont bother with me?" id love if airc addressed those two posts.

dbd - im not going to address the fight i had beyond saying that i really dont think scum dbd does that. i like 1140 to 1151, that progression feels super real ngl. 1165 and 1178 make me worry a bit about tunneling but he actually hasnt been on today yet so im not worried yet. i am curious if dbd still wants me out or if they've kinda just moved on to more game-relevant stuff.

shypebble - very present in the solve but like, in a watson (i have consumed no sherlock holmes media) way where they're there to be explained to by the solver. 1437 and 1419 feel performative - how do you ask if this is what cel meant by bastard when you saw the evie flip, idgi? 1389 feels good, like an actual attempt to contribute to the solve rather than asking for explanations. also since it seems nobody answered 1437 - vt stands for vanilla town. im still not a fan of bringing attention to whatever that 2 for 1 thing is.

flandrs - 1087 is a refreshing read given my thoughts on des. i like that they're vocal and they're pushing against folks (as in, not letting their statements go without counters, not as in vote pushing. tho 1080 exists) they have disagreements on - 1074 1087, 1308 and 1033 especially in the context of trying to keep neighborizer quiet. that said, 997 is a huge misrepresentation of eod, and i dont really know how i didnt address that when i read the post originally, wdym blatantly rancid eod push, chickening had the noose for so much of cycle 1's real playtime.

tommy - curious if psy will continue to push them. i like their responses to the psy push this cycle. i want you to know i nearly called it a psycle. anyway, i think scum tommy would not offer themselves up as a vote, i think they would get one of their buddies to throw em under the bus, but i do not think a tommy/psy team does it this way at all. i think anything that can get theory solved by pulsar and phoopes (with all due respect) is not an angle tommy and psy would've taken. if i had to guess, the angle would be psy accusing tommy of pocketing as a lead into a more well prepared bus, but that doesnt happen cycle 2.

pulsar - solver 2. phoopes is more important than you here, #misogyny, sorry, but like, the theory solve doesnt exist without you. maybe im putting too much value on it, but i really do think it's the second major player-driven development this game (the first was the shypebble 2-for-1) and it went from a psuedo-gladiator to basically a non-issue if you buy into phoopes' claim, which atm i do. glad you're getting more active.

TOWN
phoopes
pulsar
tommy
psy
genisu
realiti
dbd
bliziguh
flandrs
peum
shypebble
hyhy
saber
airc
bluedoom
liquidrelief
des121
SCUM

if you interpret this post as "a fairy thinks the scum team is des liquid bd airc saber" i will be UNHAPPY. if you want the leans, you can imaigne a gap between genisu and realiti, a null section around flandrs to shypebble or hyhy, and then a gap between airc and bluedoom. im least confident in my hyhy read and nearly considered them for a "did a buncha stuff mid-writing" section off the ordered list.
i put the reads in a hide tag for preventing a text wall, not for the intent of nobody reading it. at least please i beg read my thoughts on your own slot and any slot you care about before deciding to interpret my reads as like, locked in stone or whatever
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Writing my thoughts as I go since I have a lot to read, to answer to your remarks about my role it's just that my role is incredibly inconsitant so I gotta take everything I say related to my role with a lot of "I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure that's the result I got", it'll make more once you'll be able to read it xd
 
AirC said:
Writing my thoughts as I go since I have a lot to read, to answer to your remarks about my role it's just that my role is incredibly inconsitant so I gotta take everything I say related to my role with a lot of "I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure that's the result I got", it'll make more once you'll be able to read it xd
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You shouldn’t be discussing your role right now, it’s free assist to mafia unless you have something that has caught mafia
 
Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
why do you want a third wagon? do you not like the wagons on bluedoom or saber?
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They're voting Saber, so it's not even starting a third wagon tbh, since they had/have the most votes already.

I'm gunna

##VOTE: Bluedoom

though, idk that their post really was all that constructive considering they said they wanted to vote 3 people (me, Bliz, and HH), and one of them (HH) was already kind of townread within his own scumhunt.
 
ShyPebble said:
They're voting Saber, so it's not even starting a third wagon tbh, since they had/have the most votes already.

I'm gunna

##VOTE: Bluedoom

though, idk that their post really was all that constructive considering they said they wanted to vote 3 people (me, Bliz, and HH), and one of them (HH) was already kind of townread within his own scumhunt.
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i definitely agree that it kind of lacked any bite to it. if i was town and i cared and i knew i needed to get heat off myself to help our wincon i would swing hard for the people i thought were scum (and especially ones i thought were being overlooked like the read on you was interesting to me but it didnt go anywhere) so yeah idk the energy wasnt there
 
I think that the most worthy votes right now would be Bluedoom, Genisu or Liquid, I'll go over my thoughts of why:

Bluedoom: Them actually appearing today was something I didnt expect, but it was a good read, their read list is actually not that good tho. It doesn't read like something they're making because they actually think what they're writing, but something they wrote because they were forced to do it. I don't like that. Either way, I don't like the votes going on this, Psy and Tommy are probably town from what I've read but I really dont trust realiti, des or liquid. Liquid could be voting Doom to save themselves tho

Genisu: I said before that scum can totally sound like town, but this is the contrary case. They are 100% talking like a scum would, I really dont like their posts. They feel manufactured and forced
genisu said:
realiti if tommy flips town we lynch psy?
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genisu said:
doubling back im starting to dislike some of psys posts, they seem to go against each other. like simultaneously he is supremely confident that tommy is scum, but also not willing to put himself on the line for it.
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genisu said:
If i was scum i could have just sat on the chickening wagon and chilled, instead i said that it probably wasn't chickening because there wasn't much resistance to it and tried to suggest an alternate target?
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Liquid:
Too defensive, low activity, tries to defend themselves by attacking Flandrs (I read Flandrs as town because they're so convinced of their own delusions that they cant possibly be mafia, their reads sucks tho). This read is as short as their post history.
 
For the next set of worthy votes I would consider

Des, ShyPebble, Realiti, Saber and maybe A Fairy

Des - I wasnt included in both of their reads I felt hurted :eeveehide: but seriously, their activity doesnt say a lot. I feel like the last posting streaks have been them just trying to defend themselves without trying to read the others.

ShyPebble - Still very sus, not as much as the start of the day but I would like to still consider them as an option, feels like they're trying too hard after having negative activity last day, its not really a negative thing but feels desperate.

Saber - I cant say anything that hasnt already been said, The wagon feels scummy tho.

A Fairy - I started trusting them a bit more after their read post, which has a lot of effort on it. But their posting since them hasnt been good, a lot of nothingburger posts with nothing to say and throwing shots at the dark while being scared of being hurted by the ricochet.
 
Peum said:
A Fairy - I started trusting them a bit more after their read post, which has a lot of effort on it. But their posting since them hasnt been good, a lot of nothingburger posts with nothing to say and throwing shots at the dark while being scared of being hurted by the ricochet.
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definitely not going to be able to keep up the post effort of that post continually. its hard to really contribute when most of what's going on isn't even tangentially related to me. im def alright with both vote wagons, though i dont like that des has just started posting more and is being townread for it - im unsure if i dont like it bc it means im more townreading her, or because i think she got prodded by a teammate and i still scumread her. need to think on it. but it doesnt sound like she's a vote option today.
 
more inclined to vote bd than saber, i think most of my thoughts re: both of them do hold true, ik bd posted a bit more and saber hasnt really, but idk if thats enough for me to like, overcome my individual thoughts on both
 
Peum said:
I havent played with you before, so I cant tell. But even players like tommy which I assume have played with you still say that you sound scummy.
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I don’t really think he’s scummy per say I’m bit really sure, I think where I put that was in the catch up post because it was thread sentiment

If I had to put him somewhere it’s like the more scummy side of neutral but this is only his second game back I don’t pretend to have a solid meta read on him at all
 
a fairy said:
definitely not going to be able to keep up the post effort of that post continually. its hard to really contribute when most of what's going on isn't even tangentially related to me. im def alright with both vote wagons, though i dont like that des has just started posting more and is being townread for it - im unsure if i dont like it bc it means im more townreading her, or because i think she got prodded by a teammate and i still scumread her. need to think on it. but it doesnt sound like she's a vote option today.
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I am not sure how to read Des this game, has she contributed like this in the last you’ve been playing with her longer
 
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