Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4

[Avira]

I agree with your analysis, the only thing I will say is that all of these things are inextricable screens, Dragonite, Kyurem, Tera blast, Gambit, and Oger all are aiding HO or offensive play styles which make it feel really oppressive. Building to handle all of those threats at once feels a bit overwhelming and people typical don’t have concrete answers besides “sequence” or “get hazards up.” Sort of a bummer that there’s no changes for the rest of the gen, but understandable.

Finchinator didn't say there'd be no changes for the rest of the generation, just that he doesn't think there's anything banworthy in the meta but would allow a suspect test depending on whether the qualified demographic of survey takers score something at 3.5 or above (This part is implied based on past statements. Dragonite had a 3.44 on the last OU Tiering Survey, and Finchinator said that Dragonite was close to getting a suspect and previously stated that 3.5 is automatic suspect territory provided no other mon had a higher score than that, and it isn't a score for something previously tested already). Dragonite is the only thing I can maybe see getting a suspect test as support for it getting banned has been growing over time. Whether we have reached critical mass for a suspect test to happen is what we will see with the upcoming survey.

 

[Magcargo]

I agree with your analysis, the only thing I will say is that all of these things are inextricable screens, Dragonite, Kyurem, Tera blast, Gambit, and Oger all are aiding HO or offensive play styles which make it feel really oppressive. Building to handle all of those threats at once feels a bit overwhelming and people typical don’t have concrete answers besides “sequence” or “get hazards up.” Sort of a bummer that there’s no changes for the rest of the gen, but understandable.

Aren't a lot of these mons like Dragonite & Gambit really good into offense because of their strong priority? Most HO or bulky offense teams I've seen struggle with Dnite esp because their defensive backbone against it can be a bit fake. I'd imagine dealing with Sun, TR or Webs would be harder if they were banned.

 

[RightOnTime]

Aren't a lot of these mons like Dragonite & Gambit really good into offense because of their strong priority? Most HO or bulky offense teams I've seen struggle with Dnite esp because their defensive backbone against it can be a bit fake. I'd imagine dealing with Sun, TR or Webs would be harder if they were banned.

Good point. Dnite and Gambit are sort of flexible any way you cut it. I don’t think either are broken, but I do think the meta advantages HO/offense more than bulkier playstyles right now.