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NOC Tracker Jailer Follower - Game Thread - Day 4!

I agree with genisu that peum's posts today have been towny

I also agree that it's to an insufficient extent to "townread" Peum but I don't think genisu saying that is a reason to scumread genisu
 
Celever said:
uh I'm referring to this post

whether Miyami's town or not do you think that case from DBD is a sufficient counterargument the points on him
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i do not think dbd's case is a sufficient counterargument (i did not like it very much tbh) but i think the case from phoopes's case and in particular the fact that i was a viable counterwagon for them to move onto is
 
pulsar512b said:
i do not think dbd's case is a sufficient counterargument (i did not like it very much tbh) but i think the case from phoopes's case and in particular the fact that i was a viable counterwagon for them to move onto is
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ty it is a very weak case but I'm dialling back now the game's more active to not thunderdome so I just wanted to ensure someone else pointed it out lol
 
Celever said:
votes on des are NAI if town but potentially s/s if scum

which is lowk why top players never policy as town because the cost-benefit is weighted from the start and so the policy has to be really extreme for the benefits to outweigh the costs
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i mean why would it be s/s if scum. like it doesnt make sense or them to go for a wagon d1 when there are perferctly good policy votes to go for anyway
 
Celever said:
votes on des are NAI if town but potentially s/s if scum

which is lowk why top players never policy as town because the cost-benefit is weighted from the start and so the policy has to be really extreme for the benefits to outweigh the costs
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Des has never once been scum before this game. How do you know its s/s in a situation thats literally never happened before?
 
Celever said:
you're right it's not good solving which is why it didn't happen lol

the whole case on DBD is about him pre-flipping des. I reached the conclusion after seeing des' flip

if des flipped town the case on DBD doesn't make sense, because the case was made with the context in mind

I dunno what you're not seeing about that
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I don't find your preflipping argument convincing. I don't think others do either. You yourself said that you're probably tunnelled. that suggests you are working off confirming your original thought of dbd mafia, not "des flipped scum = dbd mafia."

there are so many other players who look strange in the context of the vote over DBD that it's concerning to me that your focus was to keep on trucking against DBD. again, this not just me who is worried about this.
 
jalmont said:
I don't find your preflipping argument convincing. I don't think others do either. You yourself said that you're probably tunnelled. that suggests you are working off confirming your original thought of dbd mafia, not "des flipped scum = dbd mafia."

there are so many other players who look strange in the context of the vote over DBD that it's concerning to me that your focus was to keep on trucking against DBD. again, this not just me who is worried about this.
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I mean genisu and pulsar have both essentially said "this argument is convincing" so :mehowth:

maybe they're the scumteam! but if not at least one town thinks it's good lol

icl the case is straight up good, whether I've communicated it well is tbd but I don't usually back myself this much like, this is a really good case lol
 
I do broadly agree that mafia probably doesn't try too hard to save des but in that specific vote layout where a single vote would've done it I can't see mafia killing her there when she and pulsar both had the same value to the game at that time
 
jalmont said:
I don't find your preflipping argument convincing. I don't think others do either. You yourself said that you're probably tunnelled. that suggests you are working off confirming your original thought of dbd mafia, not "des flipped scum = dbd mafia."

there are so many other players who look strange in the context of the vote over DBD that it's concerning to me that your focus was to keep on trucking against DBD. again, this not just me who is worried about this.
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not to mention other peopel like genisu and airc who arent super connected but cases have been made for them to be scum
 
phoopes said:
hard disagree here

someone said before (I forget who sorry) that des will absolutely be voted out before she can get in the LYLO/MYLO scenario. But mafia want to keep her around as long as possible for confusion's sake. That's why I am very unconvinced that mafia would vote for des
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what confusion does des output

like last game sure people not understanding her claim caused confusion but that's closed setup role madness which this game isn't

des' impact on this game is being disregarded and ignored by the other players, she's not confusing anyone
 
Celever said:
what confusion does des output

like last game sure people not understanding her claim caused confusion but that's closed setup role madness which this game isn't

des' impact on this game is being disregarded and ignored by the other players, she's not confusing anyone
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and tbc that is the default impact of des see: last game where players called other players out for disregarding and ignoring her
 
##unvote
##vote peum
Celever said:
I mean genisu and pulsar have both essentially said "this argument is convincing" so :mehowth:

maybe they're the scumteam! but if not at least one town thinks it's good lol

icl the case is straight up good, whether I've communicated it well is tbd but I don't usually back myself this much like, this is a really good case lol
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yeah, that's why pulsar is voting genisu

1 person being convinced is not exactly a strong vote of confidence but maybe that's just me
 
jalmont said:
so why did mafia dbd vote out their scumbuddy yesterday? can you explain to me what sort of strategy was involved there?

are you saying scum!dbd was going to be voted out so they cross voted their scumbuddy in the hopes of gaining long term cred. how is voting out mafia "anti town agenda"?
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i made like a hypothetical post abt it somewhere, idea being dbd decides to throw des(who he has a low opinion of and will be voted anyway) under the bus to give himself more towncred and to stop getting voted in the future.
 
Miyami~~~ said:
I do broadly agree that mafia probably doesn't try too hard to save des but in that specific vote layout where a single vote would've done it I can't see mafia killing her there when she and pulsar both had the same value to the game at that time
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I mean in this universe it basically all comes down to DBD bc he's the only player to place a relevant vote (a vote that can be termed either saving her or bussing her)

like the earlier-day votes or off-wagon votes are kinda just irrelevant, no one really tried to vote anyone out or case anyone

so the only options on the table are saving her or voting her out, because DBD chose to cast the deciding vote. he chose to vote her out. I think that's a bus. if he chose to vote for pulsar instead (I guess she's the only other option) it would instead be saving her

and tbf scum!DBD couldn't vote for pulsar instead because he already came in saying not to vote the AFK so as scum he had no room to manoeuvre. his options were bus or vote off-wagon knowing it wouldn't go through
 
i think the case is okay and somewhat cxonvincing but it fails to explain why the fuck dbd voted des over swapping to me when that was easy and available
 
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