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NOC Everchanging Mafia - Game over, mafia wins!
- Thread starter Alice Kazumi
- Start date
Do the rules say what happens if someone dies with a role? Do we lose it forever?
I also have no role and have had no role
As far as I can tell
As far as I can tell
if they got voted it gets passed randomly, if the person who its supposed to be passed to gets nkd then the person who had it during the night just keeps it
its a world but its very unlikely, im not arguing ecat should be hammered here but theyre definitely the best vote
it kinda is when the wide consensus was that town mayor should claim d1 and also that town mayor has no reason not to claim (unless theyre also a tracker). Theres explanations for it but "i was town mayor and just decided to not claim for no reason" is not a good one
Just aim to vote ecat unless proof of innocence occurs or something else happens?
That's where I am mentally for now
Weird how we don’t know any of the roles
Just to be clear I do agree that its unlikely but until ecat actually shows up and posts we can't really do much but entertain hypotheticals or go back to zero sum voting like we did d1
wdym
Which roles do we know rn? Like I mean who has them
I was the Mayor on D1.
I have to say, I thought the Mayor’s effect wouldn’t be reflected in the vote, for example:
Votecount:
userX (3): ElectricityCat, userY, userZ
In some more “fantasy-style” mafias I’ve played on this forum, there were similar abilities and that’s how it worked, like in the example I gave. But when the host posted the result, they would add a line saying something like: “but some votes are worth more than others…”
On Day 1 I was honestly in a bit of a bad mood, after making a post that wasn’t good. So I wanted to step back a bit to think calmly. I decided I wasn’t going to participate in the vote, but I was still following the thread in real time. I saw some people saying the Mayor should claim, I saw Peum’s message saying “if the Mayor doesn’t claim, they’re mafia.” I didn’t read any message explaining why it was beneficial, so I decided not to do it.
I had two reasons. The first is that, according to how I had interpreted the Mayor role, claiming would only help the mafia speculate about whether one of them was in danger of being voted out or something like that. The vote was already very one-sided anyway. The second reason is that I had already made the mistake of voting somewhat at random, and I didn’t want to keep getting complaints like “nooo, on top of being the Mayor he voted without any reasoning.”
I think voting me out if you believe I’m trolling the town, plus my removal from the game giving you some information, is a very logical and intelligent approach. I made a mistake and it would be logical to pay for it. But if you decide not to do so, I also want to make it clear that I’ll obviously try to win.
I have to say, I thought the Mayor’s effect wouldn’t be reflected in the vote, for example:
Votecount:
userX (3): ElectricityCat, userY, userZ
In some more “fantasy-style” mafias I’ve played on this forum, there were similar abilities and that’s how it worked, like in the example I gave. But when the host posted the result, they would add a line saying something like: “but some votes are worth more than others…”
On Day 1 I was honestly in a bit of a bad mood, after making a post that wasn’t good. So I wanted to step back a bit to think calmly. I decided I wasn’t going to participate in the vote, but I was still following the thread in real time. I saw some people saying the Mayor should claim, I saw Peum’s message saying “if the Mayor doesn’t claim, they’re mafia.” I didn’t read any message explaining why it was beneficial, so I decided not to do it.
I had two reasons. The first is that, according to how I had interpreted the Mayor role, claiming would only help the mafia speculate about whether one of them was in danger of being voted out or something like that. The vote was already very one-sided anyway. The second reason is that I had already made the mistake of voting somewhat at random, and I didn’t want to keep getting complaints like “nooo, on top of being the Mayor he voted without any reasoning.”
I think voting me out if you believe I’m trolling the town, plus my removal from the game giving you some information, is a very logical and intelligent approach. I made a mistake and it would be logical to pay for it. But if you decide not to do so, I also want to make it clear that I’ll obviously try to win.
Basically, the logic behind knowing who Mayor is early is just so that we don't lose information. Even if the chains for each role can only tell us so much, the knowledge that only one pair of people next to each other can be scum could be important information. Basically, for role passing, if two people have a role passed directly between them twice at any point, both of them are fully clear from being scum. Technically we have to contend with scum possibly messing with that information, but it's some nice information to have.
I'm starting to think that maybe claiming mayor the day you have it isn't a great idea 100% of the time. In the case that the player who has mayor has another role, being forced to claim mayor does either one of two things. It either forces them to use the mayor ability (when most of the time they'd probably rather use their other ability), or it tells the mafia that they likely have another role and they should kill them that night. If they have tracker technically Doc can save them, but that's a coin flip in an already unlikely scenario. I think with the knowledge that the people who passed the abilities will know who they passed to we'll probably have most of the information (assuming people actually come forward).
Unlike some of the other people, I was never fully sold on the idea of voting you as mafia 100%, but it's the information we have for now. For now I think it's still the safest play for us, but I'm less confident. Your reasoning makes enough sense for me and it lines up with the stuff we heard earlier. I'd need a veteran player or two to do a soul read to be honest, but it sounds genuine. That's my read, but we have time to discuss more.
it is very weird that they shot an incative
Can you explain all of this like I'm five please
Okay I guess I kinda get it. Seems like you're reading very hard into mafia having not claimed bc of what you said and not, like, bc they wanted to or bc the mayor of either alignment missed all this discourse
Agreed that ECat is probably maf but also Peum's defense of it is weird. I'm not saying Peum is defo scum but if ECat does flip mafia this reads a lot to me like "scum figured out that ECat is mechanically implicated, and Peum is trying to get out ahead of it to claim all the credit for catching them." I guess that all relies on Peum setting it up D1 though. So maybe it's just good old fashioned bussing.
Ironically if ECat flips town I'm a little more inclined to believe Peum, just bc straining so hard to justify an ECat mislynch is very weird after the mayor math stuff
Ironically if ECat flips town I'm a little more inclined to believe Peum, just bc straining so hard to justify an ECat mislynch is very weird after the mayor math stuff
I mean, there's no way not to claim it since its obvious whenever you vote voting that someone on that wagon is the mayor. Why bother trying to hide something so obvious?
Because mafia can play around it? What does town do with knowning who's mayor today? Not much, but mafia can coordinate way more and they can avoid some bad votes that the mayor would cause