NOC Electoral Mafia - Game thread

Miyami~~~ said:
At this point town was never going to vote off me or pulsar and the game probably needs some sort of fail safe for mafia to force a no vote through if they actually can't kill when a town gets voted out. AirC currently has the only known role that can force that outcome for mafia
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Is this true? There has been more than one person who saw the "doctor situation" as suspicious. I kind of feel like you are trying to get towncred for the pulsar flip. I called pulsar obvious town. I think certainly pulsar's claim and the way she did it sounded very townie.
 
AngryPidgeon said:
Is this true? There has been more than one person who saw the "doctor situation" as suspicious. I kind of feel like you are trying to get towncred for the pulsar flip. I called pulsar obvious town. I think certainly pulsar's claim and the way she did it sounded very townie.
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I moreso meant a general town player who has claimed a good role for town but is still largely townread by the majority of the game, which currently seems to be myself or tsuki

AngryPidgeon said:
I see that now based on Fairy saying "it should be obvious" or w/e, but could you be more specific about what made you think Fairy was the announcer for "a few cycles"?
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Kind of just vibes of someone who would use it to fuck around like that, I was between her or tsuki for vibe reasons but tsuki's on her first game and would probably try to actually use the role
 
Alright

AirC is just maf, right? I have a hard time seeing an infinite governor which is also allowed to self target as a town role. Also on that isn't is the case that pulsar was not allowed to self target? I guess AirC is claiming that his role cannot target multiple times in a row. Hes claiming he knows he targeted me because apparently he was told that hes not allowed to target me tonight. Which is kind of awkward? I dont want to say anything angleshooty but this just sounds like BS and its contingent on their being a redirector/busser in the game which I guess isn't totally implausible but we haven't seen any reason to believe a bus driver exists. And if maf does have a bus driver that really does make me question the game balance. And when you consider that someone actually died last night it makes me think there could be some sort of bookie aspect to AirC's role which causes mafia to either gain NKs or maybe strongnman kills or whatnot. Miyami targeted pulsar last night(?) I kind of wish Miyami claimed her target last night. I mean AirC did claim that he tried to self target although he apparently did not end up targeting himself.
 
Miyami~~~ said:
Kind of just vibes of someone who would use it to fuck around like that, I was between her or tsuki for vibe reasons but tsuki's on her first game and would probably try to actually use the role
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Alright fair enough.

Realiti:
- Came out the gates today proclaiming that its effectively xylo with math
- Voted by AirC, a known vote stopper
- Unclear what his read on AirC is
- Is being voted for forcibly
- Unclaimed role

Miyami
- Targeted who exactly N3?
- Sus on AirC but wants to vote Larry slot
- Claimed role-stopper (basically what Des had in EGO) + vote-stripper
- Semi-confirmed role; vote removal part of role is confirmed, unsure if we've confirmed the other part of the claim

A Fairy
- The announcer most likely
- Could have some secondary role(?)
- Is kind of soft-CCing DBD but won't elaborate further

DBD
- Wanted to vote out one of the doc claims(?)
- Mostly lurking and having a "1v1" with Fairy
- Voted me yesterday iirc
- Gave a ballot to Peum N1, (?) on N2, and ballot to pebble on N3

Peum
- Claimed blocked on N1
- Mostly unclaimed, unproven role
- No other instance of silent vote manipulation in the game
- Thinks AirC is town (?)

Larry slot
- Completely AFK and being replaced?
- Unclaimed role
- Almost entirely tunneling on me this game
- Seems to be de facto vote today

Jalmont
- Forcibly voting for Realiti
- Uncertain what his stance on AirC is or am I just forgetting
- Just a straight up double voter role?

Pebble
- Claimed a roleblocker that accumulates charges for being voted
- Had vote redirected to DBD for D2 and no vote for D3 (right?), with miyami claiming the D3 part.
- Widely townread
- Uncertain about her current reads

Tsuki
- Claimed a 1-shot "good" arsonist who only can do something once
- Voted for Peum / Larry / Pebble
- Thinks me/dbd/airc/larry are maf(?)
- Widely townread

I kind of hate that apparently mafia can just block votes on mafia and you dont know until you step on a rake and its like lol we gotchu!!! and then they probably also Wobbuffett you back with a kill or something. If this really is the state of things then wow. Like its just super annoying to have to dodge an infinite mafia governor. I guess there could be some form of restriction on his role. Maybe AirC actually can't target mafia , only town, and he gets some sort of reward for doing it successfully? Like that to me would be the most sensible way to balance that role. I feel like seeing his role reveal might just crack the game open. But hes also potentially not voteable today and who knows whether or not thats actually true. If I had to guess I would speculate that actually Realiti is not voteable today. Like maybe the votes on Realiti are just a bait and when hes voted nothing happens, and maf kills another. To that extent my paranoia team would be AirC / Realiti / Peum / DBD(?). If my assumption is correct that Realiti was targeted by AirC last night then he could just be some big rake to step on today also. Assuming that AirC can actually target mafia at all with his role. I guess even if it is AirC=scum, realiti=town this situation is plausible and the outcome would still be a no vote followed by another maf kill. I will admit its slightly tempting to test that theory but probably realiti is a bad vote for today. It is WIFOMy like Miyami said and that irks me.

Still think AirC is basically confirmed maf. Tsuki is clearly a stronger player than they let initially let on, and that worries me slightly. I kind of feel like Tsuki has been coasting on the claim and its doesn't actually check out with their reads. Peum is a big ? for me in terms of his role and where his head is at which is not a good look.
 
it might be optimal to wait another night before claiming and finesse another result, but ill save everyone some time and energy so we don't have to dive too deep into hypotheticals. sorry to the two (likely) scum that i am outing.

i am a tracker who tracks the person that I end the day voting
n1: liquidrelief visited peum
n2: no result (i voted carrotman)
n3: AP visited AirC and realiti

liquidrelief is likely the mafia roleblocker and AP is mafia who lied about his N3 night results

Miyami~~~ Dead by Daylight ShyPebble AirC a fairy Tsuki jalmont Peum
I propose that we vote liquidrelief today and AP tomorrow. we all need to vote together, and anybody who does not is scum in my eyes. I also have two questions that I am currently thinking about:
1. why do we think AP visited me and AirC? this might be a question we can't answer until we see his flip. if he's mediator it's possible he didn't want AirC giving me day protection, but if AP is something like a bus driver i can see him bus driving a scum partner with me
2. who should i put my track on? now that mafia is aware that i am tracker, i feel like we should try to put it on the vote redirector, which is a role that mafia 100% wants to use at all costs. im not sure who that could be based off the claims.
 
Peum: was roleblocked by liquidrelief N1
jalmont: vote redirected to me and a super sane, stable presence throughout the game
Miyami: need to ISO again, but they claimed D1 as a result of a wagon with AP on it

that leaves tsuki, fairy, airc, pebble, and DbD with 2 of the 5 scum. tsuki has been on a solo mission the entire game and came into d4 hard pushing an airc/ap scumteam. their voting pattern is also way too self-centered around their role rather than helping any sort of scumplan. im willing to put them into the townpile.

that leaves fairy, airc, pebble, and dbd as 2/4 scum
 
ShyPebble said:
Each vote I receive is worth 4 divided by the number of players alive that day. On D1 Tsuki voted me so it was supposed to be 4/14. When Evie shared what my charge was they said it was 2/7. So I thought that meant Tsuki made votes half as effective on ppl, but rlly Evie just reduced the fraction to it's lowest term and I'm dumb
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i don't want to write off pebble solely off their claim but this is a really townie story that makes me feel like she's been figuring out her role independently
 
AngryPidgeon said:
- Targeted who exactly N3?
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You're correct, I did target pulsar and subsequently got role blocked

AngryPidgeon said:
(?) on N2,
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DBD Allegedly tried to give a ballot to pebble, which failed because I targeted Pebble with my role.

AngryPidgeon said:
- Sus on AirC but wants to vote Larry slot
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AirC claimed a self target with his ability, and given how yesterday actually went I'd be inclined to believe him somewhat. If nothing else he targeted himself or Realiti probably and voting LiquidLarry would avoid the question altogether for a day while still having a very high chance to get a mafia out. You kinda came to the same conclusion later in your post but I wrote this out before I got there

realiti said:
Miyami: need to ISO again, but they claimed D1 as a result of a wagon with AP on it
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If it helps, I was roleblocked last night. That probably confirms Peum being blocked D1 was at least possible?

I wonder if we're overthinking this a bit and the mafia role blocker and vote sticker are one slot, but it can only do one on odd nights and one on even nights. I guess we'll find out tonight since I fully expect to eat a roleblock if I make it through the day, but it's worth considering depending on what LarryRelief flips and would allow Realiti to not be lying.

That being said, especially with those results I don't think this sorta tracker is exactly moving my town needle at this point?
 
Peum said:
We know there's a roleblocker which probably interacts with vote mechanics (and until said otherwise I will assume they're mafia, no damage doing so)
and that there's a vote manipulator which obligates someone to vote someone else during the next day, which I assume is probably mafia, and if not, it was a townie which used the role for some reason on n1 with no proof against dbd
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thankfully realiti who knew this since day 2 told no one that liquid roleblocked me
 
Miyami~~~ said:
mafia role blocker and vote sticker are one slot, but it can only do one on odd nights and one on even nights.
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Iirc the roleblock and vote sticking happened on the same phases both times. D2 Peum claimed blocked and I was locked on DBD, D4 (today) you claimed blocked and jalmont is locked on Realiti. So idk that they're necessarily related in that way.
 
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