Retiring from Roulette, RMT Please

Banana292

I've been doing a lot of roulette recently. While fun, it's better in short bursts. So, Once again, I'm after advice for a set-team for use in between roulette. I just want a team which can hold its weight in the OU environment without having one which is the same as everyone else's. This is a Wi-Fi team, so please bear that in mind (As In I don't have access to shoddy's IV Changing and stuff).

The Lead

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Crobat @ black sludge
Jolly (+Spe - Sp.Atk)
160 HP / 132 Atk / 216 Spe
Hypnosis
Taunt
U-Turn
Aerial Ace

My lead. Fastest sleep lead, has a quick taunt and is generally annoying. Can U-turn away from stuff quickly and AAce for general STAB. I prefer AAce to Air slash because the 90 Accuracy hates me and its Sp.Atk sucks. Plus the Atk goes into U-turn as well.

Defence Force 1

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Gliscor @ Leftovers
Impish (+Def - Sp.Atk)
252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Atk
Earthquake
Knock off
Roost
Stealth Rock

Standard Gliscour, and my main physical wall. Keeps heracross at bay. He can switch in fairly easily and has good access to reliable recovery. I've never really seen use for ice fang, whereas knock off is really invaluable. EQ + SR are just standard. And yes, it is shiny =)


Defence force 2

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Umbreon @ Leftovers
Sassy (+Sp.Def - Spe)
252 HP / 252 Sp.Def / 6 Def

Wish
Baton Pass
Payback
??????

Another fairly standard umbreon. He doesn't mind taking ice beams or surfs thrown at glicour, and has good wish support for the whole team. As well as this, he has a very slow baton pass, to keep stuff safe. Currently the ?????? is Curse, but there isn't really anything to pass curse to, except maybe blastoise. Mean Look is a bit pointless as well, and I don't want the speed needed for taunt. Suggestions welcome =)

Utility

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Blastoise @ Leftovers
Relaxed (+Def - Spe)
252 HP / 200 Sp.Atk / 58 Def

Rapid Spin
Roar
Hidden Power Electric
Ice Beam

A good utility for the team. Rapid spin and Roar are other invaluable qualities which I try and impliment on every team [along with Wish passing and Knock Off]. Aqua jet is a surprise kill on some sashers after the opponant has seen I'm running a utility set. Ice beam is just for coverage really. There doesn't seem to be anything else, and it can still hit dragons pretty hard. the EV Spread tries to balance it's defences while still allowing him to take a few Gyara EQs.


Offence 1

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Hitmonlee @ choice band
Jolly (+Spe - Sp.Atk)
252 Atk / 252 Spe / 6 HP
Limber

Mach punch
Close Combat
Stone Edge
Blaze Kick

One of the few blissey counters with STAB Fighting. Doesn't mind thunderwave and has base 110 Sp.Def to eat ice beams with. Moveset is fairly standard, and shouldn't need explaining. Fighting types are always useful, and hitmonlee doesn't have too much trouble with Skarmory either.

Offence 2

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Azelf @ Life orb
Timid (+Spe - Atk)
252 Sp.Atk / 252 Spe / 6 HP

Nasty Plot
Psychic
Thunderbolt
Flamethrower

I've always used this azelf. It's always been in set-teams I make. His moveset is self-explanitory, nasty plot up and sweep, or just sweep without nasty plot. Thunderbolt will allow him to threaten gyarados and other flyers who wish to switch in and attempt to wall me. It also allows me to hit heatrans as I'm not good at SRing for hidden powers.


Threats

Gyarados: I always find gyaras annoying. My best method of dealing with them seems to be azelf. Blastoise can Roar away any DDs they rack up.

Weavile: The reason I fear weavile is my reliance on Azelf to sweep. A pursuit and he's pretty stuffed. He isn't too much of a threat to anything else really, except maybe gliscour. It's weavile that makes me consider Protect/Choice Scarf on Azelf.

Jolteon: My only sponge for him is umbreon thanks to HP Ice. Umbreon can't really do anything back, and Jolteon can set stuff up while I struggle. It doesn't help that my Haxer is weak to his STAB T-bolt either...

Salamence: Mixed sets can screw me over quite a bit. He's just so Damn powerful.

Cresselia: Probably my biggest problem. Hitmonlee isn't doing anything, azelf needs lotsa nasty plots and won't survive repeated ice beams. Umbreon isn't doing too much and blastoise/Gliscor are hit SE (charge beam+ ice beam). Crobat can taunt him away from healing, but that's just prolonging, and he is also hit SE. she makes me consider Toxic for Umbreon.

Status: I don't have a status absorber, or a cleric. It's really hard to fit everything into a team of 6 =/


So, that's the team. All comments are welcome. If I've missed a threat, made an error, or you have some advice, It's appreciated =) Thanks.
 
Not really a great team. You are trying to compete in OU with some UU-BL Pokemon as most of your team. Sometimes one - two can fit in but it more wise to use OU pokemon as they probably do the job better. I will try to keep it this way but i may suggest removing a few pokemon

For example Blissey over Umbreon is a wise move because it can also wish, isn't weak to bug, and can beat most special attackers while gliscor deals with the physical attackers.

Also I am not a fan of hitmonlee as he really just does not hit like heracross. So I would use the bug. However if you wish to keep him may I suggest at least going adamant to 2HKo skarm (If that even does it) You say you use him as a Blissey counter but I find hera to be better since it can take toxics and recieve an attack boost.

Not really a whole let of offense, I think Starmie over Blastoise as a spinner would help. The Gyara weak isn't helping you a whole lot.

Only 2 ways of offense is usually a bad idea and it would help to add in starmie to help.

Do not waste Lee/Hera. If he goes down I see nothing on your team that can take blissey.

When you are weak to Salamence, Weavile, Cresselia, and Gyarados it may be a wise idea to try and rebuild the team with these threats in mind.

Edit: If it is WiFi how did you get a timid azelf with good ivs? I find them near impossible to get.
 
To be honest, you've said exactly what I expected: Blissey, Heracross and Starmie...

Blissey is right away a No for me; and I'm not just being petty. Over time with blissey experience, I've found a lot of the time i put waaay too much reliance on just her. She makes me switch way too much, and I don't like relying on seismic toss. The metagame is also way too adapt to taking her out these days. Not only that, how am I supposed to get hold of a usable wishbliss? =/

I have used heracross previously, but I struggle to find use for him other than blissey. He is also centred around killing. No tonly that, Paralysis is a huge hinderance to him, he's fairly slow already.

Starmie reaaaaaally hates my weavile weakness. I've previously used a weavile to kill Starmies, and it works. That leaves 2 of my main pokes ruined by a pursuit weavile.


I could, however, move some of Blastoise's EVs to Sp.Atk and breed one with HP Electric. Blastoise is a much better counter to Gyara than starmie IMO, and Isn't afraid to eat a pursuit.

I also could Run rest-talk snorlax over umbreon as a defencive force, and as something which poses a threat to blissey, as he doesn't really care if he's status'd, he can run brick break for Weavile/Blissey and crunch for Cressy, and he isn't going to fear Yanmega like umbreon would.

Jolly hitmonlee 2KOs skarm with blaze kick, CERTAINTY with rocks [48% - 56%] He's not as weedy as a lot of people put him out to be =/ The hitmons are my favourite pokes, so I have fair experience with them.

I'mma thinking of replacing Crobat too, He doesn't...Do...much.

I appreciate all of your help though, thank you =)
 
If you really want to let Azelf sweep but fear Weavile, use Colbur Berry. It'll try to come in and hit you with Pursuit, yeah right, that's a paltry 20 base before all the modifiers come in (60 including STAB+SE). If it Night Slashes, that's still only 105.

I'd also add Pursuit in the last Umbreon spot, could be useful for against Gengars, and with that, add something like Tauros in the Hitmonlee place. Intimidate, faster, bulkier, slightly weaker, but devastating nonetheless.
 
KinglerDude24 said:
Not really a great team. You are trying to compete in OU with some UU-BL Pokemon as most of your team. Sometimes one - two can fit in but it more wise to use OU pokemon as they probably do the job better. I will try to keep it this way but i may suggest removing a few pokemon

For example Blissey over Umbreon is a wise move because it can also wish, isn't weak to bug, and can beat most special attackers while gliscor deals with the physical attackers.

Also I am not a fan of hitmonlee as he really just does not hit like heracross. So I would use the bug. However if you wish to keep him may I suggest at least going adamant to 2HKo skarm (If that even does it) You say you use him as a Blissey counter but I find hera to be better since it can take toxics and recieve an attack boost.

Not really a whole let of offense, I think Starmie over Blastoise as a spinner would help. The Gyara weak isn't helping you a whole lot.

Only 2 ways of offense is usually a bad idea and it would help to add in starmie to help.

Do not waste Lee/Hera. If he goes down I see nothing on your team that can take blissey.

When you are weak to Salamence, Weavile, Cresselia, and Gyarados it may be a wise idea to try and rebuild the team with these threats in mind.

Edit: If it is WiFi how did you get a timid azelf with good ivs? I find them near impossible to get.
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Did you not read what he put, He's trying to make a team that's not like everyone else's...

*Facepalm*
 
What good is a team like that if you lose everytime? To be honest I just have trouble seeing this team win against most OU teams. Unless it is against shitty players but then what is the point of playing if that is your only source for a win.
 
To be honest, UU pokemon are severely underestimated. I myself play UU and it's quite hard to others who play UU as well since the majority of people who play pokemon competitively do use OU's, so I do find myself going up against the OU teir alot and I have no trouble.

The fact is, most of the UU pokemon are overlooked, and nobody really knows anything about them. This is a great advantage against most people who play OU since pretty much most of the time they only use and battle with the same pokemon so it's harder for them to predict you.
 
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