Looking through the dex entry now, and those really are it's only options. It doesn't even get hydropump. >,<
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Clamperl. The forgotten bivalve from hell.
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If bronzong doesn't KO with explosion, you got to kill 3+ pokes to make it worthwhile. :P Well I guess 2 kills is technically "breaking even," but no one plays this game to break even.
Mew, Natu+Xatu, Smeargle, Celebi, Jirachi, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf.
Baton Pass, instead...
Mime Jr. + Mr. Mime, Mew, Espeon, Girafarig, Smeargle, Celebi, Spinda
Explosion, instead...
Gastly + Haunter + Gengar, Mew, Smeargle, Lunatone, Baltoy + Claydol, Bronzong, Azelf
The only pokemon in there I thought were noteworthy were Bronzong, Jirachi, and Uxie.
Um, it already has one. Or was it just added? No, I think I've seen it before.
Anyway, I like the idea with the Bronzong Rain Dancing. I hadn't thought of that before. Though I'm curious whether TR with Clamperl is really better than, say, Life Orb Omastar/Kingdra/Gorebyss without TR? Granted, Omastar's SpAtk wouldn't be as high, but it seems more stable (only requiring pre-set Rain Dance, much less vulnerable to priority moves, can hold its own better in the absence of setup) and learns Hydro Pump to perhaps make up the deficit in SpAtk. Kingdra and Gorebyss can also use Waterfall. IIRC Omastar/Gorebyss Hydro Pump outdamages Clamperl Surf. A problem would be that Omastar/Gorebyss can't guarantee they won't be outsped, and Kingdra's SpAtk is a lot lower.
It's just like in a lot of pokemon things-- you get what you invest, but investing more takes a lot of guts and often gets shot down.
Sure BPing one swords dance plus 1 speed boost from ninjask to garchomp is a lot more stable than say,
BPing Ingrain, 6 speed boosts and a Belly Drump to Garchomp, but when you pull it off which one is more amazing to see. xD
Though obviously nijask to garchomp would be a lot more common than the latter, and even less common than say, Swords Dance Garchomp, or CS Garchomp. U don't go as crazy on the set up, but you get what you pay for. Question is if you can afford to pay (in battle) for all the boosts and set up.
Sure BPing one swords dance plus 1 speed boost from ninjask to garchomp is a lot more stable than say,
BPing Ingrain, 6 speed boosts and a Belly Drump to Garchomp, but when you pull it off which one is more amazing to see. xD
Though obviously nijask to garchomp would be a lot more common than the latter, and even less common than say, Swords Dance Garchomp, or CS Garchomp. U don't go as crazy on the set up, but you get what you pay for. Question is if you can afford to pay (in battle) for all the boosts and set up.
Bronzong isn't a necessity to pull this off. If you wanted to you could run a Relaxed / Quiet / Sassy Jirachi with something like Rain Dance / Trick Room / U-turn / Thunder. Seems like it would be much more effective to me. Sure you won't be slower than everything, but 184 Speed is pretty low considering how speed geared the metagame is.
Speaking of out-slowing (lol), I think an enemy Bronzong can revenge this thing. Clamperl only out-slows Bronzong by 1 base point, and while bronzong can afford to go to 0 speed IV for Gyro Ball, Clamperl needs 2 speed at least to get that pretty HP electric 70. In which case, Bronzong can come in after 1 kill, out slow, and Hypnosis to screw clammy over-- outslowing to get ahead in trick room. :(
hmm.. how about going for HP electric 68 so you can get to 0 speed?
Yeah it does have one, but Clamperl is still listed as NFE for some reason, but in reality, it's UU.
Clamperl is really strong but it is hard to set up and let it swicth in and it cant stay long in cause TR is only 5 turns and 4 since you have to switch in.
Yeah, where the_artic_one said.
I like your idea of using it with Rain Dance though. If you want it to be truly lategame, you can use Brine over Toxic to guarantee some KOs, especially on Blissey, who can come in at 50% and still Softboiled off your Surf. It can't Softboiled Brine off at 50% though, especially when Brine becomes 292 BP in the rain with STAB when the opponent has under 50%. It's not like the guy has much of a movepool anyway, so it's a viable option.
I used Clamperl once without Trick Room. It was insanely hard, and took a lot of skill, but it still worked out very nicely for me. Basically what I did was give it some Encore-support, and every time I Encored a stat-up or support move, Clamperl came in to deliver a painful Surf. Now that I think about it, I might give him another try now that Wobbuffet is allowed.
I like your idea of using it with Rain Dance though. If you want it to be truly lategame, you can use Brine over Toxic to guarantee some KOs, especially on Blissey, who can come in at 50% and still Softboiled off your Surf. It can't Softboiled Brine off at 50% though, especially when Brine becomes 292 BP in the rain with STAB when the opponent has under 50%. It's not like the guy has much of a movepool anyway, so it's a viable option.
I used Clamperl once without Trick Room. It was insanely hard, and took a lot of skill, but it still worked out very nicely for me. Basically what I did was give it some Encore-support, and every time I Encored a stat-up or support move, Clamperl came in to deliver a painful Surf. Now that I think about it, I might give him another try now that Wobbuffet is allowed.
I have experimented with this on Shoddy, and I've honestly found that things like Machamp/Guts @ Toxic orb are better, because they can take a bit of a beating, have higher BP moves, and still get good attack with the guts boost. But I mean he doesn't fail, I just think he is a little outclassed as far as trick room sweepers go.
This kinda reminds me of Medicham in a weird way. 60/60/60 defenses iirc, but a ridiculous attacking stat. A huge hindrance as I see it is the lack of really high BP moves, with STAB+Rain Surf being the only thing to break 100. Of course Surf is really powerful, but it's like Medicham in that it has trouble hitting stuff hard because of low BP's. Heracross, I believe, using corresponding attacks can damage things just about as much as Medicham because of having 180 (after stab) moves that complement each other pretty well, along with a moderately powerful Stone Edge to pick up the holes.
Gorebyss does not gain the boost from deepsea fang/scale. Anyway, seems interesting, i think i'll try him out in my trick room team.
Perhaps this would be better as the clean-up; have the rest of the team composed of strong walls, spike layers, and a Blissey killer like Dugtrio, then when the enemy is somewhat worn down set up Clamperl and finish them.
Good thing there are no electric priority moves.
Good thing there are no electric priority moves.
Most teams have something bulky to stall out Machamp.
I really doubt many people prepare for Trick Room Rain Dance Clamperl sweeps.
How is he outclassed as a Trick Room sweeper? What pokemon besides Marowak has the incredible firepower Clamperl has?
Jenigmat429 said:
Only if you give me one!
Edit: That assumes you can clone or otherwise get it cloned.
Regardless, go for it!