CAP 3 CAP 3 - Part 10.5.1 (Movepool Spillover)

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Gothic Togekiss said:
I haven't noticed the fact that Dragon Pulse wasn't on it's movepool until now. Well I guess it wouldn't hurt if I add that move onto it's movepool.
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yeahhh it would.... It would allow it to hit all Dragons SE and give it almost perfect coverage. I, and a ton of other people, have argued against the inclusion of dragon moves, don't let one person overwhelm us.
 
1. Should this Pokémon get Recovery outside of Rest??
-No, Rest and Leech Seed sapping is more than enough for him to survive.

2. Should "Pass the Kutchie" be able to learn:
-Charge Beam? (N)
-Aromatherapy?* (N)
-Howl? (N)
-Dragon Dance? (N)
-Curse? (Y)
 
Hyra said:
yeahhh it would.... It would allow it to hit all Dragons SE and give it almost perfect coverage. I, and a ton of other people, have argued against the inclusion of dragon moves, don't let one person overwhelm us.
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I wasn't "overwhelmed" pre say, just added a move that I thought was "missing" into it's movepool. I'll take it out...again.
 
tgva8889 said:
1: Name a fire type with Synthesis. (Name another pokemon with cannons other than Blastoise. This is a Grass-type anyway. One could argue that you can't name a Fire-type with Leech Seed.)
2: Hey, you know what other move suits charging cannons? Charge Beam. You didn't vote for that one, so I don't think you agree with Synthesis on those flavor terms. (As an anti-Charge Beam voter, I'd be the first to say that the move definitely works flavor-wise, but it's broken. It raises one of its more prominent stats, while hitting many of its counters SE.)
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Hyra said:
yeahhh it would.... It would allow it to hit all Dragons SE and give it almost perfect coverage. I, and a ton of other people, have argued against the inclusion of dragon moves, don't let one person overwhelm us.
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Oh, ok. I just didn't understand the reason, that's all. My bad.

Beej, I'm not arguing against Synthesis, nor am I arguing for Charge Beam, despite my believe that Charge Beam is a fitting move. I'm just poking holes in Mekkah's argument for Synthesis and against Charge Beam at the same time. If Mekkah wants to argue for Synthesis, I think his reasons to support it "flavor-wise" aren't that strong.

Also, for Synthesis: Name a Pokemon that learns Synthesis that doesn't have leaves somewhere on its body.
 
tgva8889 said:
Oh, ok. I just didn't understand the reason, that's all. My bad.

Beej, I'm not arguing against Synthesis, nor am I arguing for Charge Beam, despite my believe that Charge Beam is a fitting move. I'm just poking holes in Mekkah's argument for Synthesis and against Charge Beam at the same time. If Mekkah wants to argue for Synthesis, I think his reasons to support it "flavor-wise" aren't that strong.

Also, for Synthesis: Name a Pokemon that learns Synthesis that doesn't have leaves somewhere on its body.
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Okay, if you didn't know that's fine. It's just the in the preliminary discussion thread and even before that, there was a giant move to keep Dragon Moves off of this.

Also, this guy has leaves. And Morning Sun is probably a more fitting name, since it applies to plants and lizards basking in the sun. Plus it was on Espeon, setting a precedent for non-plants.
 
Hyra said:
Okay, if you didn't know that's fine. It's just the in the preliminary discussion thread and even before that, there was a giant move to keep Dragon Moves off of this.

Also, this guy has leaves. And Morning Sun is probably a more fitting name, since it applies to plants and lizards basking in the sun. Plus it was on Espeon, setting a precedent for non-plants.
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By the way, you missed Dragon Breath.

I guess in theory those are leaves, but I always saw it as hair, personally. Depends on which sprite ends up winning and whether it's depicted more as leaves or hair.

And if it were called Morning Sun, then I'd have absolutely no problem with that. I didn't really have any problems with Synthesis, either, just the flavor argument.
 
Okay... Dragonbreath is annoying for two reasons.

1) Dragon Move = ugh, but 60 BP makes me borderline on it
2) Paralysis, I'm not sure of the opinion on this because we voted for Zap Cannon but against Stun Spore.

I really don't care about Dragon Breath though, it is weaker than Hidden Power Ice on everyone except Kingdra and if you are that concerned about hitting Kingdra you have HP Dragon with 10 more BP. Other people weigh in on this though.
 
Aldaron said:
What's the point of Dragonbreath lol?
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The suppose it's the same reason one would use Lava Plume over Flamethrower, to possibly inflict Burn/Paralysis on your foe. The problem with this is the fact that this creature already has a move that can inflict paralysis on someone and it doubled the strength Dragonbreath has.
 
i'd use it perhaps on bulkier sets...i love dragonbreath, and the greater pp compared to dragon pulse makes it quite attractive. plus the paralysis, plus the neutrality on everything.

so yeah. i don't think it'd be game breaking. but like mekkah has been saying, let's put shit on it and then take it off...this is about testing, neh?
 
I'm not even referring to its game breaking potential (it isn't at all btw, lol), I'm more referring to how Dragonbreath is viable at all...

Inflicting Paralysis at 30% on a non STAB move is essentially unheard of. I don't know of any legit set on a Pokemon that actually runs that :/

I don't even think the Lava Plume analogy is relevant because Lava Plume gets STAB, is actually stronger (by 33%), and its status is much more helpful to stall than Paralysis is. Stall wold prefer to Burn or Toxic its opponent, not paralyze it.

I have no problem with Dragonbreath being included buttttt....what's the point lol?
 
Holy Shit, no one used Dragonbreath....ever. It's not even used much back when it was first introduced in GSC O_o. I suppose to real reason why this thing has Dragonbreath is because it's some random filler move in it's egg list.
 
I noticed Dragonbreath when I first read this topic, but decided it was way too weak to be anything more than a flavor move. If I were going to complain about anything it'd be Mud Bomb which has much better type coverage but meh, kinda late now and it's still weakish.
 
tgva said:
1: Name a fire type with Synthesis.
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That's silly. Synthesis is Grass-exclusive. This is the only Fire/Grass.

tgva said:
2: Hey, you know what other move suits charging cannons? Charge Beam. You didn't vote for that one, so I don't think you agree with Synthesis on those flavor terms.
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For me to want a move on this Pokemon:
a - it has to make sense flavor-wise
b - I have to be convinced it doesn't hit too many of his counters

Charge Beam fits a, but not b. So I'm not voting for it.
 
Who cares if a move isn't used? Why should the moves given be all usable?
 
That wasn't my point at all X-Act :/

My point was why add another useless move :/

Why not add (insert blah blah blah) as well!!

I mean I guess I should have specified another but I assumed that was implied since all the useless moves were already added >__>
 
kholdstaire said:
Yeah, and before Close Combat was a move, Snorlax had Selfdestruct, Curse, Earthquake, and Body Slam, back in GSC. Just because we'd be making something that seems powerful doesn't mean the game will end. It just means the metagame will shift. If you haven't accepted that gameplay will change when this Pokemon comes into the server, then you have no reason to be in the CAP project.
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Back in G/S/C everyone know how unstopable Curselax was, it was just as broken as Tauros was in R/B/Y. There was nothing you could do about it, Gamefreak made the Pokemon, not the Smogon community. Powerful and overpowering are to different things buddy. There were still moves fighting moves to hit Snorlax with as well. Also i don't even know why you're comparing the G/S/C Snorlax with the D/P Snorlax, they are the same Pokemon basically with maybe Rest of Self-destruct and Crunch over Earthquake. Snorlax like i said mentioned before, only has Normal STAB, this guy has Fire and Grass STAB and two 120 Base Power moves that hit a lot of things for super effective damage. While Snorlax has one 120 base power move that hits zero Pokemon for super effective.
 
1. Should this Pokémon get Recovery outside of Rest??
-Yes, Synthesis
-No, Rest and Leech Seed sapping is more than enough for him to survive.

2. Should "Pass the Kutchie" be able to learn:
-Charge Beam? (Y/N)
-Aromatherapy?* (Y/N)
-Howl? (Y/N)
-Dragon Dance? (Y/N)
-Curse? (Y/N)
 
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