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wifi vs shoddy
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I could breed pokemon, ev train them, and create a team, and still possibly get beat by anyone on shoddy, best player or not. I think it all depends on the skill you have, it doesn't really matter if you breed them or not.
I don't see how this is true, unless I misunderstood your answer.
I'm asking about battling skills.
I'd have to say Shoddy. As it just makes competitive battling so much easier, also allows teams to be tested/fixed against a wider range of players in a short span of time.
I think these factors attract the more competitive players, and allow players to develop, thus making a more skilled community. Wi-Fi also has skilled players, but I think in comparison Shoddy wins out.
I think these factors attract the more competitive players, and allow players to develop, thus making a more skilled community. Wi-Fi also has skilled players, but I think in comparison Shoddy wins out.
On WiFi, the stats you breed has a lot to do with your battle skills. You won't get perfect stats, so you have to assume how much is 'good enough'. True skill on WiFi doesn't come from just knowing how to play, but also how dedicated you are to getting the best possible stats.
I would like to mention that Shoddy doesn't allow double team or 1-hit KO moves in tournament matches, so it is a different playing field altogether. Double Team and 1-Hit KO moves are legit, and you can find teams on WiFi built completely around them, good ones too.
Another thing about Shoddy Battle is that you can manipulate Hidden Power to be whatever type/power you want by simply adjusting your stats. While on WiFi, getting the correct Hidden Power you want is based off of luck more than anything.
In my opinion, WiFi is where the true talent lies. Plus, getting all your pokemon the correct IVs and leveling them up appropriately is half the fun (not to mention quite satisfying to boot)!
Breeding isn't talent. It annoys me when people say that. Admittedly it makes it harder, but it just takes time, not skill.
Patience is an inherent skill people seldom have, it seems.
Although I enjoy WiFi more (there's just something about battling with your own pokemon) the skilled players are definitely on shoddy. Shoddy is so much more quick and convenient that its users have infinitely more experience.
However, I think the majority of people use a combination of both, rendering this discussion somewhat redundant. I personally use shoddy as a testing ground for teams or movesets i'd like to put together for WiFi battles.
tenta[aint]cool: Patience is talent.
However, I think the majority of people use a combination of both, rendering this discussion somewhat redundant. I personally use shoddy as a testing ground for teams or movesets i'd like to put together for WiFi battles.
tenta[aint]cool: Patience is talent.
That's not true at all. Shoddybattle is not just the OU or Ubers ladders. You can have Shoddy matches with Evasion and OHKOs allowed just as much as you can have Wifi matches with Evasion and OHKOs banned.
Shoddy. Not so much because you can play at your best with your perfect evs, ivs, and natures as well as any moves and items you need but also because it allows you quick easy access, best opponents, and you can chat.
Although WiFi is cool because as long as you take the time to breed and have a fair ammount of skill you can pretty much become the best player. "Nooby" Players usually don't have to patience to breed or ev train where as on shoddy, any kid can take a team of 6 bog standards and rise the ladder to be ranked in the top 20.
However Shoddy is still much cooler. Plus everyone knows me there and my name actually fits as all I can fit in my DS is KD24.
Although WiFi is cool because as long as you take the time to breed and have a fair ammount of skill you can pretty much become the best player. "Nooby" Players usually don't have to patience to breed or ev train where as on shoddy, any kid can take a team of 6 bog standards and rise the ladder to be ranked in the top 20.
However Shoddy is still much cooler. Plus everyone knows me there and my name actually fits as all I can fit in my DS is KD24.
On ladder?
I don't think this thread is such a good idea!
But Shoddy Battle has the competitive edge. Breeding, EV training and WiFi battling with your own Pokemon does not mean you are cool, and it certainly doesn't mean you're a better player. Besides, I reckon most competitive WiFi players test a team they would like to build in the future on Shoddy before they even make it on WiFi, which means they're still on the system, making them Shoddy Battle users. And uh...I don't think many say "I'm a Shoddy Battler" or "I'm a WiFi player".
Honestly, though, Shoddy Battle has the better players (if I had to choose one).
But Shoddy Battle has the competitive edge. Breeding, EV training and WiFi battling with your own Pokemon does not mean you are cool, and it certainly doesn't mean you're a better player. Besides, I reckon most competitive WiFi players test a team they would like to build in the future on Shoddy before they even make it on WiFi, which means they're still on the system, making them Shoddy Battle users. And uh...I don't think many say "I'm a Shoddy Battler" or "I'm a WiFi player".
Honestly, though, Shoddy Battle has the better players (if I had to choose one).
Patience is not a skill.
The Shoddy metagame evolves much faster, as battles are faster, and it doesn't require breeding. The wifi "metagame" half-follows the Shoddy metagame, and so it's a messy mix of all the devolopment phases in one.
Shoddy is also more convenient, and condenses games, so it gives the most experience in the least amount of time. Using this information, I don't know how someone could say that wifi players are, on the whole, better.
Still, I enjoy wifi more, because of the animations, and partly because of how IVs are a part of the game (so Zapdos, Celebi, and Suicune will generally be worse), instead of things being straight 31s. I also play it because a friend of mine can't download Shoddy, so the only medium we can use to play against each other is wifi.
Shoddy also offers more recognition for advanced players. I don't see any wifi ladder rankings.
Breeding and EVing are not skills, they are luck and time-wasters respectively.
Shoddy puts everyone on the same level, you can have the same team as your opponent in a very short amount of time. This puts emphasis more on actual playing skill instead of "who can spend the most time trying to get a lucky egg hatch". This superior aspect of shoddy is supplemented even more when you figure that you can get at least two shoddy matches done for every wifi match, giving people more experience, and making the average amount of battle experience that each player has greater. Lack of animations and lag in between move selections is great.
There really isn't a question here.
Shoddy puts everyone on the same level, you can have the same team as your opponent in a very short amount of time. This puts emphasis more on actual playing skill instead of "who can spend the most time trying to get a lucky egg hatch". This superior aspect of shoddy is supplemented even more when you figure that you can get at least two shoddy matches done for every wifi match, giving people more experience, and making the average amount of battle experience that each player has greater. Lack of animations and lag in between move selections is great.
There really isn't a question here.
Just here to reiterate how breeding/ev training have no relevance to battling skill. Sure, you can spend hours breeding something competitive, but honestly, what skill does hatching random eggs involve? None at all. The only way you can really compare wifi and shoddy is comparing what the players of each game wants. Shoddy players obviously are just trying to play the game/build teams without wasting their time breeding untested teams. Wifiers, on the other hand, take pride in the pokemon they breed for competitive play. They are not as competitively oriented in D/P; they enjoy working for their pokemon rather than exploring the more advanced mechanics of team building, battling tactics, etc.
This obviously does not apply to the wifiers that use Pokesav. Some do wifi because they enjoy the animation, the excitement, and other aspects that shoddy lacks.
Since battles on shoddy are considerably shorter than wifi battles, players can gain more experience by playing shoddy due to the greater amount of games played as opposed to wifi. This leaves me to think that shoddy players have alot more experience, therefore are better players of the game.
This obviously does not apply to the wifiers that use Pokesav. Some do wifi because they enjoy the animation, the excitement, and other aspects that shoddy lacks.
Since battles on shoddy are considerably shorter than wifi battles, players can gain more experience by playing shoddy due to the greater amount of games played as opposed to wifi. This leaves me to think that shoddy players have alot more experience, therefore are better players of the game.
Shoddy battlers are the best, I don't see the great Tourny Battlers partaking in Wifi Battles.
I like Wifi Battles, but it's beat out by Shoddy, which will hopefully soon be beat out by competitor
I like Wifi Battles, but it's beat out by Shoddy, which will hopefully soon be beat out by competitor
I rarely, if ever, play Shoddy. Partly because I don't like the interface, mainly because I don't like Wobbuffet, etc.
I breed occasionally (I generally have everything I'd need to use by now), but I don't tend to think that's the point of wifi. If I haven't had the chance to legitimately acquire something I need, or at least want to try (usually something that's my own creation, that no one else would think to breed and trade to me), I'll hack it. The other community I come from (Marilland) tends to be full of people who hate shoddy for its interface, but also don't like to breed, so they end up playing on wifi with hacks. Perfectly fine by me; breeding and battling are rather unrelated. One is a test of patience, one is a test of skill. In the end, it comes down to the fact that the DS has a better interface than Shoddy, the game mechanics are guaranteed to be correct, and it's just overall a better experience.
That being said, I played a lot of Netbattle last gen. I didn't even own a 3rd-gen game until after D/P came out.
No. Is reading comprehension all that difficult?
Short answer: Shoddy.
Long Answer: Shoddy, since I reckon that a lot of battlers are like me - I have patience enough to breed and EV-train, I even enjoy it on some level, but with an actual life outside competitive pokemon battling, with uni and everything taking up a lot of time, I can't find it in my daily schedule to actually breed. That is, without hacking of course. When I have spare time to do battle, I use Shoddy instead, since I don't have to spend many hours preparing my team for it.
Long Answer: Shoddy, since I reckon that a lot of battlers are like me - I have patience enough to breed and EV-train, I even enjoy it on some level, but with an actual life outside competitive pokemon battling, with uni and everything taking up a lot of time, I can't find it in my daily schedule to actually breed. That is, without hacking of course. When I have spare time to do battle, I use Shoddy instead, since I don't have to spend many hours preparing my team for it.