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Skymin Discussion Thread

blasphemy1 said:
Ice is nice for Light Screen Dragonite and Zapdos, but Zapdos can be 2HKOed with prior damage + Stealth Rock damage, so it is really only useful for Dragonite. Meanwhile, HP Ground actually allows you to hurt Registeel and Metagross, while also OHKOing Magnezone and Heatran without relying on special defense drops/flinches. HP Fire should be useful for Skarmory, who can phaze away the subseeders, too bad Choice Specs Air Slash can do up to 41% to 252 HP / 0 SpD Skarmory.

I really don't see how HP Ground wasn't being discussed as the most useful... you are giving Heatran even more reason to switch in, on top of the fact that Garchomp is banned...

Ground or Ice seem to be the most useful IMO.

This thing is gonna be tough to kill. Those defensive stats are deceptive, and the HP is the important thing here. We won't be able to kill it with Pursuit like we can with Gengar.
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Skymin gets Earth Power via Move Tutor when in Land Forme, remember? No need for HP Ground.
 
One more factor against HP Fire is that other Skymin with HP Ice will always outrun and OHKO you. Personally I would always go with HP Ice and make sure to carry something that can reliably handle the likes of Scizor and Skarmory. Plus there is always the viable possibility of Occa Berry on SD Scizor, which will guarantee survival and a SD.
 
Other Skymins don't even need HP Ice to kill you, they can do it with Air Slash. Since Air Slash already 2HKOs Scizor, HP Electric would give you a reliable way to get past Skarmory without lowering your speed, if you care about tying with other Skymins.
 
HP Electric would be the way to go outside of Ice I believe. it can use the 1 / 1/ 1/ 2 / 1 / 1 spread to get flawless speed as well. Taking out Gyarados would be useful as well.

Fire does not seem like a bad option to me though in all honesty. We all know how fire/grass performs in OU, and honestly getting its coverage in exchange for losing the speed tie is not a bad deal. I mean we already are EVing things like Infernape and Weavile (other pokemon with essentially unique speed tiers) without full speed evs.
 
ChouToshio said:
HP Electric would be the way to go outside of Ice I believe. it can use the 1 / 1/ 1/ 2 / 1 / 1 spread to get flawless speed as well. Taking out Gyarados would be useful as well.

Fire does not seem like a bad option to me though in all honesty. We all know how fire/grass performs in OU, and honestly getting its coverage in exchange for losing the speed tie is not a bad deal. I mean we already are EVing things like Infernape and Weavile (other pokemon with essentially unique speed tiers) without full speed evs.
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lots of pokemon have 125 base speed, weavile isn't unique. people give weavile only 216 speed sometimes because the 40 hp helps it survive Azelf's flamethrower.

I guess fire would be useful for forretress and scizor but they're already 2HKOed by air slash so I don't see the point, unless skarmory is a big problem for your team. With all these flying types getting heat wave, maybe skymin will get it. hp ice/heat wave/air slash/seed flare would work very nicely.
 
Bog, I think you really need to check your info again. Weavile and Swellow are the only pokes with 125 speed, and last time I checked Swellow wasn't exactly the hottest poke in OU. 125 is, as I said in my above post, essentially unique.

edit: Also, Skymin does not get heat wave or icy wind. I already checked myself.
 
ChouToshio said:
Bog, I think you really need to check your info again. Weavile and Swellow are the only pokes with 125 speed, and last time I checked Swellow wasn't exactly the hottest poke in OU. 125 is, as I said in my above post, essentially unique.

edit: Also, Skymin does not get heat wave or icy wind. I already checked myself.
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well a lot of pokemon have unique speed tiers in ou, like gengar which always runs max speed. I don't think it matters how many pokemon have a speed tier, if that pokemon is relatively common like weavile, then seeing a bunch of weaviles is basically the same as seeing a bunch of 125 base speed pokemon.

did you check land shaymin or sky forme?
 
Nachos said:
Shaymin-S takes 25% worth of damage when switching in if Stealth Rock is in play. It also has a 4x Ice Weakness, and unlike Garchomp, doesn't have 108/95/85 Defences, meaning an Ice Shard cripples(or at least serverly damages even with Yache) Shaymin-S.

Also lol Registeel out of anything. The guy deserves some attention. :(
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Rayquaza also takes 25% damage and has a 4x ice weakness.

it's defenses are actually on par with salamences, I wish people would stop making skymin look as frail as deoxys-A
 
For 10 statistical points of HP, Skymin misses out on 10 stat points in each defense. It's slightly weaker, but pretty much "equal."
 
Syberia said:
For 10 statistical points of HP, Skymin misses out on 20 stat points in each defense. It's actually weaker than Salamence.
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salamence has 80 spD and defense and 95 hp

skymin has 75 in both defenses and 100 hp.

where did you get 20 and 10 from?
 
I corrected myself :)

I thought Skymin was 100/70/70.

And I meant actual stat points, not base stat points.
 
In exchange for mence's much more diverse move pool, overall better typing, and massive attacks from both sides of the spectrum. Albeit, Leaf Storm from Shaymin would be pretty terrifying in terms of pure power. >.>

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Wow, I just realized Modest Sheimi outruns Timid Gengar. Unfortunately it still falls below timid starmie, so I doubt modest will be seeing a lot of play (unless starmie decided to go defensive despite the threat of modest sheimi.
 
Other Skymins don't even need HP Ice to kill you, they can do it with Air Slash.
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Hence why I said 'always'. Timid Skymin needs a boosting item for a guaranteed OHKO on other Skymin with Air Slash, but needs Wide Lens to ensure the hit, and it is obviously impossible to carry both.
 
ChouToshio said:
In exchange for mence's much more diverse move pool, overall better typing, and massive attacks from both sides of the spectrum. Albeit, Leaf Storm from Shaymin would be pretty terrifying in terms of pure power. >.>

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Wow, I just realized Modest Sheimi outruns Timid Gengar. Unfortunately it still falls below timid starmie, so I doubt modest will be seeing a lot of play (unless starmie decided to go defensive despite the threat of modest sheimi.
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If Timid Sheimi becomes the standard, then Starmie might back off its speed investment (as it is, a lot of them run 352), and then the surprise Modest Sheimi will outspeed it. Though Timid Sheimi is necessary if you want to kill Modest ScarfTran.
 
Does it get..
~Seed Bomb
~Icy Wind
~Signal Beam
~Super Power
~Vacuum Wave
~Heat Wave

Heat wave and icy wind were confirmed bad, but what about the others?
 
If it's been tested and posted in the official list of confirmed tutors, then what's listed is all it gets. Seed Bomb is the only thing on your list that it actually learns.
 
Hence why I said 'always'. Timid Skymin needs a boosting item for a guaranteed OHKO on other Skymin with Air Slash, but needs Wide Lens to ensure the hit, and it is obviously impossible to carry both.
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So, you go with Life Orb and hope it hits.

It's not like it has a low Accuracy. It's what, 90%?
 
Edit on first post: List of both forms' tutor moves have been added. Important ones are highlighted and explained.

Question: Does Sky-Shaymin lose Earth Power when it transforms from Land Shaymin? Like the way Utility Rotoms lose their new moves when they're converted back to the original.
 
No. They seem to retain all moves even if they change forms.

That means Land Shaymin gets to keep Air Slash, quick attack, etc.
 
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