Uber team that got me on the leaderboard

[Darklord]

Hey guys. I joined the site yesterday and I'd like some help with my team from the experts around here.

Team Introduction:

So here it is. Kind of offensive oriented. The Azelf lead usually puts me in advantage right from the get go thanks to the surprise factor. I've only used this for 3-4 days only to find out that I got myself on the top 20 with just a few hours of laddering with a rating of approximately 1600. However, I think it lost it's touch since the ladder keeps matching me with the same opponents over and over again. I believe that's the main reason I started losing, since everybody knew what I was going to do.

In Depth:

Credit goes to Arkeis.com for the pictures.

Item: Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 6HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
~Trick
~Stealth Rock
~Explosion
~U-Turn

This Azelf is capaple of crippling half an Uber Team that underestimates it. If I suspect that the opposing lead is scarfed then I u-turn out to a counter. This is helpful against Kyogre leads because even the slightest damage inflicted by U-Turn weakens their Water Spout. U-Turn also takes a huge chunk out of Darkrai bringing it in the KO range of Scizors bullet punch. Against common set up leads like Groudon and Deoxys I trick the scarf allowing me to set up stealth rock without any problems. Even if Deoxys decides to attack Azelf survives thanks to their own focus sash. Deoxys is now pursuit bait for my Scizor since it will most likely be locked in something Scizor resists. Trick has also been useful against the Lati twins too, stealing their soul dew. Once I'm done I explode on something.

Item: Lum Berry
Ability: Technician
Nature: Adamant
EVs: HP 176 / Atk 100 / SpDef 176 / Spd 56
~U-Turn
~Bullet Punch
~Pursuit
~Roost

Scizors primary job is to get rid of the Lati Twins so my Kyogre and Palkia can rampage through the opposing team. U-Turn + Pursuit is a nice combo for mind games. Even if they switch predicting U-Turn I still have the adavantage since I can get a safe switch in. Not only does it beat Lati@s one on one it also beats Darkrai thanks to Lum Berry. U-Turn is OHKO on Darkrai with stealth rock support. I've also encountered some weird Will-o-Wisp Mewtwo's so Lum Berry is prefered over a boosting item.

Item: Choice Scarf
Ability:Drizzle
Nature: Modest
Evs: 6 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spd
~Water Spout
~Surf
~Ice Beam
~Thunder

I chose the scarf variant because I needed a fast hit and runner. I also need Kyogre for the rain(3 pokemon with Thunder) just in case my opponent uses a sun based team. Kyogre also comes early game throwing water spouts everywhere luring out common counters such as Latias, Palkia and even opposing Kyogres. The second time it's out I act accordingly. Scizor comes in to deal with Latias while the latter two will not enjoy a thunder. Dialga is a problem here.

Item: Adamant Orb
Ability: Pressure
Nature: Careful
Evs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD

~Bulk Up
~Dragon Claw
~Rest
~Sleep Talk

Dialga is a status absorber. I know it's weird using a stalling set like that might not be good for a somewhat offensive team but Dialga is the reason Blissey and Giratina(especially the CM version) don't stop my sweepers cold. It's also my initial switch to Darkrai. I use to run a scarf variant with sleep talk to deal with SD Ray but then CM Giratina became a pain. Now I can deal with those pesky Giratinas, however if my opponent wants to push his luck with his/her SD Ray by using earthquake It's gg :( . Help with this one please.

Item: Soul Dew
Ability: Levitate
Nature: Timid
Evs: 112 HP / 204 SpA / 192 Spe
~Calm Mind
~Thunder
~Dragon Pulse
~Recover

I initially put this to counter Kyogre and Palkia. It does a fine job at it as long as it avoids choice specs ice beams and spacial rends and sometimes Latias pulls of a late game sweep. Thunder > Grass Knot because Metagross gives me more troubles than Groudon. If someone can suggest a replacement to fix that nasty Rayquaza weakness then Latias can go despite being so useful to my team. :(

Item: Haban Berry
Ability: Pressure
Nature: Hasty
Evs:6 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
~Surf
~Aqua Tail
~Spacial Rend
~Thunder

Palkia is a monster. This thing puts a hole to pretty much any team if played correctly. Some people waste their Lugia to this just to shoot a thunder wave(thinking that I'm scarfed). Pretty much nothing can safely switch into this. With Haban berry Palkia usually takes the "revenge killer" down with it as well. Garchomp, opposing Palkias(usually scarfed) and Lati@s usually fail to revenge kill if Palkia is in a good health condition and Haban is still intact. Palkia can act as a wall breaker mid game or a late game sweeper.


So yeah, that was my Uber team. The only notable weakness I believe is SD Ray. I usually switch Dialga in making my opponent think that is the(nowdays) most popular ScarfDialga hoping to take an extremespeed and not an Earthquake. Lugia can also be problematic but I think I can deal with it with Kyogre and Palkia.

So rate away.

 

[never_again]

nice Azelf lead, definitely unsuspecting in a world of DeoxysA leads all over the place

i think you need Grass Knot over Thunder on Latias, but thats only me because othewise can switch in on a predicted Thunder, take a dragon pulse and Dragon Claw you to hell

As for Palkia, it may be clever to use Haban Berry but i doubt it will be living too many Thunders either, as it cant really do anything to a SpDef Dialga, and ur own ScarfKyogre is faster

Also your team is relatively slow except for Scarf Kyogre (and lead Azelf but thats another story) so if you get caught on something like a Scarf Thunder or Surf, as neither does much to Rayquaza, and it Dragon Dances on you, its gg

because i dont know the exact calculations, but i doubt Palkia will be living a Life Orb Outrage from something close to 600 Atk, even with Haban Berry
Dialga doesnt stand a chance, neither does Latias really, and Scizor, even though it resists Outrage takes alot of damage to the point where a +1 ExtremeSpeed could probably kill it

Also, being Slow also makes you Darkrai Bait, just a point to keep in mind

 

[Darklord]

Thanks for replying. :)

1. I used to have Grass knot on Latias but Scizor and Metagross kept coming in for free and Groudon isn't much of a problem anyways. Groudon also risks taking 2 Dragon Pulses or a +1 Dragon Pulse if it switches on Calm Mind.

2. I don't know about Palkia, what do you suggest?

3. I already pointed out the Ray weakness :( I even considered putting a scarfgar with HP ice in there just to have a check against both DD and SD versions lol.

4. To be honest Darkrai never posed a problem :| It's one of the few pokemon that I have an easy time dealing with. Leads lose a lot of health from U-Turn and Scizor always beats them one on one even when Darkrai is at full health. Worst case scenario, Dialga takes the sleep and Kyogre revenge kills.

 

[never_again]

hmm i dont know about Palkia either, but concerning ur Darkrai situation
if your plan is to UTurn with Scizor, Darkrai is faster so it will either Sleep you or switch out
it wont just stand there blasting you with Dark Pulses

 

[chaos 9]

This team looks pretty good and the leader board speaks for itself, but I think a few tweaks are in order to make this as good as it can be.

First off, Azelf looks pretty good, but you should consider psychic on it somwhere so you don't have to explode to do damage.

On scizor, have you ever tried light screen? It could help support your sweepers better and could go over bullet punch.

Kyogre looks fine

I would suggest that you use outrage over dragon claw on dialga as when it is picked through sleep talk you are not locked in or confused and it offers more sweeping potential in general.

Latias, in my opinion, could be replaced by lugia to counter groudon and rayquaza better. The standard lugia in the analysis should do fine. It would greatly help patch up your rayquaza weak as it outspeeds and ohkos with ice beam.

I find scarf palkia to be the best palkia spread but if you set floats your boat, then by all means keep using it.

Have you had any trouble with scarf dialga? It looks like it could harm your team a lot. Putting lugia over latias would also help to remedy this problem especially if it packs earth power, but Ice beam works too as scarf dialga cannot 2hko lugia anyway.

Hope I helped
-chaos 9

 

[Darklord]

hmm i dont know about Palkia either, but concerning ur Darkrai situation
if your plan is to UTurn with Scizor, Darkrai is faster so it will either Sleep you or switch out
it wont just stand there blasting you with Dark Pulses

I usually activate the sleep clause letting Dialga take the sleep and then send Scizor in(I'm using Lum by the way). Thanks anyway.

This team looks pretty good and the leader board speaks for itself, but I think a few tweaks are in order to make this as good as it can be.

First off, Azelf looks pretty good, but you should consider psychic on it somwhere so you don't have to explode to do damage.

On scizor, have you ever tried light screen? It could help support your sweepers better and could go over bullet punch.

Kyogre looks fine

I would suggest that you use outrage over dragon claw on dialga as when it is picked through sleep talk you are not locked in or confused and it offers more sweeping potential in general.

Latias, in my opinion, could be replaced by lugia to counter groudon and rayquaza better. The standard lugia in the analysis should do fine. It would greatly help patch up your rayquaza weak as it outspeeds and ohkos with ice beam.

I find scarf palkia to be the best palkia spread but if you set floats your boat, then by all means keep using it.

Have you had any trouble with scarf dialga? It looks like it could harm your team a lot. Putting lugia over latias would also help to remedy this problem especially if it packs earth power, but Ice beam works too as scarf dialga cannot 2hko lugia anyway.

Hope I helped
-chaos 9

1. Yeah, I thought about psychic but It's not useful in the Uber environment. It will add a Darkrai and Metagross weakness. Explosion has gotten me out of tight situations a lot of times, it can stop CM Lugia and CM Kyogre to name a couple of examples.

2. Haven't thought of light screen... I might try it. Reflect Lugia and Light screen Scizor seems tempting.

3. I'm a bit hesitant putting outrage on Dialga. Outrage prevents you from switching if you're not sleeptalking. I kinda hate spikes so I cannot afford to give Skarmory/Foretress free turns to spike me.

4. It crossed my mind a couple of times. I don't even know why I didn't use Lugia earlier :|

5. Haban is working for me. Without it my whole team is vulnuerable to scarfchomp and scarfpalkia.

6. Thankfully, the few ScarfDialgas I encountered were not packing a ground move. I'm gonna use Lugia thanks.

 

[Darkmalice]

Mixed Palkia should have a Lustrous Orb because Rayquaza, after a DD, still OHKOs Palkia with the berry. You can Timid with the Lustrous Orb, as Aqua Tail will still 2HKO Blissey in the rain with Orb (and this ensures that Palkia survives a rayquaza SDboosted extremespeed).

Kyorge should be Timid to outspeed Deoxys, who for some unexplained reasons, never use Extremespeed on me, despite my TimidScarfed Kyorge and Rayquaza, who would be expected to have Extremespeed.

The Azelf lead is nice, though what would happen if a lead Deoxys extremesped him. Wouldnt that 2HKO (and your new focus Sash would be useless)?

 

[Darklord]

Mixed Palkia should have a Lustrous Orb because Rayquaza, after a DD, still OHKOs Palkia with the berry. You can Timid with the Lustrous Orb, as Aqua Tail will still 2HKO Blissey in the rain with Orb (and this ensures that Palkia survives a rayquaza SDboosted extremespeed).

Kyorge should be Timid to outspeed Deoxys, who for some unexplained reasons, never use Extremespeed on me, despite my TimidScarfed Kyorge and Rayquaza, who would be expected to have Extremespeed.

The Azelf lead is nice, though what would happen if a lead Deoxys extremesped him. Wouldnt that 2HKO (and your new focus Sash would be useless)?

1. I tried Lustrous orb and scarf on a couple of matches but I found out that Haban works better for me because ScarfChomp and Scarf Palkia ALWAYS come in to revenge kill, and once they are in I have no save switch in to sponge the dragon attack(Scizor wouldn't dare switch in to face Palkia). I might switch to Naive though to see if i can survive a +2 Extreemespeed.

2. I always prefer attacking boosting natures on scarfed pokemon for some reason. Deoxys usually uses goes with Espeed or switches out and Rayquazas are running Jolly these days, though I might consider going Timid if I find my self struggling with other ScarfOgres.

3. Anything on Deoxys can 2HKO Azelf. Most of the time they don't consider Azelf a threat and they use stealth rock, this is the best case scenario for me because I can set up my own SR and then U-Turn out. However, some of them attack right off the bat. The most common attacks targeting Azelf are Shadow Ball and Extreemespeed. I switch to Scizor which basically laughs at those attacks and use pursuit.

 

[the Logger]

Meh, I don't know a lot bout ubers, but looks fine. I would be cautious about Arceus and Deoxys - A, as both are strong and you have no true wall (I guess Latias/Dialga).