PBR Double battle RMT [Rain Dance]

Adamco13

Adamco13

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My Team:​


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Sassy Bronzong @ Lum Berry
Levitate
-Rain Dance
-Stealth Rock
- Explosion
- Gyro Ball
252 HP / 128 Atk / 128 Def ​

A great rain dance set up. This guy can eaisly take multiple hits and is a great set up. Thanks to AoXoa for explaining to me why Zong is the better choice. Explosion will rape in doubles and will be used when my partner will die anyways.​

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Lonely Kingdra @ Leftovers
Swift Swim
- Ice Beam
- Waterfall
- Draco Meteor
- Surf
252 Atk / 240 SpA / 16 Speed​

This guy is clearly a must for any rain dance team. I let Uxie do its setting up while I am ripping the other team to shreds with this guy. Ice beam covers Zapdos while the others are kick ass stabbed (and surf and watefall are even more boosted in rain). Surf over hydro pump to hit Toxicroack for some HP recovery.​

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Timid Raikou @ Damp Rock
Natural Cure
- Thunder
- Rain Dance
- Shadow Ball
- Calm Mind
252 SpA / 252 Speed / 4 Hp​

I decided I was in need of an electric poke to take down other waters and such. Thunder always hits in rain and is 120 base, 180 after the STAB. He can set up rain dance if needd since I will have a relatively bulky version and he can survive a few hits anyways with his good defenses. Calm mind can make him bulkier and more relialy raises his SpA​

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Adamant Toxicroak @ Life Orb
Dry Skin
- Sucker Punch
- Cross Chop
- Stone Edge
- Fake Out
252 Atk / 252 Speed / 6 Hp​

A great sweeper for a rain dance double teams. Stick him in with Tentacruel or Kingdra and have them run surf to heal him up so he can get off a SD or two. The rain negates life orbs effects and lets him still gain another 2.5% hp per turn.​


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Timid Starmie @ Life Orb
Natural Cure
- Surf
- Grass Knot
- Recover
- Ice Beam
252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 Hp​

I chose Starmie over Tentcruel for a few reasons. It hits harder and on PBR offense matters the most. It works better on a dance team because of more coverage. It can take out other water with Grass Knot. It has a recovery move, and I like Starmie more =P. ​


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Adamant Scizor @ Choice Band
Technician
- U-Turn
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- Pursuit
252 Atk / 252 Speed / 6 Hp​

Scizor is just amazing on any team. Bullet punch destroys almost anything its not NVE against. This guy can help when rain dance isgone and my set ups are dead. He can also help to take down anything my others are NVE against. Overall he is amazing and while he is not a staple of this team he is a good thing to fall back on when all else fails.​




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GREAT Team! I am a total fan of the Rain Dance team. This team works great. I like how you used scizor as a a back-up, that's how I would do it. Your Tentacruel also works great as a Scizor counter that usually is omnipresent! I am a bit worried about Uxie though just becasue I do not think Uxie really abuses rain dance...as well as Bronzong. Just to refresh, rain halves ALL fire attack, and bronzong has only a fire weakess, with rain dance, Bronzong has no weaknesses! Here's my set just in case:

Bronzong @ lum berry/damp rock
-Rain Dance
-Stealth Rock
-Gyro Ball/ Earthquake/ Explosion
-Gyro Ball/ Earthquake/ Explosion

I personally, use a Explosion set because it functions as a one time, all or nothing attack when you know your partner is GOING to die. And it immediately sends your sweeper out for a 5 turn rain dance. A lum berry is used because YOU NEED THE EXPLOSION to happen, if not if they see a paralyzed Bronzong, it is going to be abused. If not, then you can have a 8 turn rain dance, but that damp rock could be used on another Pokemon. But if you are not too keen on the suicide thing, then just have gyro ball and earthquake with damp rock.

Overall, an amazing Rain Dance team. It's what a Rain Dance team should be like. It is not entirely focused to just water, which most people tend to do. I like it! It's very much like mine.
 
Fantasy/Nightmare said:
Might I recommend Ludicolo (w/ Rain Dish, Leech Seed, and Leftovers) over Roserade? Roserade just seems so out of place here.
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I'll see how Roserade works out for me first.

AoXoA said:
GREAT Team! I am a total fan of the Rain Dance team. This team works great. I like how you used scizor as a a back-up, that's how I would do it. Your Tentacruel also works great as a Scizor counter that usually is omnipresent! I am a bit worried about Uxie though just becasue I do not think Uxie really abuses rain dance...as well as Bronzong. Just to refresh, rain halves ALL fire attack, and bronzong has only a fire weakess, with rain dance, Bronzong has no weaknesses! Here's my set just in case:

Bronzong @ lum berry/damp rock
-Rain Dance
-Stealth Rock
-Gyro Ball/ Earthquake/ Explosion
-Gyro Ball/ Earthquake/ Explosion

I personally, use a Explosion set because it functions as a one time, all or nothing attack when you know your partner is GOING to die. And it immediately sends your sweeper out for a 5 turn rain dance. A lum berry is used because YOU NEED THE EXPLOSION to happen, if not if they see a paralyzed Bronzong, it is going to be abused. If not, then you can have a 8 turn rain dance, but that damp rock could be used on another Pokemon. But if you are not too keen on the suicide thing, then just have gyro ball and earthquake with damp rock.

Overall, an amazing Rain Dance team. It's what a Rain Dance team should be like. It is not entirely focused to just water, which most people tend to do. I like it! It's very much like mine.
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Thank you, and I originally had Bronzong but someone on the IRC convinced me to switch. I do however believe zong is a better choice just wanted another opinion.
 
I would recommend never to use Stealth Rock in Doubles. To be honest, not a lot of switching is done, so the damage would be minimal. Try a Bronzong with Hypnosis or Thunder Wave instead.

Again, because Stealth Rock and Spikes likely won't be used, I would take away Tentacruel with his Rapid Spin. I would try replacing him with another Pokemon with Water Absorb, such as Lapras.
 
One huge problem I see with this team is that it's too focused on water, so much that opposing rain teams may cause a problem, because you don't have anything that can take down opposing water types easily. If you don't want to change any of your pokemon around, I'd say you should at least let Roserade carry an attacking grass move to handle water types at least slightly better. Otherwise, I agree that Ludicolo (with an attacking grass move) would be nice to replace Roserade.

Oh also, Toxicroak will very very rarely have the time to swords dance. Fake Out is a way better option for free damage while preventing one opponent from attacking.

AND... you don't have any pokemon with Protect right now, which means when your Bronzong explodes it is going to take down its partner. You need to have protect on at least a couple of your pokemon in double.
 
Phantasm said:
I would recommend never to use Stealth Rock in Doubles. To be honest, not a lot of switching is done, so the damage would be minimal. Try a Bronzong with Hypnosis or Thunder Wave instead.

Again, because Stealth Rock and Spikes likely won't be used, I would take away Tentacruel with his Rapid Spin. I would try replacing him with another Pokemon with Water Absorb, such as Lapras.
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I'd have to disagree. In double battles, counters to a certain Pokemon a always there. The amount of switching is actually increased, as each partner needs to cover up the resistants the opponent has, defensively, in a double battle, Pokemon cannot cover for each other as well as it is 2v2. Therefore, switches are absolutely nessary. Which makes Stealth Rock valuable. This team is offensive, and rain is meant to be an offensive weather. Water Absorb is useful, but you have Toxicroak to absorb water. I'd keep Tentacruel. But I would also but Tentacruel as a lead, as it helps spin away hazards others try to set up. Rapid Spin is even more useful becasue the opponent has a harder time to predict Rapid Spin.

Chinese Dood said:
One huge problem I see with this team is that it's too focused on water, so much that opposing rain teams may cause a problem, because you don't have anything that can take down opposing water types easily. If you don't want to change any of your pokemon around, I'd say you should at least let Roserade carry an attacking grass move to handle water types at least slightly better. Otherwise, I agree that Ludicolo (with an attacking grass move) would be nice to replace Roserade.

Oh also, Toxicroak will very very rarely have the time to swords dance. Fake Out is a way better option for free damage while preventing one opponent from attacking.

AND... you don't have any pokemon with Protect right now, which means when your Bronzong explodes it is going to take down its partner. You need to have protect on at least a couple of your pokemon in double.
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This is a rain dance team right? Water has only two main weaknesses, electric and grass. Water types, on the average has good defenses and attack. It is a balanced type to use offensively and defensively. If you play against a rain dance team, make sure that you have the Scizor. He makes a win or lose match. However, do not completly disregard Toxicroak. Toxicroak absorbs Toxic Spikes and water moves! I must agree that Toxicroak might not has the turn to effectively set up Swords Dance on 2v2, but it is viable. Ample prediction is needed. If not, replace Swords Dance with Protect, as mentioned. Or replace Toxicroak with Starmie. Starmie is a special sweeper, and does not lack defences. And can also absorb status, keep that in mind.

I know this is a bit critical...excuse me for it. ^^"
 
Phantasm said:
I would recommend never to use Stealth Rock in Doubles. To be honest, not a lot of switching is done, so the damage would be minimal. Try a Bronzong with Hypnosis or Thunder Wave instead.

Again, because Stealth Rock and Spikes likely won't be used, I would take away Tentacruel with his Rapid Spin. I would try replacing him with another Pokemon with Water Absorb, such as Lapras.
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I don't need another absorber and still think SR is useful.

Chinese Dood said:
One huge problem I see with this team is that it's too focused on water, so much that opposing rain teams may cause a problem, because you don't have anything that can take down opposing water types easily. If you don't want to change any of your pokemon around, I'd say you should at least let Roserade carry an attacking grass move to handle water types at least slightly better. Otherwise, I agree that Ludicolo (with an attacking grass move) would be nice to replace Roserade.

Oh also, Toxicroak will very very rarely have the time to swords dance. Fake Out is a way better option for free damage while preventing one opponent from attacking.

AND... you don't have any pokemon with Protect right now, which means when your Bronzong explodes it is going to take down its partner. You need to have protect on at least a couple of your pokemon in double.
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YOu might want to read my descriptions first and understand the fact its a rain dance team. So yeah don't post again ok =D?

Oh and Roserade can rape water pokes if you didn't notice.


@AoxoA going to do a few runs with this team and see how its turns out, if I notice an issue with my leads I'll ake your advice.
 
Oh yeah, would you like to battle me on Shoddy? I have a Rain Dance team, but it is a 1v1...eh...at least you can see how each poekmon individually works! ^^"

Yeah, for me, I have 1 wall pokemon on my team, even though it goes against the typicial all or nothing Rain Dance. Swampert might me a well thought out addition, as it carries a rather large movepool. I might reccomend....

Swampert @ Salac berry
Jolly
- Endeavor
- Earthquake / protect
- Waterfall
- Substitute

I ran this set, and IT WORKS AMAZING on 1v1...yes I said 1v1...but I'm almost positive this can work in a 2v2 environment. But you have to be a but extra careful! I'm jsut giving out suggestions to help broaden your horizons~

I'll keep on checking this thread out, and post helpful ideas...

@Adamco13
Yes, roserade can RAPE! x3
but, not to "rain on your parade" *WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...sorry bad joke...* Ludicolo can use swift swim to it's full advantage, and if you are "worried about toxic spikes" your toxicroak can take care of it, but roserade can also take away them too! Ludicolo is a TOTAL viable choice if you just don't wnat to go through all the hassel with IVs...which I give up on. :P

I forgot to put this on the other post, water types give water type attacks STAB, if you have STAB, rain, and a whole can of asswhoppin' then you have yourself a winner! A true rain dance team, would cover for those VERY two weaknesses, grass, electric. A typical choice would be...kingdra, and swampert. Water attacks are also very versitile, but since everyone has been abusing surf, WHICH YOU SHOULD! Water absorb pokemon ARE ALWAYS THERE, a famous example is Vaporeon... to counter...LUDICOLO! just use leech seed on the switch...and vappy will be baon passing leech seed...hahahaha

OMG, now that I think about it, if Vaporeon sets up a substitute, Roserade can't do much, as it will most likely be 1hko by the ice beam that Vaporeon carries...if you switched Roserade out...then Vaporeon has a turn to set up for it's other team mates...with wish, substitute, toxic...and etc... I don't know...try out Roserade

Since this is a 2v2 battle, which I sometimes forget...you can use my already mentioned Swampert! with Roserade. Ditch HP ground, and go with protect/ substitute. I thought of protect first mainly because I ALWAYS SEE Roserade do this arm crossy thing when he is on the screen...therefore...protect. Substitue helps block status that would halt Roserade's sweep...But the Swampert that I mentioned has substitute already. It might be a bit too drastic, but I would suggest you try them out!
oops...me ranting again... :P
 
@Adamco13: Lol, I'm not sure if you were serious. Obviously I know it's a rain dance team. I've run double rain dance teams before and know how they work. I'll say this again. Your team will have problems with OTHER rain dance teams because you are relying on water attacks too much. I.e. when I say that, I mean, if your opponent is ALSO using a rain dance team, with Ludicolo/Vaporeon/etc. in it, your team won't be able to just spam water attacks because they'll do little to no damage. Ice moves will do no damage too. THAT's why I suggested that in the least your Roserade should have a grass attack to deal with water types somewhat, but Ludicolo does a better job, because (other than having water STAB) Ludicolo is not weak to Ice Beam, which pretty much all water types can learn. The other advantage of Ludicolo is that it's 4x resistant to water as opposed to 2x for Roserade. Roserade with no HP/SD EVs can be 2HKO'd by water moves in the rain.

I do not agree with replacing Toxicroak. Toxicroak and Kingdra are pretty much the only pokemon that can combat with opposing rain teams.
 
Keep in mind that if you face another rain dance team, make sure THEY use the rain, and not you. Scizor is a good counter against other waters and tentacruel too, it has a humongous sp def and takes laughable damage from Ludicolo...

BTW, this is AoxoA
 
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@Adamco13: Lol, I'm not sure if you were serious. Obviously I know it's a rain dance team. I've run double rain dance teams before and know how they work. I'll say this again. Your team will have problems with OTHER rain dance teams because you are relying on water attacks too much. I.e. when I say that, I mean, if your opponent is ALSO using a rain dance team, with Ludicolo/Vaporeon/etc. in it, your team won't be able to just spam water attacks because they'll do little to no damage. Ice moves will do no damage too. THAT's why I suggested that in the least your Roserade should have a grass attack to deal with water types somewhat, but Ludicolo does a better job, because (other than having water STAB) Ludicolo is not weak to Ice Beam, which pretty much all water types can learn. The other advantage of Ludicolo is that it's 4x resistant to water as opposed to 2x for Roserade. Roserade with no HP/SD EVs can be 2HKO'd by water moves in the rain.

I do not agree with replacing Toxicroak. Toxicroak and Kingdra are pretty much the only pokemon that can combat with opposing rain teams.
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You're said too much water was my issues when I had two water Pokes so yeah didn't think you read it.

There are a large amount of moves that can combat other waters (explosion on Zong, Sucker Punch on toxicroack) the move doesn't need to be SE to deal with it.

I am chaning something soon and will update it when I have a chance however because I did see your point.

EDIT: Major update to the team:

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Timid Raikou @ Damp Rock
Natural Cure
- Thunder
- Rain Dance
- Shadow Ball
- Charge Beam
252 SpA / 252 Speed / 4 Hp​


I decided I was in need of an electric poke to take down other waters and such. Thunder always hits in rain and is 120 base, 180 after the STAB. He can set up rain dance if needd since I will have a relatively bulky version and he can survive a few hits anyways with his good defenses. Charge beam can greatly raise his SpA if needed.​
 
Personally, I don't see the advantages of Scizor... he doesn't really benefit from rain other than having fire's power reduced. Sure, he's great on any team, but wouldn't you rather use a raindance-oriented Pokemon? Roserade benefits from raindance slightly, but is also fine on its own.I would personally replace Scizor with Roserade or some other Pokemon that can use raindance to its own advantage, but that's just me.
 
In a ria dance team you cannot only rely on the rain. Sizor is there to kill dance counters and be helpful if the rain stops and I have no way to start it again.
 
Adamco, I'm going to create a water pokemon 2x battle team, mind if you can comment? And I think a jolteon? would be better? I don't know becsaue it gets volt absorb. Raikou is a gyarados counter... i dunno... O_o

anywho VISIT my up comming thread~!
 
Raikou does not need charge beam. There is no practical use for it, swap it out for more coverage with HP Ice/Fire.
 
Considering Charge Beam raises SpA that is a practical use. Also, I don't have one with Hp Ice or Fire and there are non in Smogon wifi and I refuse to hack one.
 
Changed a Poke on my team and a moveset so bump..

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Timid Starmie @ Life Orb
Natural Cure
- Surf
- Grass Knot
- Recover
- Ice Beam
252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 Hp​

I chose Starmie over Tentcruel for a few reasons. It hits harder and on PBR offense matters the most. It works better on a dance team because of more coverage. It can take out other water with Grass Knot. It has a recovery move, and I like Starmie more =P. ​
 
i really think you should use uxie instead of bronzong, just because its a lot bulkier, and faster, therefore being more efficent

Uxie HP: 75 def: 130 spD: 130 speed: 95 --- bronzong:HP: 67 Def: 116: spD: 116 speed: 33
those are the base stats of both pokes, uxie is superior in all of them :P.
 
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