Eating the Metagame Alive: A Joint OU RMT

[ObamaGirl]

At a Glance:

(Obama Girl: Because Shiny Latias and Togekiss PWN) (K-diddy: You betcha.)


I was busy laddering and insulting people in the main chat on Shoddy. I was about to leave when K-diddys Lanturn asked if someone wanted to help her with a team. I figured why not and decided to help, the end result is below. A team that is a bit gimmicky, but its record speaks for it self.

With K-diddys, the team has a record of 6-1, the lost was by 20% to a Shaymin (which you shall be seeing in a warstory soon enough). With me playing, the record so far has been 9-1, with the lost coming from someone who just played me a few minutes before.

There is one pokemon that K-diddy and I realize destroys this team and we hope you will help our team fight LO Jolteon and any other problems this team has. (Me and K-diddy aren't the best team builders ever)

Obama Girl's comments are in blue
K-diddy's comments are in red
Changes in bold

Empoleon (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 208 Spe / 252 SAtk / 48 SpD
Mild Nature (+ SAtk, - Def)
- Aqua Jet
- Grass Knot
- Stealth Rock
- Surf

Anti-lead Empoleon from the Creative Movesets Thread and I LOVE it. The Evs allow it to survive T-bolts from the defensive Starmie (a poke that loves to come in on this). The speed Evs let me hit 312 if tricked with a scarf, which actually allowed me to have an endgame sweep with Empoleon once.

Stealth Rock is obvious and a must on almost every team nowadays. Surf and Grass Knot are to deal damage for sweepers to come in later and Aqua Jet is for priority which is always nice. The Focus Sash is great if it can be kept intact and a counter comes in trying to kill Empoleon. They activate Torrent and get OHKO by Surf.

This Empoleon is a fantastic example of an ideal anti-lead: A good move for power, a back up coverage move, a priority for opposing sash bearers, and the classic Stealth Rock if the opponent tries to be clever with switches. My experience with this is that people think you’re a noob at first glance for using such an odd lead but it really catches them by surprise and ends up tearing apart their lead. Fun fun. :]

Salamence (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 80 Atk / 252 SAtk / 176 Spe
Rash Nature (+ SAtk, - SpD)
- Draco Meteor
- Flamethrower
- Brick Break
- Roost

Classic Mixmence. Only difference is Flamethrower over Fire Blast. Me and K-diddy both prefer accuracy and I haven't seen Flamethrower fail to KO something it should have.

Draco Meteor for powerful STAB. Flamethrower and Brick Break for coverage (and that annoying bug Scizor). Roost to give Salamence a bit of survivability.

You know how this works, you have seen it working, you have made it work. Salamence is most useful for breaking down walls that could hinder its teammates, and has Roost to recover from Life Orb damage and any Stealth Rocks.

Scizor (M) @ Shed Shell
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 76 Atk / 8 Spe / 176 SpD
Adamant Nature (+ Atk, - SAtk)
- Sword Dance
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Roost

That's right, a defensive Scizor, I bet you are all used to the CB variant (with the occasional SD version). Scizor is our best shot of dealing with Jolteon since it is the only one that doesn't get hit super effectively (and it still doesn't like Thunderbolt). Scizor has surprising bulk and is a good addition to the team.

Scizor is a great offensive pokemon, everyone knows that. However, few people use it for its walling abilities too, and on this team Scizor matches up nicely with Swampert resist-wise. It also gets revenge kills on a few pokes that could ruin my team. Roost is there for healing and Swords Dance is so I don’t sit around doing nothing.

I haven't done calculations yet but perhaps its SD Bullet Punch is enough to at least 2KO the threat that is LO Jolteon. Has a tendency to scare out Celebis although it cannot threaten them much.

Swampert (M) @ Rindo Berry
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 132 Def / 136 SAtk
Relaxed Nature
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Roar
- HP {Electric}

No STAB water attack. I am sure that is the first thing you noticed here. Roar is to find out more members of the opposing team early on. Earthquake for STAB and making the opponent think it is not the mix version (although it has become more common). The Evs give Swampy bulk on the physical side and a bit more power behind his special attacks. Swampert counters quite a few of this teams weaknesses.

Swampert, my answer to... a lot. HP Electric is there over the usual Surf because even though Swampert absolutely counters Gyarados I still want the serpent dead right away.

Togekiss (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 232 HP / 12 Def / 216 SpD / 48 Spe
Calm Nature
- Encore
- Wish
- T-wave
- Air Slash

Togekiss, one of the most haxxy (Is that a word?) pokes in the game. The Ev's allow Togekiss to take a hit to hopefully encore a move that doesn't touch Latias. Body Slam is to avoid being Taunt-bait and screens once again help Latias set-up.

Togekiss's entire role on this team is to make it easier for Latias to set-up.

Do not let its adorable looks fool you. This thing is possibly the second most annoying Pokemon after its Parahax brother. I usually start with Body Slam to get paralyze in quickly so the slower pokes can outrun and not care. Next I Encore if they try to set up or set up the screens if they switch.

Although the screens are incredibly convenient for my team, they are really for unleashing the final assassin...

Latias (F) @ Salac Berry
Ability: Levitate
IVs: HP 30
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spe / 4 Def
Timid Nature
- Substitute
- Calm Mind
- Dragon Pulse
- Surf

SubSalacCM Latias... We had decided that we wanted Latias on the team and it was K-diddy who came up with the idea of using this set. With a little help from Togekiss (Reflect is usually more important that Light Screen) Latias has an incredibly easy time setting up. Dragon Pulse for STAB and Surf for coverage (Although there might be a better choice for a move).

You look at this set, and you think "Ftw, any Pokemon in the game can pull off Sub+Berry+Boost!" However, no Pokemon has the resists, surprise factor, and pure kickass-ness of SubSalacCMLatias.

The point is to get Togekiss to set up the screens, and then switch in on one of the many things that are set up bait. Use Substitute right away, you will need it if your prediction is poor. Then, CM as they switch or try to break your sub. Repeat three more times, ideally getting at least 2-3 CMs, which should be relatively easy with Sub. Finally, activate your salac with your last Sub and terrorize the opponent’s team with 479 Speed, a Substitute, and 525 SAtk (and that’s with just a single CM.) In every one of my battles this has torn half the team or more. GG!


Well, that's our team. Thanks in advance for your comments.

 

[ObamaGirl]

Blissey - Salamence and Scizor's Brick Break, Latias could theoratically use it as set up bait if it doesn't have Seismic Toss.

Bronzong - It seems that there won't be many ways to take it out in a single hit, but i believe that Salamence's Flamethrower should do a lot, and it is set-up bait for Latias.

Celebi - Scizor bluffs it out, but actually dealing with it depends on the set. Ones without a grass move can be handled by Swampert, Scizor and Latias can set up on defensive ones, and offensive ones can be dealed with by Latias's good resists.

Cresselia - Another seemingly impenetrable wall, and another Pokemon piece of set-up bait for Latias. Swampert can take out or Roar out most sets, and I don't think there are many purely offensive Cresselia so that shouldn't be a problem.

Donphan - All of the Donphan sets I can think of are taken care of by Mixpert, but please correct me if I am wrong. I don't know because I simply see very few of them. Empoleon is good with its Torrented Surfs but Earthquake is a threat.

Dusknoir - As long as Latias can get a switch in on a move it resists, this is set up bait. Swampert could handle non-wisping variants, and Empoleon should hit hard with its STAB Torrent Surfs.

Forretress - Salamence and Latias if its not gonna blow up on the switch, but if it is, Empoleon is safer.

Gliscor - Swampert or Empoleon, non-Ice Fang/Crunch variants "could" be set up bait for Latias but I really don't like risking it on something as versatile as Gliscor.

Gyarados - Swampert pwns it all over. Togey can Body Slam for paralyze and Encore Dragon Dance, while setting up Reflect.

Hippowdon - Swampert or Empoleon, Empoleon has to look out for Earthquakes however.

Jirachi - Scarf Set can be dealt with by using Swampert, CM set can also be if I can get in Swampert early, and other sets I don't know about so notify me right away if there is something that was overlooked on this one.

Rotom-A - Latias calls this set up bait, but if it has Shadow Ball, Empoleon makes a strange but actually good counter. Empoleon can take a Thunderbolt and isn't left entirely helpless by a Tricked Specs/Scarf.

Skarmory - Latias can totally set up on this. Swampert's HP Electric if somehow Latias is KO'd prematurely.

Snorlax - Swampert can Roar it out if it has gotten several Curse boosts, and Band sets are doomed to outprediction or at least revenge killing. As to actually killing it, Salamence and Scizor can utilize their respective Brick Breaks.

Suicune - Latias claims many set up baits, including Cune. If Latias is not present, Swampert can Roar it out and Salamence can get a good Draco Meteor in on it before it CM's.

Swampert - Roar gets annoying, but Empoleon can survive an Earthquake with Focus Sash and KO back with Grass Knot. If Empoleon is gone, non-roarers can be set up on by Latias, dented by Mence, or Encored to a certain move by Togekiss.

Tentacruel - Swampert can take it out with EQ, but if not, then Latias can set up on it.

Tyranitar - Here is one of the more threatening pokes to my team, because of its versitality and threat to Latias. However, Scizor can take care of physical sets promptly, while Swampert handles mixed sets, and Empoleon could take advantage of special sets. Supporting sets are taken out by all three.

Vaporeon - Latias's favorite supper. Um, I mean set up bait. Empoleon and Swampy could handle it too.

Zapdos - You guessed it, depends on the set. Specs sets can be outpredicted, revenge killed, or Subbed up on by Latias. Tanking sets are Latias bait to the max.

Azelf - Leads can be taken care of by Empoleon Surf+Aqua Jet. Non leads can be handled the same way, however, they have a tendancy to be set up on by Latias aswell.

Breloom - Latias can set up a Sub against Spore while conveniantly resisting most of its attacks. Where have I seen that before?

Dragonite - Versitality killed the cat. Well, Dragonite is handled differently based on its moves. (Show me your moves! [sorry had to say that]) Specs special are outpredicted/revenge killed, Mix sets should be handled by Swampert, Scarf/Band ones are just like the Specs, and tanks can be set up on by (you guessed it) Latias.

Dugtrio - The only thing on this team it super effective and trapped by dugtrio is Empoleon, and Empoleon does love a good Aqua Jet in the morning. Most everything can get at this dude in some way or another.

Electivire - Swampert for physical, Latias on special, Swampert also for mixed. Simple as that.

Gallade - Empoleon can hurt it quite a bit if it has Sash and Surfs at it. Swampert counters every set I can think of, but I might not have thought of every set. Feel free to help me on this one.

Gengar - Specs takes it from good switching, LO may pose a problem but Swampert/Empoleon could stop it. For some reason if it is a slower set Latias can set up on it.

Heatran - Tran usually would come in on Mence's Flamethrower, but Mence could take care of non-scarf versions anyways with Brick Break. The team, as you can see, is not Heatran-friendly, and is countered by a lot of it. Scizor can switch out.

Heracross - Swampert. Togekiss. You know the drill. Swampert can Roar it out, while Togey can Paralyze (attack boost is not as threatening as it being fast).

Infernape - Latias, there you go. Latias outspeeds, can set up on it, and has Surf. Swampert is all clear if it lacks Grass Knot.

Jolteon - NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, BADLY! Specs Jolt can be outpredicted/revenged, and support Jolt is torn apart by Pert and Latias, but LO Jolteon... The only good counters to LO is if Latias has wracked up a few CMs or Scizor if it has gotten a SD boost. Please offer help on this one.

Kingdra - Latias/Salamence can hit it on the switch in or if it has no speed boosts, Swampert can handle Dragon Dancers, and in the Rain, Empoleon gets it good. Mixed sets are beaten by Empy as well.

Lucario - I have yet to see a Grass Knot Lucario, so Swampert is my answer to all physical and mixed sets. Special sets seem to be handled well by Latias, and Scarfers, you know how.

Machamp - Grrrr... I don't know about you but I have a grudge against this guy for winning against a different team of mine by confusion hax alone. I had both a Gyarados and Salamence too. He is handled decently by Empoleon if Empoleon has his Sash there, and can be set up on by Latias.

Magnezone - Swampert EQ, Salamence BB, Latias set up. The best part is that Scizor has a Shed Shell to escape for ones designed solely to defeat it, lulz.

Mamoswine - Physical/Band sets are walled by Pert. Endeavor sets are taken out by Empoleon or Scizor's priority moves. But there is a problem that borshkabor pointed out-Mixed Mamos. Help on LO Mixed Mamos would be appreciated.

Metagross - Swampert, death by EQ, Empoleon, death by Surf/Aqua Jet (assuming empoleon has sash)

Porygon-Z - Agility ones can be defeated by a Torrent boosted Empoleon Aqua Jet or a Scizor Bullet Punch. NP Subbers are hopefully switched into just as they Sub so Swampert can Roar them out. Dracoyoshi8 said there is a threat from a "Double Dance" set involving Agility and NP, but I rarely see those. Its nice if you can say a good counter though.

Salamence - Non-scarfers are defeated by Latias, and a Bandmence's Outrage doesn't KO Swampert who OHKO's in return with Ice Beam.

Scizor - Scizor simply cannot take a trio of Swampert, Empoleon, and Salamence. They all counter different movesets that it has, and Mence/Empoleon go for the kill with Flamethrower and Surf respectively.

Starmie - Empoleon is EV'd to take 3 hits from Rapid Spin Starmie's Thunderbolts and do a 2KO back with Grass Knot. Specs sets are revenge walled. LO sets are of concern. If you have suggestions for them please reply right away.

Togekiss - Swampert works against parahaxers and support sets, but NP sets get special abuse from the faster Latias and Salamence. Hustle sets, should they appear, are taken care of by Pert of course.

Weavile - Swampert walls every Weavile set. Empoleon is great against ones lacking Brick Break or Ice Shard. (Because of sash.)

Yanmega- Scizor is probly the best option, resisting or being neutral to its usual attacks, however, it can't do much back until it has a few SD's. Quite honestly, I do not know much about Yanmega so feel free to point out things I missed.


And now, a message from K-diddy!
I probably missed one or two, Obama Girl said he got this from somewhere and I noticed it had three or four of some pokemon. Look at the ones that the team has problems with and please come up with suggestions. I would prefer you pm'ing me on Shoddy Battle's Smogon server since I am on there more often, but I am not sure about Obama Girl. Seeya yall!

 

[-Zer0-]

I can get in depth later, but it seems like your team doesn't know its place.

It's certainly not a stall team, and there is one poke there that has a shot at sweeping and that is Latias.

The team is definitely defensive. With a defensive (stall, usually) team the way to win is to wear down your opponent. You have stealth rock, but that's usually not enough. No one statuses, so that's not an option, it will be very rare that you can win by stalling, if it ever happens.

So stall won't work, so let's look at the offensive options: Salamence (just draco meteoring over and over), Empoleon I suppose, but most importantly Latias. With dual screen support it makes some sense that he can set up. If he does set up lategame, then you can win if your opponent doesn't have a swampert with roar, an empoleon or something along those lines. Let's say you try to set up with latias, and it fails. You can try to keep dracoing and running with mence, you could try to hit something with empoleon if it has survived, but ultimately you can't do a lot of damage. Things like rock polish rhyperior, agiligross, a zone that got a sub on scizor, will destroy you lategame after a few of your pokes have been taken out.

Basically, an offensive team can rip this apart, and I doubt a stall team will have trouble either.

I could be completely wrong because I didn't look too far into it anyway.

 

[ObamaGirl]

By the time Latias comes out 2-3 of the opponents pokes have been killed. I don't know about K-diddy but Empoleon always makes it to the late-game when I play.

If Latias dies in the middle of the sweep, Empoleon can come back in Torrent range and clean up with Boosted Surfs or Aqua Jets if its faster. Swampert can hit pokemon from both sides of the spectrum and take hits. You already discussed Salamence (I wouldn't just keep spamming Draco Meteor however). Scizor can SD on the switch since most players will be expecting CB (and I can take advantage of that).

I don't see nor have I experienced a lack of offensive power.

If you see something I don't though, could you explain it better?

 

[Anacrusis]

I know it has a wierd build, looking semi-offensive, semi-defensive, but its neither in a way. Its more built around building up Latias for a sweep rather than doing anything else. Please do look into it a bit, you will see it counters quite a bit. However, help on the Life Orb Jolteon issue would be great. Oh, and Obama Girl, I'll do the threat list section, but I can't edit your post X_x.

And BTW, Scizor has shed shell. Magnezone may get a sub up but not much else. SR is for helping with kills, not for stalling. That is why there are such things as suicide leads. Finally, any team falls doom to something or another once its counters are knocked out. You said after 2-3 pokemon are knocked out it's doomed. Well, can you build a team with 3 pokemon that can counter everything? And we are not experts you know :)
Thanks for commenting. (Aquamentus should have a warstory involving this team up and running soon.)

 

[Anacrusis]

Er, do you think Cress could go over Togekiss for the screens? I noticed that LO mix Mamoswine could pose a problem, on top of LO Jolteon. It conveniantly counters the set uppers that Zero mentioned too.

I would like more comments and rates, I just wanna make the team good!

EDIT: Mixape is countered by Cress too.

 

[Jibaku]

Your EVs need to be fixed.

First of all never run max HP on Scizor. Stealth Rock says hi and 344 HP Sciz is actually worse than 343 HP Sciz in 2 switch ins.

Swampert wants Relaxed with
240 HP / 132 Def / 136 SA
It gives you 401 HP / 273 Def / 239 SA, whereas your spread yields the same HP and SA but with 3 points less Defense

Togekiss wants Careful with
252 HP / 104 Def / 154 SDef
It yields 374 HP / 254 Def / 334 SDef
Your spread yields the same HP and Def but 9 points less Special Defense

Mess around with these as you see fit

 

[PaidAssassin]

Give Swamp a grass-type resist berry (too lazy to look up names) and there's your Jolteon counter.

Also, I have used CSSalamence to great extent. They probably will think you are running SpecsMence once they see your special move + no recoil, but when it comes to revenge killing, they may lose - alot. MixApe, DDGyara, Gengar, (Scarf)tran, even their own Adamant DDMence. These all can do some sort of damage to Latias, so it may be very beneficial to run one of these.

SET:
Salamence@Scarf
Naughty Nature
252 Atk, 80 SpA, 176 Spe.
~Outrage
~Earthquake
~Fire Blast
~Draco Meteor

Dragon+Ground+Fire is perfect type coverage. Outrage is more tailored to cleaning up, Draco Meteor rips holes in things and gives up the guise of a SpecsMence (Yay!). Blissey hates taking Outrages and Heatran Earthquakes.

EVs 2HKO with Outrage with SR. Speed results in 280 before the Scarf Boost, which means it outspeeds +1 Neutral/Base 90's.

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The guise of suprise is your foe's demise.

 

[Anacrusis]

Thank you Jibaku, I'll get Obama Girl to change that.
Any comments on LO Jolteon?

Lol, I didn't think of the type resist berry thing. I might have to try that, PaidAssasin. That Scarfmence is interesting too, I'll test that out. Thank you all for your comments!

 

[ObamaGirl]

Thank you Jibaku, I'll get Obama Girl to change that.
Any comments on LO Jolteon?

Lol, I didn't think of the type resist berry thing. I might have to try that, PaidAssasin. That Scarfmence is interesting too, I'll test that out. Thank you all for your comments!

I think the Grass resist berry is a great idea and gets rid of our Jolteon weakness. I like it.

I am sure about Scarf Mence, I will talk to K-diddy about it

 

[Star Shaper]

Looks like Jibaku beat me to the EV fixes.

In addition to the EV changes, Latias wants an HP IV of 30 with that extra point in from EVs Def/SpD. This allows Latias' to be at 25% when the Salac Berry activates, and survive a possible aqua jet or mach punch, as well as not die to SS damage.

As for Togekiss, I don't see the Screens aiding in Latias' actual sweep. Both reflect and light screen won't make a difference in whether Scizor/Tyranitar stop your sweep. What your really trying to do is weaken them so that you can beat them; A physical sweeper will always be able to break the Sub and a Latias already has an innate special bulk with her. I suggest this set for Togekiss

Togekiss@Leftovers
Nature: Calm
Ability: Serene Grace
232 HP/12 Def/48 Spe/216 SpD
• Air Slash
• Thunder Wave
• Encore
• Wish/Roost

The EVs allow for the maximum leftovers number + 1, allowing Togekiss to switch into Stealth Rock 5 times if necessary. The SpD EVs obtain the extra point. The Spe EVs allow Togekiss to get in on a RestCM Suicune and Encore it, seeing as how you really don't have a clear cut way to beat it. The Def EVs help him take Physical hits lightly better, but they can go anywhere besides HP. This Togekiss will never be OHKOd by a +2 LO Flamethrower off Infernape after Stealth Rock damage, nor a Close Combat off the same Mixape. Wish keeps your Swampert and Latias healthy since you will be depending on Swampert to counter a lot of threats and Latias is your primary counter to Infernape assuming it doesn't U-Turn.

Looking at things I can see that a defensive Wish/U-Turn Jirachi would work well in Togekiss' place as well. Thunder Wave or Body Slam/Iron Head/Wish/U-Turn would keep the rest of your members healthy. It also gives you a check to Tyranitar provided you make it's Atk about 260 to 2HKO and enough Spe to be faster before any Dragon Dance or speed boosts. Jirachi's typing complements Salamence's as a plus.

As for Scizor, I can see where you're going with Brick Break, but I still feel U-Turn is better. It keeps up your tempo and gives you a considerably safe switch into Latias and Celebi.

 

[Anacrusis]

Yay another comment!
Sounds good to me Star Shaper, EV help is always helpful! :)
That Scoutachi comment is interesting, but I have a feeling the team will stay with Togekiss, however, we can change it to the Togey that you posted, because you are right, screens haven't done too much to help yet. Wish is dually useful, since Pert has been having a few issues with staying healthy. And about the U-turn thing on Scizor, I guess you're right, but I feel bad putting any Swords Dance boosts to waste. Could X-Scizzor work instead? Thank you muches! :D

 

[ObamaGirl]

Yay another comment!
Sounds good to me Star Shaper, EV help is always helpful! :)
That Scoutachi comment is interesting, but I have a feeling the team will stay with Togekiss, however, we can change it to the Togey that you posted, because you are right, screens haven't done too much to help yet. Wish is dually useful, since Pert has been having a few issues with staying healthy. And about the U-turn thing on Scizor, I guess you're right, but I feel bad putting any Swords Dance boosts to waste. Could X-Scizzor work instead? Thank you muches! :D

I like that Togekiss and will add it tomorrow. Scoutachi does not sound great to me and I prefer U-turn over X-scissor.

 

[Anacrusis]

Use U-turn if you want, I am gonna test X-scissor okay?

 

[reyscarface]

LO Jolteon isnt a problem for your team, seeing how Shadow Ball does a max of around 65%~ to your Latias, which means you can play around with Jolteon and get a Salac Boost + Calm Mind to kill it and potentially sweep the rest of the team.

 

[Royal]

Swampert actually wants 236 HP/216 Def/56 SpA.

It gets maximum lefties recovery, and a jump point in defense.

Swampert doesn't need that much SpA unless it has Surf or Hydro Pump. You really won't be using Special attacks unless you are hitting super-effective, so the extra investment goes to waste. Swampert will benefit from the defense more than it will the SpA.

 

[Anacrusis]

LO Jolteon isnt a problem for your team, seeing how Shadow Ball does a max of around 65%~ to your Latias, which means you can play around with Jolteon and get a Salac Boost + Calm Mind to kill it and potentially sweep the rest of the team.

That is a huge relief Rey, thanks for that calc.

Um, look at the counters section. Swampy needs those SPatt EVs. But help making it more effeciant is greatly accepted.

 

[ObamaGirl]

Bump

 

[Anacrusis]

Obama Girl, I just noticed that, due to the move change on Togekiss, we need to redo Togeys comments. It is still talking about screens.

EDIT: Oh, almost forgot, go ahead and slap on U-turn to Scizor's set. I haven't finished testing X-Scissor yet so I will fill you in on that as soon as possible.

 

[Royal]

Where on your threat list does Swampert need the SpA specifically? It doesn't.

Your threat list is glitchy anyway, Swampert isn't a Togekiss counter! It can only do 16ish% to a SpD one (the supporter/paraflinch kind) so the drop really isn't signifigant. It still 1HKO's Salamence and Gyarados; there really isn't a case I can find where the SpA is helping you.

Feel free to prove me wrong, I guess.

 

[Thorns]

Empoleon isn't a great lead. Azelf and Aerodactyl STILL get Rocks up and you don't since something else will switch in and stop you. If you really want to stop leads, use a TrickScarf Jirachi with Iron Head/Trick/Stealth Rock/U-turn.

I'm uncomfortable with the Swampert. Why does it have HP Electric - Gyarados is the one that counters Swampert. If you're fighting a BulkyDos you won't even OHKO as well. I would swap it for Protect or Hydro Pump. Hydro Pump means you can take on Rotom-athat'snotmower very well.

Next is Scizor. You're not running Superpower, which isn't very smart. You don't need to use U-turn if you have Roost, especially since you don't even have at least 100 EVs in Attack. This doesn't make much sense, but trust me, you want to be able to touch Steel types.

I think you underestimate the threat of Machamp. It has Payback to hit Latias for a lot of damage. Your only hope is to get lucky with Togekiss, or Trick it a Scarf from Jirachi (which hopefully you'll use).

To recap, Jirachi over Empoleon, Protect/Hydro Pump over HP Electric on Swampert and Superpower over U-turn on Scizor.

 

[Anacrusis]

I doubt Obama Girl is gonna want Jirachi over Empoleon any more than I do, because we want one more good Dark resist besides Scizor, and a less importaint issue, the team loses a touch of its uniqueness. I am still shaky about the Swampert thing, because we don't have much countering Gyarados otherwise, but I guess Hydro Pump and Protect would do. Say, what sort of EV's would you use on the Hydro Pump set? And what would Protect go over? Roar is kind of essential otherwise we would have no other way of stopping certain stat uppers from getting too far. Scizor is supposed to be more defensive, but if you look at the above comments it was given U-turn to do more to the likes of Celebi and Latias. I personally wanted to use X-Scissor but whatever. Me and Obama Girl can make changes, but we wanna also make sure we are not trading one problem for another. I hope you understand. BTW thank you all for commenting!

Your threat list is glitchy anyway, Swampert isn't a Togekiss counter! It can only do 16ish% to a SpD one (the supporter/paraflinch kind) so the drop really isn't signifigant. It still 1HKO's Salamence and Gyarados; there really isn't a case I can find where the SpA is helping you.

Sorry for the mistake, I ain't no expert. >_< 1KO's Salamence with what EV's? I think you meant none but I am nervous about that interpretation. Also, HP Electric is meant to 2KO even with the current EV's, so I don't know where you are pulling this OHKO out of. I'll ask Obama if he or I can change the Togekiss thing.

EDIT: <==We need to do this to some of the pokemon's comments Obama Girl, especially Togey's, whose comments are still talking Body Slam.

 

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Before this RMT dies, I reckon you should keep the EVs on Swampert. Use EITHER Roar or Hydro Pump, you need the other moves.
Jirachi IS better than Empoleon, but if Empoleon is your must-have Pokemon then whatever.