Beware of the Ninja.....sk

[Hugendugen]

I've made a Ninjask lead Uber team for Shoddy and was looking for some advice to perfect it. It's been doing pretty well, but has a few weaknesses. Now, please comment, rate and suggest changes. Here it is:

Ninjask@ Focus Sash- Jolly Nature
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 176 HP / 252 Atk / 80 Spe
~ Sword Dance
~ Baton Pass
~ X Scissor
~ Protect
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This guy is awesome. It Protects, Sword Dances, Protects and then Baton Passes, or if it is against a taunter, which is normally Psychic or Dark, it uses an X Scissor or two to take them out. If I predict an Extremespeed, I try to Baton Pass as quickly as possible (Protect then Baton Pass). Preferably, it Baton Passes to Rayquaza which can sweep away. I am also considering a Substitute version, but would like your opinion

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Goudon@ Life Orb- Adamant Nature
Ability: Drought
EVs: 112 HP / 252 Atk / 20 Def / 124 Spe
~ Rock Polish
~ Earthquake
~ Dragon Claw
~ Stone Edge
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If I'm predicting a Thunder from a SpecsOgre or ScarfOgre or other moves that would let me survive two rounds, I switch in Groudon and use Rock Polish. Then use Earthquake, Dragon Claw and Stone Edge to sweep. I could Baton Pass to this guy, but I think Rayquaza would be better. I'd like your opinion on that.

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Rauquaza@ Life Orb- Jolly Nature
Ability: Air Lock
EVs: 32 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD / 216 Spe
~ Dragon Dance
~ Outrage
~ Earthquake
~ Extremespeed
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It is awesome for priority with Extremespeed and if it gets a chance to Dragon Dance it is an absolutely lethal sweeper, using Outrage mainly, but also Earthquake to tear entire teams apart, in some cases. Once it receives Sword Dance and Speed Boost from Ninjask, it is almost invicible and hopefully the main sweeper of my team.

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Wobbuffet@ Leftovers- Calm Nature
Ability: Shadow Tag
EVs: 28 HP / 228 Def / 252 SpD
~ Encore
~ Counter
~ Mirror Coat
~ Safeguard
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Great for taking out annoying sweepers, with Counter and Mirror Coat and Mix-sweepers with Encore and then one of the two. Safeguard keeps the rest of the team safe status inflictions, especially from Giratina's Will o'Wisp which can be a pain when it comes to Groudon or Rayquaza or from Darkrai's Dark Void which is always a pest. Encore is also awesome to allow one of my sweepers a free turn to set up.

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Kyogre@ Choice Specs- Timid Nature
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
~ Water Spout
~ Ice Beam
~ Surf
~ Thunder
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It pretty much explains itself. It can survive a pretty big special attack and is awesome to switch in if expecting a water moves. It can kill most Kyogre and Lugia with Thunder, it is able to take out most dragons with Ice Beam and has Water Spout to absolutely dominate when at full health and Surf when it is not. I am also considering a ScarfOgre with Modest nature. I'd like to know what you think about that.

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Dialga@ Choice Scarf- Modest Nature
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
~ Draco Meteor
~ Dragon Pulse
~ Aura Sphere
~ Flamethrower
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This is mainly my Rayquaza counter. It can switch into most of its attacks and survive. The vital thing is to get it in before Rayquaza can Dragon Dance. If it does this, then it can kill it with a Dragon Pulse. Dialga has Aura Sphere to deal with Darkrai and other Dialga and, finally, Flamethrower takes care of Foretress and Jirachi, which otherwise screw this team over. I'm considering switching this guy with Scarf Palkia or ScarfChomp, which have more speed. Please comment on that.

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I have a bit of trouble with Scarf Palkia, ScarfChomp, Scarf Mewtwo, Darkrai and Giratina. If you have any suggestions to help against those please tell me. Actually, I'd really like a Darkrai in this team but don't know how to fit it in. Anyway, get rating.

 

[Dave]

I don 't have a lot of time to rate right now but i'll quickly say this..go ahead and run modest on kyogre..the speed isn't needed. as for the groudon spread, i believe more speed needs to be added.

 

[Hugendugen]

I don 't have a lot of time to rate right now but i'll quickly say this..go ahead and run modest on kyogre..the speed isn't needed. as for the groudon spread, i believe more speed needs to be added.

so no scarf for kyogre?

 

[muna]

On Ninjask you might want to run substitute over protect. It allows you to beat lead Darkrai (both trick and sash versions). It is not like SR or sandstorm is as common as ubers as in OU so the -25% HP per sub won't hurt you as badly as you might think.

 

[VKCA]

You might want to put SD on raquaza, as it already has extreme speed and you are passing boosts to it. How often do you get the baton pass off to him?

 

[Hugendugen]

On Ninjask you might want to run substitute over protect. It allows you to beat lead Darkrai (both trick and sash versions). It is not like SR or sandstorm is as common as ubers as in OU so the -25% HP per sub won't hurt you as badly as you might think.

I agree, sub is really good and is awesome if i get to baton pass it as an added bonus. However, from experience, although your right about the whole sandstorm thing, i find that stealth rock is quite common. This is especially true when it comes to deoxys-s (the arch-nemesis of this Ninjask), who has taunt, stealth rock and spikes. I might go with sub though, i'm not sure yet.

 

[Hugendugen]

You might want to put SD on raquaza, as it already has extreme speed and you are passing boosts to it. How often do you get the baton pass off to him?

hmmm, its actually reasonably common, although some leads can be really annoying (deoxys and darkrai). dragon dance is good for an outrage sweep but yeah, i'm seriously considering SD.

 

[mc2094]

SD will allow ray to sweep much more easily and if you get the boost as often as you say then go ahead and give him SD over DD. Even without the speed boost he can sweep fairly well by using encore with wobba. If you do give him SD then consider Dragon Claw as it does enough damage to KO Chomp and enemy Rayquaza after a SD and prevents you from being locked against groudon who you can handle by switching to Kyogre. Definatley give Kyogre Modest as it will let Water Spout do the most possible damage and your not outrunning anything important with timid. I know ninjask helps but I feel a more useful lead would be better since ninjask is a one time use due to SR being used far more often. You wanted a Darkrai so try this:

Darkrai@Choice Scarf
4 HP/ 252 SAtk/ 252 Spd
-Trick
-Dark Pulse
-Dark Void
-Focus Blast

Trick will cripple most leads such as deoxys who will usually get locked into taunt. SR leads will be forced to switch out and then you can use dark void on the switch, that way you would have crippled two of your opponents poke. Dark Pulse for STAB and to hit psychics. Focus Blast allows better coverage. Ttar lead isn't as common so you could use something to provide better coverage or Nasty Plot. Scarfrai is quite common nowadays and you can always use an anti-lead or something like deoxys.

I think scarfpalkia will be better than dialga. You lose a draon resist but palkia can benefit from Kyogre and Groudon's abilities. Palkia can counter DDray and your Groudon can take SD variants down as long as it hasn't taken too much damage already. I'd like to fit Scizor in here in place of someone, possibly Groudon. He has scouting, Priority, Dragon-resist, and Trapping ability that works great against psychics locked into an attack due to encore. If you run an SR lead then Rayquaza is weak enough for bullet punch. Its up to you though since you will have 3 Choice users and it depends on how well you can play with that.

 

[Hugendugen]

SD will allow ray to sweep much more easily and if you get the boost as often as you say then go ahead and give him SD over DD. Even without the speed boost he can sweep fairly well by using encore with wobba. If you do give him SD then consider Dragon Claw as it does enough damage to KO Chomp and enemy Rayquaza after a SD and prevents you from being locked against groudon who you can handle by switching to Kyogre. Definatley give Kyogre Modest as it will let Water Spout do the most possible damage and your not outrunning anything important with timid. I know ninjask helps but I feel a more useful lead would be better since ninjask is a one time use due to SR being used far more often. You wanted a Darkrai so try this:

Darkrai@Choice Scarf
4 HP/ 252 SAtk/ 252 Spd
-Trick
-Dark Pulse
-Dark Void
-Focus Blast

Trick will cripple most leads such as deoxys who will usually get locked into taunt. SR leads will be forced to switch out and then you can use dark void on the switch, that way you would have crippled two of your opponents poke. Dark Pulse for STAB and to hit psychics. Focus Blast allows better coverage. Ttar lead isn't as common so you could use something to provide better coverage or Nasty Plot. Scarfrai is quite common nowadays and you can always use an anti-lead or something like deoxys.

I think scarfpalkia will be better than dialga. You lose a draon resist but palkia can benefit from Kyogre and Groudon's abilities. Palkia can counter DDray and your Groudon can take SD variants down as long as it hasn't taken too much damage already. I'd like to fit Scizor in here in place of someone, possibly Groudon. He has scouting, Priority, Dragon-resist, and Trapping ability that works great against psychics locked into an attack due to encore. If you run an SR lead then Rayquaza is weak enough for bullet punch. Its up to you though since you will have 3 Choice users and it depends on how well you can play with that.

Should I change Rayquaza's EVs then to give it more or less speed, because I find it to be quite fragile (ie. dies after lugia's ice beam). Darkrai is interesting, it loses the speed boost, but from experience against it, it can be cripplng to a team.

 

[mc2094]

Run the standard 4 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spd spread. Lugia isn't as common as it used to be and when factoring in SR and LO you will most likely faint to ice beam either way.