fetus is greek for "with child."
Really? because in English it means "The unborn young of a viviparous vertebrate having a basic structural resemblance to the adult animal." Unborn? kinda resembles an adult? How do you go from that to "infant"?
Even if what you said was even remotely relevant, when was the last time we based scientific opinion on the etymology of a word?
Hard work is what pulls people out of poverty. It was done for centuries with people getting pregnant at 15 and 16. This is where the fundamental difference in opinions lies:
Right, so when a 22 year old poor woman is trying to work and get out of poverty, forcing them into motherhood if they make a mistake is definitely the right solution!
There are people who believe that poverty is a greater evil than death, and then there are people who believe death is a greater evil than poverty. So it goes that people will sacrifice anything for the almighty dollar, even their own children. Living a humble life is antithetical to the decadant liberal, and so anything that might decrease decadence must be destroyed, literally if need be.
Yes, exactly. You see a potential-birthee as a worker that is going to help lower your taxes 18 years down the road. I see a person and a mother that has to endure a life of hardship because you can't get off your moral high horse.
The choice to kill their child? Why is that a legitimiate choice to begin with? By what moral authority does anyone proclaim the right to take someone else's life, a life they created in nearly all cases by mutual consent.
It's not a child yet, which is why I think potential-birthee should become the new standard. If people were actually killing their children, I think more people would be against abortion.
In an accidental pregnancy, they are not consenting to have children, they are consenting to have sex. For some reason you oppose big government except when it comes time to tell people what to do in their own homes.
No jrrr, that's what abortion proponents believe: you are the one trying to build a straw men by putting words in your opponents mouths. You are the only one who has proposed the idea.
So go on jrrrr, tell us. Are women who get pregnant and seek abortions sluts? Don't put words in my mouth, tell me honestly. If a 15 year old girl shows up pregnant at Planned Parenthood for an abortion is she just a slut who can't use birth control?
Did you seriously just post this? What the hell do you THINK? Obviously a 15 year old girl who shows up at planned parenthood for an abortion needs all the help she can get.
And actually, you DID say that these girls are "sexually irresponsible". That usually implies "harlot" or "slut" or some other term like that. I'm sorry that I didn't sugarcoat your argument as much as you did.
I am pretty much outraged that you would even ask a question like this. These aren't people who are just going and killing potential-birthees willy-nilly. Abortion is a serious decision that hurts a lot of people emotionally no matter what choice is made.
Or people like jrrr who have no argument but to criticize some outside other? Christians line up outside the door of people like this in need. Pro-choicers like your lot thrust them in the abortion room, rend their child, and pat themselves on the back for not being like those "hypocritical neocons" and "religious fanatics."
Lining up outside the door of people in need? That is definitely not always the case. People bomb abortion clinics =\
And while not every neoconservative and religious person is guilty of this, they are certainly the main culprit in the anti-abortion stigma of "sexual irresponsibility"
The American Medical Association has deemed abortion as never medically necessary.
And what does that have to do with the fact that a poor woman living below the poverty line literally can not afford to have a child? And btw, the AMA went against Pres. Bush when he made the conscience rule...so obviously they arent as anti-abortion as youre making it out to be
No one has forced them into their situation but themselves. That is why we need to actually help them, not pretend that just by killing their child we have done due diligence. That isn't caring for the downtrodden, its a lazy and vile cop-out.
Like I said already, I would never encourage someone to get an abortion. However, it is not the "lazy" way out. What a ridiculous notion. Portraying it as such is a huge disservice to the people who struggle with this topic every day.
Where is your compassion jrrr, or did that concept stop when it wasn't the government writing the check? It is a very shallow well of compassion indeed if it cannot extend to both mother and child. While your concern for their poverty is heart-wrenching it disturbs me you'll sacrifice the absolute life on one to prevent the potential poverty of both.
It's not the absolute life, a fetus is not a child no matter how much you pray for it to be. There is no sacrifice of a potential-birthee.
