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The majority of homophobic people who hide behind the words 'just have a problem with' are usually straight but have slight gay feelings that scare them. Therefore you will find that straight men discriminate against gay men and straight women will discriminate against gay women.

There way no choice in my being gay, science has proven that it is in fact genetic.

What really irritates me is to see well educated people post pretentious posts with floral vocabulary which reels in the indecisive who would usually not bother with the sexuality debate.

There is no laws that discriminate against gay people, only mindless comments and closed minded views, which leads to victimisation and therefore discrimination.

Please keep in mind the young people who will be reading this post and how easily swayed they are.
 
Release said:
The majority of homophobic people who hide behind the words 'just have a problem with' are usually straight but have slight gay feelings that scare them. Therefore you will find that straight men discriminate against gay men and straight women will discriminate against gay women.
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Why are people allowed to say things like this when there is absolutely no proof or evidence.. Really man? You know the psychological reasonings of the majority of homophobic people? I'm sure you make a lot of money. Can you provide me with some of your research papers?

Thanks.
 
Justin8649 said:
Why are people allowed to say things like this when there is absolutely no proof or evidence.. Really man? You know the psychological reasonings of the majority of homophobic people? I'm sure you make a lot of money. Can you provide me with some of your research papers?

Thanks.
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I was intrigued by this and did some googling. It turns out that there is actually some evidence that homophobia can arise as a reaction formation against latent homosexual urges: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014?dopt=Citation. Obviously it is far from conclusive or indicative of a majority of homophobes, but it is certainly interesting.
 
Justin8649 said:
Why are people allowed to say things like this when there is absolutely no proof or evidence.. Really man? You know the psychological reasonings of the majority of homophobic people? I'm sure you make a lot of money. Can you provide me with some of your research papers?

Thanks.
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Your asking for proof? when so many on this conversation have just flung out facts and figures too. Maybe you should question them. If you want proof there was a study on homophobia which now I believe is posted on youtube. And other proof if you look through these comments as I have done you will also find that view.

This was from burzum ''I'm with Deck Knight on this one homosexuals just have this gay inferiority complex where if they don't have something up their ass (hand, dildo, dick, pickle) they get crabby. I'm perfectly fine with lesbians though.''

And in my experience as a gay person I have always fount that men are the ones who are homophobic to me not women.
 
Deck Knight said:
Are you the personification of homosexuality in human form? No. Then you aren't a cancer, just like unless you can find me the personification of alcoholism (Ted Bundy?), that person is not a cancer either. To pretend homosexual activity, such as it is, has no adverse health effects is denial of the highest order. We treat homosexual suicide as a symptom of discrimination, not homosexuality itself. Whenever there is a dysfunction it is always, always blamed on the actions or words of an outside other. Back before everyone started calling themselves bi and experimenting with everything that moved, AIDS was a vastly more prevalent disease among homosexuals. Was this also because of discrimination? Or was it because hey, you build your identity around who you fuck you do a whole hell of a lot more fucking? I'd rather we abolish this entire gay/straight nonsense (hell, identity politics itself can hit the road). Sexual activity is something you do, not who you are, and we should generally reward sexual activities that are conducive to society. Marriage as currently constituted does that, although it'd do a hell of a lot better if we abolished no-fault divorce.
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Errr... How is suicide not a 'symptom of discrimination'? One of the only reasons a homosexual might kills themselves is because society told them, and nagged them about their sexuality deeming them disgusting little fuck-ups who had severe problems. Women aren't anorexic just because their women, it's pressure from mass media and society. Such a shame.

Please correct me if I'm wrong (If I'm right holy hell you're stupid) but did you just blame the spread of AIDS on homosexuality? You do know that HIV/AIDS spread commonly through homosexual sex because back then condoms were only used to stop from getting pregnant, so gay men 99% of the time did it without protection, because they thought there was no point.

Also @ everyone who was saying 'IT'S NATURAL FOR MEN AND WOMEN TO FUCK THOSE ORGANS WERE MADE TO PROCREATE HOW CAN PEOPLE HAVE SEX AND NOT MAKE BABIES SO UNNATURAL' (DK you somewhat said this yourself with the 'penis + vagina' comment in the other thread), do you really expect me to believe that everytime a man and a woman have sex they have the mindset to create a baby? A lot of people have had sex dozens of times, and avoided making babies.

Well, well. That's just damn misuse of a penis and vagina.

Agreeing with Jrrrrr and that guy with the Meowth avatar, I HATE, ABSOLUTELY LOATH WITH AN INTENSE BURNING PASSION the flamboyant femimine gay stereotype. It's not as if all gay guys (Probably most) even act like that, they act like guys (They just prefer some dick). Gay cinema is a piece of shite because of the way they prefer to protray gay men (Unlike let's say Get Real, or Brokeback Mountain). (This is all from a bisexual guys point of view).
 
Deck Knight said:
We treat homosexual suicide as a symptom of discrimination, not homosexuality itself. Whenever there is a dysfunction it is always, always blamed on the actions or words of an outside other.
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I don't know, the times I've wanted to kill myself I'm sure it's because I felt utterly rejected by society and not because I had a hankering for some cock in my mouth.

I dislike people using an identity to seek attention as much as you do, but some of the shit you're saying is just beyond ignorant.
 
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Can you feel the burning discrimination? America is forcing gay men and lesbians to be fabulously wealthy against their will. You aren't in an aggrieved class, you're just overly emotional and can't stand it when the facts don't add up to discrimination. Maybe homosexuality causes a hormonal imbalance that leads to suicide. Maybe the damage over time of anal scarring and feelings of pain, emptiness, and brokenness does it. Maybe all of the other things associated with the generally more voracious and reckless sexual appetites of homosexuals is what gets them in trouble. Maybe instead of looking outward to transfix your blame on the 90% of us who don't shack-up with samey you could look into your own community for answers.

Homosexuals have become just another lefty victim class demanding free food at the trough of the grievance-mongers. One wonders what they have to be so proud about when they make their living crying injustice and woe is them. One wonders why they go on violent rampages against the religious when they don't get their way through legislation, as happened to several Mormons after the passage of Prop 8, and then complain when no one takes their crusade for "justice" seriously anymore.

To be blunt jrrrrrrr, the homosexual grievance-monger is just another regular old asshole to me, and he can go fuck himself seeing as he enjoys it so much.
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I'd just like to pick at this one post, but can you cut the patronizing bullshit? I don't quiet understand why in your argument you feel the desire to constantly take unnecessary jabs at homosexuals, I really dislike your style.
 
Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide
No escape from reality.
Open your eyes
Look up to the skies and see:
I'm just a homo boy
I need no sympathy;
Because I'm easy come, easy go,
A little high, little low,
Anyway the wind blows, doesn't really matter to me

Bane, I said it does not matter if it is a choice or not yesterday! Technically, the way I understand it to matter for Christians is that if it is not a choice, they must resist the sin (be homosexual and not fuck, or something), whereas if it is merely free will, then they are errant and have to learn the error of the way.
 
I am a Christian, and although I think homosexuality is wrong, I don't hate gays like some people do. My personal belief that I think a lot of Christians share is that people are born with tendencies to homosexuality, but God creates them that way so they have a challenge in life to overcome, just like the guy who's born wanting to steal or the girl who's born lying to everyone she meets. Of course He wouldn't create someone to be instantly damned to hell, at least I don't think so. But I think a lot of Christians see it as a choice you have to make, and the right one is to resist the urge to have homosexual sex and to ignore those thoughts as much as possible and find happiness elsewhere.
 
If homosexuality is wrong, then you think that gays' very existence is wrong. While it would be foolish to state that sexuality is the entirety of any person's life, it is an inherently gigantic portion, and to say that is wrong is to say that the person's existence is wrong.

So of course if you consider homosexuality a sin, as any good Christian must since the Bible says in some place to hate all sin, then you must hate homosexuality in general, and thus hate the existence of any homosexual, since you hate such an intertwined part of their being.

Also, the logic that they can resist it is absurd. Our bodies are meant to be sexual and used in that manner. Even Christians have mostly embraced this logic after centuries of Puritanical repression (in the United States) and myths of sex weakening the body significantly and permanently.
 
papainfernape95 said:
I am a Christian, and although I think homosexuality is wrong, I don't hate gays like some people do. My personal belief that I think a lot of Christians share is that people are born with tendencies to homosexuality, but God creates them that way so they have a challenge in life to overcome, just like the guy who's born wanting to steal or the girl who's born lying to everyone she meets. Of course He wouldn't create someone to be instantly damned to hell, at least I don't think so. But I think a lot of Christians see it as a choice you have to make, and the right one is to resist the urge to have homosexual sex and to ignore those thoughts as much as possible and find happiness elsewhere.
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Your arguments have already been heard albeit much more coherently. What evidence is their that god decided to create gays and straight people. According to the bible we are all created equal, it doesn't make sense that he would create homosexuals because he thinks that they need a challenge.

I don't think that you've read this thread, but Mormoopid basically showed that homosexuals think about the same gender as heterosexuals think about the opposite gender. Saying to homosexuals "RESIST YOUR HOMOSEXUAL URGES" is stupid. That's like me telling you to RESIST YOUR HETEROSEXUAL URGES.

Just try for a day to resist all heterosexual urges, try not to think about breasts, vagina and hot girl ass and replace it with cock, hot man ass and muscles. It won't work. Homosexuals can't "resist their urges" and expecting them to is extremely offensive and stupid.
 
It can and does work. If I want to steal a car but don't, there we go, I've resisted an urge. It's the same with sexuality. Also, we are all created equal- we're all given certain imperfections to deal with. Homosexuality just happens to be despised by society and a more touchy subject because yes, it is a larger part of people's lives than some other sins. And to CaptKirby, the Bible says to hate the sin but love the person, which is entirely possible. If my sister kills someone, does that mean I hate her because I hate that she killed someone? Of course not.
 
You can feel free to ignore what I just said, but you are plainly wrong. Sex "is" a person because it is so intertwined in the being of most (except those cases where a person naturally has low sex drive or none, I suppose). So you hate the fucking person; you do not love him or her.
 
papainfernape95 said:
It can and does work. If I want to steal a car but don't, there we go, I've resisted an urge. It's the same with sexuality. Also, we are all created equal- we're all given certain imperfections to deal with. Homosexuality just happens to be despised by society and a more touchy subject because yes, it is a larger part of people's lives than some other sins. And to CaptKirby, the Bible says to hate the sin but love the person, which is entirely possible. If my sister kills someone, does that mean I hate her because I hate that she killed someone? Of course not.
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How many reformed gays have you actually met?

I've never met a reformed homosexual. I don't believe it works and the only things that I've ever heard about homosexual reformation is from batshit insane Christians. I've heard gay men talk about camps where they try to make you go from gay to straight and they talk about it as if it was hell on earth. Homosexual reformation is a sick joke.

Wow, I guess you're forgiving. Forgiving your own sister for killing a man? I can see how comparing murder to consensual sex between two adults is a totally valid argument.

<[SA]HatfulOfHollow> i'm going to become rich and famous after i invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet
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The funny thing is that homosexuality hurts nobody, it doesn't affect anyone negatively. It's people like you who judge someone who is perfectly normal that I find disgusting.

Oh and to those who hate flamboyant gays: Shut the fuck up. It's the same as hating emos, goths or skaters etc. It's just a small subculture and it's one of many. It's hardly one of the most horrible ones either.
 
Rai said:
Homosexuality is not natural. Stop trying to pretend like it is.

Man was born with a penis and woman was born with a vagina. We all know how these two organs work, so stop trying to pretend like homosexuality is anything other than some sort of disorder.

Stop pretending.

If my brain told me 'do backflips' instead of 'eat food' whenever I got hungry, I would be considered sick, wouldn't I? There is absolutely no difference.

And before you run me through your slander machine (which only suggests that you have no argument towards your position, by the way), i'll mention that this viewpoint has absolutely nothing to do with hate, intolerance, religion or 'fear' (lol), but is instead all about doing the right thing. Do your duty as a man and a woman. If you were born a man, then act like one. Everything else is incorrect behavior.

This whole issue stems from a lack of discipline. People nowadays think that you can just do whatever the hell you want whenever you want to do it, and they couldn't be more wrong.

Do what is right, not what feels good.
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I know I am responding to this late but I could not resist. Are you saying that we should shoot everyone over the age of 30 who is trying to produce babies? Outlaw condoms? Cull the infertile? Kill females that are at the age when they cannot have babies?
 
Two of my friends are reformed homosexuals. I took them to my church where they heard the history of Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis, Chapter 19, verses 1 through 29). Ever since then, they've been straight. They're both dating girls now. If that's not enough to let you know homosexuality is in fact wrong and a sin, then you're just plain stupid.
 
Out of curiosity, does anyone have a New Testament reference by Jesus mentioning anything about homosexuality?

There's no point to be made here, I'm honestly curious.
 
papainfernape95 said:
Two of my friends are reformed homosexuals. I took them to my church where they heard the history of Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis, Chapter 19, verses 1 through 29). Ever since then, they've been straight. They're both dating girls now. If that's not enough to let you know homosexuality is in fact wrong and a sin, then you're just plain stupid.
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I don't believe you. I think you're a troll. Even if it were true, you showed them some verses in a book that said that god murdered (a sin) thousands of homosexuals and it scared them so they lied to themselves and started dating girls how does this prove that homosexuality is a sin?

You know what's funny about the Sodom And Gomorrah is that Lot offered up his two virgin daughters to the townspeople instead of the angels that had descended from heaven to visit him getting raped!

Then god turned Lots wife into a pillar of salt. Don't ask, STUPID christian bullshit.

I found that pretty stupid considering angels have wiped out whole armies of people who were trying to kill the Israelites!

But you know what the icing on the cake is? The real reason why I couldn't stop laughing when you brought up morality and Sodom and Gomorrah in the same post is because when Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed Lot and his two virgin daughters escaped into the mountains and lived in a cave.

The eldest daughter got her father drunk and then fucked him, then told the younger daughter to do the same and then she did. I'm not making it up, this is in your book and personally I find this sort of thing sick and disgusting but then again I'm not the one taking the moral highroad then am I?

Of course it begs the question: If the city was destroyed by fire and brimstone or whatever where did Lots daughters get the alcohol from to get their father drunk? And if you were drunk would you fuck your family members?

Personally I just think Lot was a sick fuck like so many people in the bible, I wouldn't fuck my family members if I was intoxicated personally, but I guess you christians are different.

Moot: He didn't mention at all whatsoever, I tried to research it a while ago and many sources have said that he didn't say boo about it. Of course, who cares what he thinks anyway? I certainly don't.

edit: you can read all about it here: http://www.truechristian.com/kidzlot1.html (NSFW)
 
papainfernape95 said:
I'm not homophobic. I don't have a problem with it, if you're cool with going to hell then fine by me. I just disagree.
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That's alright I'm just going to have sex with my girlfriend whom I'm not married to on a sunday morning, enjoy wasting your time with your primitive totem worship.
 
papainfernape95 said:
Two of my friends are reformed homosexuals. I took them to my church where they heard the history of Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis, Chapter 19, verses 1 through 29). Ever since then, they've been straight. They're both dating girls now. If that's not enough to let you know homosexuality is in fact wrong and a sin, then you're just plain stupid.
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Wow, just fucking wow. This thread is really scaring me...I can't believe people are actually this ignorant. "Oh, I have two friends who told me this...so it proves that it works in every case! and if you dont believe me, YOURE the stupid one!" This would be hilarious if I didn't think you were actually serious....

The "ex-gay" movement has never once actually been proven to work. People can say "oh yeah I was gay but now I'm not", but "gay" is not concrete enough of a term to be able to say that. Pretty much every guy has some point in which they have to ask themselves what they really like, some people are just more confused than others. Just because your church has managed to mentally traumatize these poor people into thinking that they are in god's graces, doesnt mean that's what actually happens.

If someone convinces you that you aren't gay, then you weren't gay to begin with. Reading from the Bible does not change a person's biology.

papainfernape95 said:
I'm not homophobic. I don't have a problem with it, if you're cool with going to hell then fine by me. I just disagree.
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Oh, Im not homophobic, YOURE JUST GOING TO BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY FOR YOUR HORRIBLE ACTIONS.

papainfernape95 said:
I am a Christian, and although I think homosexuality is wrong, I don't hate gays like some people do. My personal belief that I think a lot of Christians share is that people are born with tendencies to homosexuality, but God creates them that way so they have a challenge in life to overcome, just like the guy who's born wanting to steal or the girl who's born lying to everyone she meets.
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I thought god was benevolent?
 
jrrrrrrr said:
If someone convinces you that you aren't gay, then you weren't gay to begin with. Reading from the Bible does not change a person's biology.
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it'd be nice if you would actually provide some evidence that homosexuality is a biological trait. It my mind it can go as far as a biological predisposition ( much like alcoholism) and that's it.
 
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