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[Mentlegen]

Here's the spiel: This team I made after my last team (A Trick Room team) had a major loop hole. It couldn't counter stall teams. I made this team to be able to stop stall teams, as well as counter many other types of teams.

It utilizes "hax" in an attempt to keep the team from hurting me, while destroying it.

I have had mixed success, with a record of 10-4 (I haven't had the most time in the world thanks to taking summer courses so I can graduate earlier).

Without further adeiu, here is the team:

Sneek-a-peek:

The real deal:

Persian @ Silk Scarf
Ability: Technician
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature
- Fake Out
- U-turn
- Bite
- Hypnosis
Persian is my lead. I Fake Out the first turn, and depending on what the pokemon is, I use either U-Turn or Hypnosis my second. If it is a slow lead, more often I will hypnotize it, and then U-Turn to something that can set up (Gyarados). If it is something I am afraid of, I immediately U-Turn to a counter. Bite is for extra flinching. Hypnosis is one of my many status inflicting moves I use on this team. Overall, a pretty entertaining lead which I am amazed isn't used more.

Machamp @ Leftovers
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Spd
Adamant nature
- Dynamicpunch
- Payback
- Sleep Talk
- Rest
Machamp. Oh Machamp. My favorite pokemon in the pokemon universe. It is a pretty standard Resttalk set, but it gets the job done. I utilize Dynamicpunch to confuse my opponent, and then work on killing him (usually by using it again, or if payback is more suited, that). He is durable, and I have gotten so much success with him that I am very hesitant to change him.

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Adamant: Intimidate
Evs: 74HP / 252 Att / 184 Speed
- Dragon Dance
- Stone Edge
- Waterfall
- Bounce
Gyarados is one of my sweepers, although I have gotten mixed success with him. He is meant to dragon dange and then ice fang/waterfall things to death. Waterfall gives me some flinching, which is extremely useful. Thunder Wave is my paralysis skill, allowing my to paralyze and stop pokemon in their tracks. The reason I have mixed success is because I don't seem to get enough of a sweep out of him. By the time he has set up, he usually has not a ton of health left, which can be disheartening.

Togekiss @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP/6 Def/252 SDef
Calm nature
- Air Slash
- Thunder Wave
- Roost
- Aura Sphere (or Nasty Plot)
Togekiss, my other paraflincher. Another pokemon I have had mixed success with. I added Aura Sphere because I figured the type coverage could be useful, although I'm thinking of switching it to Nasty Plot, so I can sweep better. Roost is for survivability. I'm thinking I might want to invest some EVs into speed, so that I can get the flinch in the majority of the time, seeing as that doesn't happen nearly enough now. All in all, a pretty nice pokemon and the key to a good hax team.

Lanturn @ Leftovers
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 40 HP/80 Spd/136 SAtk/252 SDef
Calm nature
- Discharge
- Confuse Ray
- Surf
- Ice Beam
Why turn on the lights when you have a lanturn around? (bad pun is bad)

Lanturn is a parafusion user, and a pretty durable one at that. Discharge puts paralysis on my opponent, and confuse ray confuses (NO WAY!). Surf/Ice Beam are for sweeping an opponent, although Discharge helps there, also. I have had a lot of success with this pokemon, as I've seen countless dragons try to switch in, only to get OHKO'd by ice beam.

Tyranitar @ Expert Belt
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 120 Atk/244 Spd/144 SAtk
Hasty nature
- Pursuit
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Crunch
This was my toss-up slot. I took a look at all my other pokemon, and noticed they had a lot of weaknesses in common, such as Cresselia, Blissey (although Machamp covers that) and Celebi. To stop that, I threw Tyranitar into the mix. This set is meant to counter as many pokemon as possible. When I switch in, I try to catch my opponent with a Pursuit. If that doesn't work, I can use my other attacks to pound him into the ground. Other than Gyarados, this was my pokemon who I was least sure of keeping. But one I added him to my team, I noticed how helpful he was.


There you go, there is my team. I have had some success with him, but I want Smogon's help!

By the way, I'm not using Jirachi because I want to use pokemon I'll be able to get in pokemon platinum cart, and Jirachi would be extremely hard to obtain.

I have a concern with sweepers, as I have no good counter to a pokemon like Latias once she has set up. Help in this department is needed.

Thanks everyone!

 

[haunter]

Hi,

I see several problems for this team, so here are some advices:

1) starting from Persian: although it's quite original, there's a reason why it's NU. Hypnosis has a mediocre 60% accuracy and fake out, even with technician and silk scarf can barely scratch the most common OU leads like Metagross, Jirachi, Heatran or Swampert. Other than that, your team lacks stealth rock. I'd advise to replace your lead with a standard Jirachi lead:

Jirachi@leftovers
nature: jolly
EVs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spe
-iron head
-fire punch
-stealth rock
-body slam

this is a vary reliable pokemon and with body slam would help your team goal of paralyzing most of your opponent's pokemons. It may also serve as an useful revenge killer for things like Lucario and Scizor. Jirachi also helps with your stated Latias problem.

2) Thunder wave on Gyarados seems a poor option in my opinion. Most Gyarados switch ins are slow bulky pokemons like Vaporeon or defensive Rotom, or bulky grass like Celebi - which also has natural cure - and they don't really care being paralyzed, so I'd really suggest to drop that move for either bounce - which comes with a 30% paralysys rate and can hit hard Celebi, while also allowing extra leftovers recovery - or taunt. Also yes, replace ice fang with stone edge: rock/water is only resisted by Empoleon in OU and is an excellent attacking combo.

3) This team seems extremely weak to opposing Gyarados and to a lesser extent Infernape (SD Ape can literally OHKO every of your pokemons and you can neither revenge kill it): Lanturn is weak to ground moves and has less than average defence. I'm sure that replacing Lanturn with a dedicated counter for either Gyara or Ape would open your team to other threats like Jolteon, so I'd suggest to replace this pokemon with a good revenge killer capable of switching into both on a stat up move and ohko them. The pokemon I've in mind is:

Latias@choice scarf
nature: modest
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
-draco meteor
-surf
-thunderbolt
-trick

this pokemon would be an insurance against tons of threats, while also providing useful resistances and the ability to cripple special walls with trick.

Hope this helps.

GL!

 

[Jikos]

I would recommend changing Gyarados:

Gyarados @ leftovers
Adamant: Intimidate
74HP / 252 Att / 184 Speed
Dragon Dance
Stone Edge
Waterfall
Bounce

Gyarados doesn't really need the 252 speed. After a single DD with these EV's, it outspeeds max speed base 115's like Starmie. Bounce can usually OHKO Starmie after a DD. Bounce also causes switches and gets you free leftover recovery. It really is a great set.

Replace Body Slam with Thunder Wave on Togekiss for better haxing results. Body Slam wont be doing much damage and is 60% chance to paralyze.

Take the advice from the above poster and replace Lanturn with Latias.

 

[Mentlegen]

I don't want to be a pain in the butt, but (as I said in the OP) I won't be able to use Jirachi or Latias on my cartridge, because there is no way for me to breed them until they have perfect IVs. If I could get my hands on a perfect IV Latias or Jirachi, I would definitely use them. But because of that, I can't use them.

What about a:

Vaporeon @ Leftovers
EVs: 188 HP / 252 Def / 68 Spe
Bold nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Surf
- Hidden Power Electric

It could counter both Gyarados and Infernape really well. Wish could help me with survivability of both Vaporeon and other pokemon. HPE would counter Gyarados, and Surf could counter Infernape.

As for Persian/Jirachi, I still don't know what to do.

 

[haunter]

When I read your OP some hours ago I didn't notice that this was a WiFi team, sorry for that.

I had thought of Vaporeon too, but then you'd become quite weak to Jolteon and electric pokemons in general, with only TTar capable of switching into them, that's why I suggested Latias, though I know that it's quite hard to find a legit usable modest one - anyway, there are some good timid Latias in the WiFi section which may work as well.

About the lead: considering that a legit jolly Jirachi is quite hard to obtain, I'd suggest to go with a standard Metagross lead:

Metagross@occa berry
nature: adamant
EVs: 252 HP / 236 Atk / 12 Def / 8 Spe
-stealth rock
-meteor mash
-bullet punch
-explosion

Metagross is another reliable lead capable of setting up SR and usually taking out at least one of your opponent's pokemons.

 

[Mentlegen]

Ok, I'll start testing out that metagross. As for latias, I'll keep him around and try to get a good timid one, but in the mean time I guess i'll keep either vaporeon or lanturn.

Although, without lanturn, I only have 1 confusion and 2 paralysis' which isn't really enough to be considered a hax team, I think. But what do I know?

 

[-Zer0-]

I had thought of Vaporeon too, but then you'd become quite weak to Jolteon and electric pokemons in general, with only TTar capable of switching into them,

Well, if thats what your thought was then you have to remember that laturn has volt absorb. just so you know.

 

[haunter]

Well, if thats what your thought was then you have to remember that laturn has volt absorb. just so you know.

Really? there's no need to point out what's so obvious. I know perfectly that Lanturn has volt absorb, it's just that Lanturn can't counter neither Gyarados - as EQ is a ohko - nor Infernape, that's why I thought of Vaporeon which, instead, is a fine counter for both of them.

Ok, I'll start testing out that metagross. As for latias, I'll keep him around and try to get a good timid one, but in the mean time I guess i'll keep either vaporeon or lanturn.

Although, without lanturn, I only have 1 confusion and 2 paralysis' which isn't really enough to be considered a hax team, I think. But what do I know?

Test Vaporeon, but I'm sure that sooner or later you'll have problems with electric pokemons. So try to find an usable Latias in the meanwhile.

 

[Invishil]

Two of the pokemon are weak to stealth rock; that could be a problem but if it hasnt bothered you before then it may not be a big deal in the future

 

[Gir!]

Just in case, I have the Negator Lati twins, I could give you a clone of the Latias, its timid, but it has excellent IVs

 

[Mentlegen]

I'm testing that Metagross build, but I was wondering what would happen if I gave it Body Slam instead of Explosion? It would give it more utility for later in the game combat, and adds more paralysis to my team. Sure, it's only 30%, but that if I paralyze 1/3 turns, thats better than 0/3 (I am simplifying this, I know).

I also changed Meteor Mash to Earthquake to help with pesky electric 'mons who can destroy my team.

As for Vaporeon/Latias, still testing.

 

[Mentlegen]

24 hour+ bump.

I have the Latias from Negator, so I'm going to clear it's EVs and rebuild it in a way where I can use it how I need it.