Super Smash Bros. Brawl: Character and Tier Discussion

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Being a bad Toon Link is still better than being just plain bad. Link has a good set of projectiles and his attacks have some actual form of range and disjointedness. I mean seriously, you call Link a "laggy, slow piece of shit" and then try to stick up for Ganondorf? Link's problem is he can't recover from more than two inches away from the stage, he's actually not THAT slow and his projectiles make it so he doesn't have to approach most characters anyway.
 
i just base it off of first hand experience watching Legan and ArkiveZero's Links, along with the fact that Deva is apparently pretty good out in the west coast. plus link seems to have slightly better overall matchups, such as not getting totally destroyed by swords (marth, ike) like falcon does. his projectile game is still good enough to give link a decent zoning game. on stage link is not a pushover. i really don't think captain falcon is as good as link right now. or better put, i think falcon is slightly more bad than link, and both are pretty bad.
 
i really don't think captain falcon is as good as link right now. or better put, i think falcon is slightly more bad than link, and both are pretty bad.
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I agree to a 100%. While Link atleast has some potential, falcon just plain suck = /. And ganondorf? Well unlike falcon, ganondorf can atleast send a smash in your face and knock you out
 
Mr.E said:
Being a bad Toon Link is still better than being just plain bad. Link has a good set of projectiles and his attacks have some actual form of range and disjointedness. I mean seriously, you call Link a "laggy, slow piece of shit" and then try to stick up for Ganondorf? Link's problem is he can't recover from more than two inches away from the stage, he's actually not THAT slow and his projectiles make it so he doesn't have to approach most characters anyway.
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A bad Toon Link is just plain bad, Toon Link is only an upper middle or lower high tier character anyway. Many of Ganondorf's attacks have very little lag.
 
A bad Toon Link is just plain bad, Toon Link is only an upper middle or lower high tier character anyway. Many of Ganondorf's attacks have very little lag.
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Not sure what you are trying to say here. That ganondorf is infact better than Toon Link? Cause I can ensure you that he is not. And besides, a bad player will be bad with any character.
 
Sooth said:
I agree to a 100%. While Link atleast has some potential, falcon just plain suck = /. And ganondorf? Well unlike falcon, ganondorf can atleast send a smash in your face and knock you out
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Falcon can use a smash attack and knock someone off as well. I don't see your point. There's also the fact that Falcon is the second fastest character in the game and has a decent aerial game and killing moves. His recovery is also better and not as gimpable as Ganon and Link's are.
 
Sooth said:
Not sure what you are trying to say here. That ganondorf is infact better than Toon Link? Cause I can ensure you that he is not. And besides, a bad player will be bad with any character.
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No, that he's better than a bad Toon Link; which is what Link is. A good player could do better with Ganondorf than with Link.
 
Please. Link is better than ganondorf. If it weren't for the fact that his recovery is one of the worst in the game, and Toon Link already does everything he can better, he would have the potential to get higher than the F tier (wich he infact does, even with the recovery). Ganondorf, on the other hand, dont.


Falcon can use a smash attack and knock someone off as well. I don't see your point. There's also the fact that Falcon is the second fastest character in the game and has a decent aerial game and killing moves. His recovery is also better and not as gimpable as Ganon and Link's are.
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Ganondorfs smashes are ALOT more powerfull than falcon. Thats my point. And despite that falcon is the second fastest character and isn't "as gimpable" as ganondorf, he is STILL very very bad. Ill rather be able to throw a lucky smash in the face of my enemy than nothing.
 
Meh, no point in arguing about it. I dont really give a damn about either falcon or ganondorf, i answered to the fact that Link is better than both of them. Both ganondorf and falcon get 'gimped like the gimp' in pulp fiction after Butch gets loose. And as far as I know, ganondorf has a nifty spike, with both down air and choke.

Whats my point? Link sucks, ganondorf sucks, and falcon sucks.



But Link is better than the others
 
Sonic is decent character. Definately didn't deserve to rise 8 spots, but he still a good mid tier character. He is underpreciated in my oppinion.
 
All this talk of Falcon deserving to be the worst is ludicrous. It's probably just my playstyle, but I think falcon is actually a well-rounded character. I really don't understand why he is low tier....

Oh well, I guess I'll just jump into the tournament scene with falcon and give him some much needed rep.
 
UberMunch said:
All this talk of Falcon deserving to be the worst is ludicrous. It's probably just my playstyle, but I think falcon is actually a well-rounded character. I really don't understand why he is low tier....

Oh well, I guess I'll just jump into the tournament scene with falcon and give him some much needed rep.
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CF is a bad char. Can't approach, no priority. Bad recovery. I'd say he's high low tier. But that's because we have a really good CF here.
 
Yeah, I think falcon actually has a lot more potential. He actually does have some high priority moves (granted not alot), I don't have much trouble approaching with him, and his recovery isn't splendid but it's so much better than some others.

And, on top of that, he is the second fastest character or something, and has a pretty good aerial and ground game.
 
Unfortunaly, if that was the case, then CF wouldn't be on the F list. =/ If he had that much potential, then all the effort the CF community have put in him would have made him rise, well maybie as much as Sonic.

But thats not case now is it? Despite all the hard work, they managed to get him to rise 1 spot, beating his slower but stronger copy. He is still one of the worst characters in the game.

Im not trying to really bash Falcon, in fact I like Falcon. There is nothing more hilarious than using mind games and actually make that Falcon Punch HIT and knock em out, making my friends go WOOT and all shizzle, or finish it off with a nice Knee of Justice or whatever. In fact, just that my friends know that the character is one of the worst makes all much more fun.
Its just that he IS one of the worst, if not THE worst.

But hey, it all comes down to player skill in the end right? =p
 
Captain Falcon sucks.
I'm sorry but it's true, he's a character whose moveset is built to capitalize on decent hitstun and lag cancelling. These are two things absent from Brawl, so he fails.

He's pretty mean in Brawl+, which show's that it's not his moves that were nerfed, but the engine that nerfed Falcon.

If you're smart, you'll just pick up a Top/High tier and stop caring about other characters of no competitive merit. Being original and cool has no real place in the competitive circuit.

Unless you truly are a master of your main, then by all means go ahead.
Still not gonna win big tournaments though.
 
man I just saw that Steeler, AA never fails to impress me with the shit he contributes to any community he decides to involve himself with. I really like how Balanced Brawl looks compared to Brawl+ (though I don't have a wii so I've never tried either of them out or anything). In particular it really has a more community-friendly vibe going for it, I mean I still don't really know who Brawl+ is supposed to be targeting (they say it's not "Melee 2.0" but it really does just seem like a hybrid of the two no matter how hard I try to see it otherwise), while the idea behind BBrawl is extremely straightforward. if you play brawl, you can play balanced brawl. sounds good to me, and sounds like a much more successful gameplan than one of tossing a bunch of mechanics and changes together and hoping that the finished product is something that is universally appealing.
 
eh. i dont like brawl spin offs.

anyways... how about wolf?

I feel like ive mastered him. i dont know what else i can do with him. spam laser, bair, reflect in smash, grab. throw in a few fairs and bam.

i dont know what else to do. any suggestions?
 
In my opinion, Zelda is one of the most powerful characters in the game if played skillfully. A lot of the attacks have crazy knock-back including two attacks that can hit critically. And she can deflect projectiles which is a plus. The one thing that I think puts her down is her recovery b/c it seems very unreliable.
 
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