My attempt at a stall team

Hello fellow Smogon and Shoddy Battle users. This is my first RMT ever! Im quite excited as ive been lurking around the forums for a while and been thinking of teams id love to post. I chose my stall team for my first rate as its been quite sucessful over the pat few weeks of play testing.

The Stall Team Intro

So the basic plot of my stall team(and pretty much every other stall team) is to sucessfully rack up residual damage through hazards and weather. Ive had quite great synergy through my main MVP and of course, the rest of my team to support the core. Im open to constructive criticism as im here to improve my team because no team is perfect.

Without further adieu!

The lead

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Roserade-Timid@focus sash
EV's-252 speed 252 sp.attack 4 HP
-Sleep powder
-Hidden Power Fire
-Grass Knot
-Toxic Spikes

In my opinion, the best toxic spiker in the game. Roserade is blessed with sleep powder and toxic spikes, which allows easy an efficient set up to aid the rest of my team. With the main set up out of the way, i never want any of my pokemon to be screwed over by taunt user such as aerodactyl. With this in mind, i thought that grass knot i a reliable STAB move and i chose it over leaf storm simply because i dont like stat decreasing moves on pokemon that arent choiced. The last move slot i decided to fill in with HP fire. This was so that i could beat opposing roserade leads, howver, im open to other suggestions as this is primarily a filler move. I chose Timid because speed is a vital stat on leads and in most cases i out run most leads allowing a sleep powder and 1 layer of Tspikes and most of the time i can fire off 2 layers. The EV's are a standard 252 spread maximising speed and sp.attack and the left were chucked in HP.

THE CORE

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Hippowdon-Impish@ leftovers
EVs-252 HP 168 Defence 88 sp.defence(straight out of the analysis)
-Earthquake
-Slack Off
-Stealth Rock
-Roar

This is part one of my core of defensive pokemon. Hippowdon is a great tank due to his awsome stat spread, acess to a reliable recovery move, ability to shuffle and acess to the greatest hazards in the game. This set is quite standard and easy to use. Stealth rock is a priority to getting up as its game changing and aids in overall residual damage. Slack off allows me to instantly recover 50% of my health and roar is great for racking residual damage. I chose earthquake as its a great stab and is mostly there so i dont get caught by any taunt users like taunt Gyarados. Id love to give more on the EVs but they arent mine, i guess the analysis would know best.



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Skarmory-Impish@ Shed Shell
EVs-252 HP 64 attack 176 defence 16 speed(again from the analysis)
-Brave Bird
-Roost
-spikes
-whirlwind

Part 2 of my core. This begins the last phase of my hazards by setting up spikes. I chose skarm for a few reasons. 1. it can set up spikes. 2. Its great defences. 3. its synergy with sandstream from Hippowdon. Brave Bird is a great STAB and the recoil is simply compensated by Roost which rids me of my Electricity weakness. Spikes is key for my 3 prong hazards approach and whirlwind allows more phasing to rack up damage. Shed Shell is so Magnezone cant kill off Skarm.(still, ive never really faced one just yet) Id love to give more on the EVs but they arent mine, i guess the analysis would know best.



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Torterra-Impish@ Leftovers
EVs-252 HP 20 Defence 236 Speed
-Earthquake
-Sustitute
-leech Seed
-Stone Edge

YES! this is the final part of my core. Some call me crazy for carrying this land turtle, only to be completely stalled out by it. This is my SubSeeder and by god i love it! Torterra is one of the few pokemon who recieve leftover recovery in sand and it was this, combined with its 105/85 defences that drew me towards this behemoth. He is my MVP and i love him. Substitute is perhaps the best move in the game and combined with Leech Seed and leftovers, grants me an excellent form of recovery whilt sapping my opponents. Earthquake and Stone Edge gives me the quake edge combo and overall this pokemon was the final piece of my puzzle with my core as sandstorm is a great way to boost residual damage.

The Spin Blocker
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Rotom H-Bold@ Leftovers
EVs-252 HP 168 Defence 88 Speed
-Overheat
-Shadowball
-Thunderbolt
-Will-o-Whisp

I didnt want all my hard work to be undone by some lousy Starmie or Forretress, so began my work searching for a spin blocker. Rotom H immediatly lit my lightbulb and i began investigation. I chose the standard bulky set as i mainly wanted to stop spin blockers and hopefully KO them. Overheat is for Forretress. Shadowball is a great STAB move to have. Tbolt allows me to take on starmie and Tentacruel(but who see's that nowadays.) The final move, Will-o-Whisp was an odd choice, i originally had reflect but through play testing, i discovered how mant Tspikes absorbers there were. I then ran Whisp and discovered how usefull it is to cripple pokemon like Gyarados and Tyranitar when my Tspikes were absorbed. The Evs are from the analysis.

The Fat Bitch

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Blissey-Bold@ Leftovers
EVs-252 Defence 216 Sp.Defence 40 Sp.Attack
-Wish
-Protect
-Thunder Wave
-Flamethrower

I chose Blissy as my last pokemon as my team was very physically bulky but kinda lacking on the special side. Blissy fills this niche quite nicely. Wish Protect allows great PP stall, Sandstorm and poison damage and recovery. Thunder wave is incase Tspikes is absorbed and helps Torterra's subseeding much easier. Flamethrower was used to get a surprise KO on pokemon like Scizor who get KO'ed on the switch. I used Obi's EV spread so all credits go to him. This pokemon has nice synergy with Skarm bringing the old SkarmBliss combo back to life which i found is still quite usefull in DPPt.

Closing credits

Im wanting to improve my team. If ive learned anything from writing this RMT up, its that i have terrible grammar and i desperatly need help on EVs as im pathetic in that department. I hope you all had as much fun reading this as i had writing this, all advise is welcome and i hope to becoming a great contributor in the forums!!!
 
Roserade, Skarmory, Torterra, Rotom, Blissey and Hippowdon


Hmm Torterra and Hippowdon on a Stall team, They aren't really stall since both of them are easily killed by many pokemon. Let's begin with Hippo. There is nobody on your team who benefits of the sandstorm and it is killed by al surf and grass knot so why not replace it for another pokemon that can benefit more of your team. I see that you like to set up Entry hazards so I think a Swampert is good on your team. You only have a Grass knot weakness and Skarm and Blissey can take that hit. It has perfect Synergy with the rest of the team. Great bulk. Can set up SR and has got good attacking options.

Well Torterra is a nice surprise for the oppenent if they have their stallbreakers in cause they most of the time don't have an Ice Attack. It can OHKO mixape and survive the Fire Blast. SMence can't OHKO you and you and you can heavily damage it. My damage calculator doesn't work right now so I can't control it. But I think you should keep it

I would teach Blissey toxic instead of T-wave to poison the pokemon that aren't affected by T-Spikes.

The rest of the team is good. Hope i've helped
 
you have helped alot! the Swampert idea is one ill have to try out, but sandstorm is the key to my core as my terra is my MVP and leech seed+sustitute+leftovers+sandstorm make it a pain to get down. I was thinking toxic of Bliss, but it does make terra's job easier when it comes to out speeding. I appreciate your help and will try the Swampert idea out aswell.
 
hey just a quick RMT,

This team has potential but it needs a fair bit of work sorry to say. I'm just going to suggest one now as im am getting reallyy tired lol.

Get rid of torterra! REGARDLESS of what you believe. Torment Tran would slip in quite nicely into your team as you carry both toxic spikes and spikes itself. And yes i would be one of those people who call you crazy if you believe torterra is awesome, as there are many options which far exceeds this one soooo replace him with heatran!!!

Heatran @Leftovers
Nature: Calm
Ability: Flash Fire
Ev's: 244 HP / 32 SpA / 12 SpD / 220 Spe
Moves:
- Substitute
- Torment
- Protect
- Lava Plume
This moveset is quite tricky to perfect, however once you have this nailed down pat, tormentran becomes one of the hardest pokemon in the game to take down, i cannot stress enough his worth to your stall team.

Hope it goes well and good luck!
 
I'm not really a fan of stall teams but let me take a look and give you some suggestions:

Why does Torterra need al those Speed ev's for?

Mixape could give you a hard time once Rotom is out. So I suggest putting in a bulky water like Vaporeon to stop this. I suggest taking out Torterra.
If you really want a subseed poke, make your Roserade one:

Roserade @ focus sash/ timid/ Natural Cure (or poison point)
252 Spe, 252 Spa, 6 HP

- Sleep Powder
- Leech Seed/ Toxic Spikes
- Protect
- Leaf Storm/ Sludge bomb/ Toxic Spikes

--> this is a really original lead that I once used and might help you:
No hidden power (fire) means you win the speed tie against other roserade leads. So you can put others to sleep. Protect is for against Fake Out leads like Infernape. Then you can Leech seed their ass (not Roserade!) and stall them with protect and maybe SS already. Or you can opt for Toxic Spikes ans Set that up. Last but not least you can have one attacking move. Leave Storm is for Swampert leads, While Sludge Bomb comes in handy against Grass types who are immune for Leech Seed. Otherwise you could go for TS here but this leaves you with no attack moves but enough stall capability to take others down.
If you decide to go without Toxic Spikes I suggest making your ability Poison point to poison physical attackers. Besides, Sludge Bomb has a large chance of poisoning too leaving TS not really neccesairy.

Otherwise nice team! ^^
 
hey just a quick RMT,

This team has potential but it needs a fair bit of work sorry to say. I'm just going to suggest one now as im am getting reallyy tired lol.

Get rid of torterra! REGARDLESS of what you believe. Torment Tran would slip in quite nicely into your team as you carry both toxic spikes and spikes itself. And yes i would be one of those people who call you crazy if you believe torterra is awesome, as there are many options which far exceeds this one soooo replace him with heatran!!!

Heatran @Leftovers
Nature: Calm
Ability: Flash Fire
Ev's: 244 HP / 32 SpA / 12 SpD / 220 Spe
Moves:
- Substitute
- Torment
- Protect
- Lava Plume
This moveset is quite tricky to perfect, however once you have this nailed down pat, tormentran becomes one of the hardest pokemon in the game to take down, i cannot stress enough his worth to your stall team.

Hope it goes well and good luck!


Are you putting that TormentTran in every thread you post in? Because you said nearly the exact same thing with my RMT.

What I can for this as I am not all that together with stall is this.

If you switch out your Skarmory for Forrtress you can do the same basically (Bar the phase) and you will have a rapid spin support as All your team bar 2 (Roserade and Fortress) Weak to Toxic Spikes, and facing another stall team this could be your downfall.

If you aren't willing to do that, try changing your Blissey to the Cleric version, it does the same job, but Aromatherapy could really help your team.
 
Why TormentTran?? I think Torterra is original. Original is good sometimes. Dont always take the most used pokemon cause everyone has a counter for it. If you can set Torterra up it can be reliable if you took out his counters. And Torterra isn't owned by MixApe, One EQ and MixApe is owned
 
Why does Torterra need al those Speed ev's for?

Mixape could give you a hard time once Rotom is out. So I suggest putting in a bulky water like Vaporeon to stop this. I suggest taking out Torterra.
If you really want a subseed poke, make your Roserade one:

Roserade @ focus sash/ timid/ Natural Cure (or poison point)
252 Spe, 252 Spa, 6 HP

- Sleep Powder
- Leech Seed/ Toxic Spikes
- Protect
- Leaf Storm/ Sludge bomb/ Toxic Spikes

--> this is a really original lead that I once used and might help you:
No hidden power (fire) means you win the speed tie against other roserade leads. So you can put others to sleep. Protect is for against Fake Out leads like Infernape. Then you can Leech seed their ass (not Roserade!) and stall them with protect and maybe SS already. Or you can opt for Toxic Spikes ans Set that up. Last but not least you can have one attacking move. Leave Storm is for Swampert leads, While Sludge Bomb comes in handy against Grass types who are immune for Leech Seed. Otherwise you could go for TS here but this leaves you with no attack moves but enough stall capability to take others down.
If you decide to go without Toxic Spikes I suggest making your ability Poison point to poison physical attackers. Besides, Sludge Bomb has a large chance of poisoning too leaving TS not really neccesairy.

Otherwise nice team! ^^

Well.....i took the EVs from the analysis, im not good with them. What im thinking of doing is turning Roserade into a subseeder like you suggested, replacing Skarm with Forretress and possibly replacing Hippowdon with Swampert.Guys i appreciate all your help! As for Bliss, i saw a set on smogon for Umbreon, i forgot who was using it and i didnt catch the EV's or nature for it but it went something like this.

Umbreon-???@ leftovers
EVs-??????????????????
-Yawn
-Heal Bell
-Wish
-Payback

This set does what the aromatherapy Blissey set does but its legal. it allows wish passing, status curing and shuffling. Im very tempted to use this set. Thanks for all your help guys, this is my first team and knew there would be problems.

Im also thinking of a YawnPert moveset since Shoddy already has HGSS moves up. Im thinking something like this

Swampert-Relaxed/Impish@ leftovers
EVs-240 HP 216 Def 52 Sp.Attack
-Earthquake
-Stealth Rock
-Yawn
-Icebeam/Protect
 
Are you putting that TormentTran in every thread you post in? Because you said nearly the exact same thing with my RMT.

I seriously am the biggest fan of Torment Tran, it is a beast, works ridiculously well, and its an option which not many consider. But meh if people dont want to use it than thats alright.
 
Holey common weaknesses batman!

Half your team is weak to Fire, and not one resist. That just screams to me MixApe Weak and SubTran Weak.

You need a Vaporeon or Latias in here somewhere to take on the above threats which currently have this team for breakfast. I'm not really to sure of stall (and in a hurry) so I haven't the time to suggest where one might go, but believe me in saying that Torterra is by no means an Infernape check.
 
Roserade, Skarmory, Torterra, Rotom, Blissey and Hippowdon


Hmm Torterra and Hippowdon on a Stall team, They aren't really stall since both of them are easily killed by many pokemon. Let's begin with Hippo. There is nobody on your team who benefits of the sandstorm and it is killed by al surf and grass knot so why not replace it for another pokemon that can benefit more of your team. I see that you like to set up Entry hazards so I think a Swampert is good on your team. You only have a Grass knot weakness and Skarm and Blissey can take that hit. It has perfect Synergy with the rest of the team. Great bulk. Can set up SR and has got good attacking options.

Well Torterra is a nice surprise for the oppenent if they have their stallbreakers in cause they most of the time don't have an Ice Attack. It can OHKO mixape and survive the Fire Blast. SMence can't OHKO you and you and you can heavily damage it. My damage calculator doesn't work right now so I can't control it. But I think you should keep it

I would teach Blissey toxic instead of T-wave to poison the pokemon that aren't affected by T-Spikes.

The rest of the team is good. Hope i've helped

Don't listen to him about Hippowdon. I ran a stall team that got up to 1500 rating with Roserade/Hippowdon combination, though my Roserade was a Spiker. Hippowdon is a TOTAL stall pokemon, and is great with Blissey (was also on my team to begin with, later replaced by Cresselia to deal with Wall Breakers), because one covers Physical Defense and Blissey, obviously covers special defense. Do NOT replace Hippow with Swampert, for while it makes you very Ice weak, its much better suited on this stall team. Hippow can, however, be replaced by this Tyranitar. EVs allow it to be 4-5HKOd by Vaporeon's surf, and 2-3HKOd by a MAX SAtk Omastar Hydro Pump. Needless to say this is specially bulky.

This Tyranitar makes you less Ice weak and has great Synergy with Roserade.
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@ Leftovers
Ability: Sandstream
Nature: Brave (+Atk, -Spd)
IVs: 0 Spd
EVs: 236 HP/20Atk/252 SDef

~ Stealth Rock
~ Thunder Wave
~ Payback
~ Roar / Earthquake

Stealth Rock + Sand Stream are great to have on one pokemon, and Tyranitar provides that. He isn't weak to Ice, which is a problem for your team when Hippowdon or Torterra is on it. Thunder Wave hits Fliers, Steels, and Levitators REALLY hard if they try to switch in, as none of them enjoy paralysis. Payback, when paired with 0 Spd IVs, EVs, and hampering nature means that he will almost always get a 100 Base Power STAB move. Roar is great for phazing away and racking up damage, and Earthquake is great at OHKOing Infernape, Heatran (lacking Shuca Berry), and other switch ins. This set is one I used to great success, and I hope to share it with you =). Payback + 20 Atk EVs and nature is a OHKO on Latias, while unboosted Surf is a 4HKO, and Specs is 3HKO.

Just a note, you can run a spread of 44 HP/12 Atk/252 Def/200 SDef to be a mixed wall. It can take a Choice Band Weavile Brick Break with about 5% left to spare and OHKO with Stone Edge (Brick Break on a CBr is 4x weakness coming off a 508 Atk stat, so think about non resisted hits. This set makes you less specially bulky (considerably less) but you can take hits on either side fairly well.

Just my 2 cents.
 
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