A Team made of win.

[Ironic Demise]

Forming The Team

From the start, I wanted a Lead / Anti-Lead that could set up SR, and then sweep. I looked into Swampert and Hippowdon. I decieded that Swampert was better due to coverage. I then needed something that could cover up the grass weakness I gave myself. I also wanted coverage, and power, so...

I got Salamence. In the team, he'll be a DDmance, and i've come up a few myself and disliked them a lot. Salamence + Swampert gives me great coverage, as well as power. With the opponent needing to switch a lot now, SR become a perfect move for this team. I still felt that I needed more coverage, so I went with someone many of you hate.

Now having three of the best pokemon (or so I think), I had great coverage, power and a fair amount of speed. Togekiss is a love of mine, and pisses many of you off. With Serene Gracer on my team, all possible status moves (Like Thunderbolt) become a great option. This, however left me with an Ice / Rock weakness, which can be covered up easily.

Now, having a team of 4 that posses great power, and from what I can tell (move wise), perfect coverage. Lucario holds a special place in all of my teams, because the first time I got him on Diamond, I loved him. I now needed some extra power (lol), and I figured one of my favorite UU's could be thrown in.

With a Ryperior in my team, I have an unexpected pokemon in my team, and a high amount of power (140 Base Attack), and a move-set I found while viewing the RMT (Thanks Tyranitarzone). The move-set has some good moves, but you'll seem them later. With a ground weakness now here, a needed someone to cover that up, so I threw in a Grass-Fighting Pokemon to not only get rid of the ground pokemon, but to inflict status.

Now, covering up all my weakness (I think), as well as haveing perfect coverage (I think), I had a team I was happy with. Breloom when played right can be a menace for all teams. Now, on to detail.

In Detail


The Lead

Swampert (OMGmudkipz) @ Leftovers
Relaxed
252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def

Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Ice Beam
Surf

Ok, as we can see, I have SR as a Starting move, making opponent debate weather or not to switch. Earthquake, being my favorite move, and having a lot of attack, as well as taking out a lot of types. Ice Beam to deal with pesky flying / grass / dragon. pokemon, and surf to attack the rest. I took this set from smogon, and I picked SUrf as the last move, because i'm more of an offensive battler.

What to do on the top 10 leads;

- Earthquake does the job. I'll attack first here, then SR, because he might have magnet rise

- Is frail, and and Ice Beam / Surf deals with this. Depending on how I feel, I'll SR first if I think he's going to attack, or later if he's going to Taunt, because Swampert is slower than him.

- Meh, Water / Ground > Fire, so i'll just EQ / Surf.

- EQ

- Ice Beam / Surf

- SR, then either switch, or surf (EQ is too risky, and they my switch)

- I haven't seen one in a while, but I can surf I guess.

- Surf, or EQ. No Biggie.

- EQ LOL

- Haven't seen one in a while, surf / ice beam, or switch.

- Surf / EQ

Now, onto my Salamence

Salamence (Looking for nickname, suggestions please) @ Life Orb
Adamant / Jolly (Help?)
232 Atk / 24 SpA / 252 Spe

Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Fire Blast
Outrage

Now, here is a your average DDmance. DD to raise stats, then sweep the rest. The SpA in there is for Fire Blast, to OHKO a Max HP min Def Impish Skamory.

Type Matchups;

EQ = 5/17 Types
Fire Blast = 9/17 Types
Outrage = 10/17 Types

I'm happy with this set. It has good coverage, and great attack.

Now then, Togekiss, a Nasty Plotter, with a slight twist.

Togekiss (Togi-Kissu) @ Leftovers / Lum Berry
Modest
252 HP / 152 SpA / 104 Spe

Nasty Plot
Shock Wave
Air Slash
Aura Sphere

With Nasty Plot to raise SpA, and then supporting the rest of the moves, Disharge for Water and Flying, as well as to Paralyze, that's my main move for Gyarados. Also, this deals with Blissey, with 2 Air Slashes and 1 Aura Sphere, I can get rid of Blissey. Mainly a sweeper.

Shock Wave = 2/17 Types
Air Slash = 5/17 Types
Aura Sphere = 10/17 Types

Haha, Lucario~

Lucario (Needs a nickname, suggestions please.) @ Life Orb
Adamant / Jolly
252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

Swords Dance
Close Combat
ExtremeSpeed
Crunch

Pretty good, Swords dance to add attack, then sweep I guess.

Type Matchup's
Close Combat = 5/17 Types
ExtremeSpeed = 5/17 Types (Although no super effective attacks, does damage to everyhting except Ghost, Rock, and Steel, which are already covered.)
Crunch = 7/17 Types

Rhyperior (I'm needing a nickname, help?) @ Leftovers
Adamant
252 HP / 80 Atk / 176 Def

Earthquake
Rock Wrecker / Stone Edge
Avalanche
Megahorn


I love this set. It takes full advantage of Rhyperiors High attack, as well as defence. This set is to sweep really. Thanks to Tyranitarzone for the moveset. I just do the basic "select best move" thing, and sweep.

EQ = 5/17 Types
RW / SE = 8/17 Types
Avalanche = 11/17 Types
Megahorn = 13/17 Types

Breloom (Nickname?) @ Toxic Orb (I have Poison Heal)
Adamant
44 HP / 252 Atk / 212 Spe

Spore
Leech Seed
Mach Punch
Seed Bomb

Quite clear what to do here, Spore + Leech Seed and then sweep. The last to moves i'm unsure on. Help?

Spore = Status
Leech Seed = Status
Mach Punch = 5/17 Types
Seed Bomb = 7/17 Types




Final Comments;

I like this team, it need work, but it's good.

I should say that this is for wi-fi, so please no "Jirachi would be better" or Lati's, because I can't get them fast. Unless you want to give them to me, please don't say that.

Thank You for your help in advance.

To see in-detail type match-ups, use this link, then insert my pokemon;
http://pokemon.marriland.com/diamond_pearl/team_builder/

Thanks :)

 

[Ironic Demise]

Threat List

Abomasnow: Salamence's DDed Fire Blast.

Azelf: Is frail, and is really only a lead these days. If I pick Crunch on Lucario, that'll be used.

Breloom: Salamence's DDed Fire Blast

Celebi: Salamence DDed Fire Blast, Lucario's SD'd Crunch, Togekiss's NP'd Air Slash

Dugtrio: Various EQ's. Swampert and Rhypherior.

Dragonite: Swampert's Ice Beam. Rhypheriors Avalanche or Rock Wrecker / Stone Edge.

Electivire: Various EQ's

Empoleon: Various EQ's, Lucario.

Flygon: Swampert's Ice Beam.

Gengar: Crunch from Lucario.

Gliscor: Ice Beam from Swampert.

Gyarados: Togekiss's Shock Wave.

Heatran: Various EQ's. (LOLOLOLOL)

Heracross: Togekiss's Air Slash.

Infernape: Togekiss's Air Slash, Water Attacks, EQ's

Jirachi: Lucario's Close Combat / Crunch.

Kingdra: Salamence's Dragon Claw / Outrage. Swampert's Ice Beam.

Latias: Salamence's Dragon Claw / Outrage. Swampert's Ice Beam.

Lucario: Various EQ's

Machamp: Togekiss's Air Slash

Magnezone: Various EQ's, Lucario's Close Combat

Mamoswine: Lucario's Close Combat, Breloom's Seed Bomb / Mach Punch

Metagross: EQ's, Lucario's Close Combat / Crunch, Togekiss's Aura Sphere

Ninjask: Togekiss's Air Slash, Swampert's Ice Beam, Salamence's Fire Blast

Porygon-Z: Various Fighting Attacks.

Rhyperior: Various Fighting / Ground / Water attacks.

Roserade: Togekiss's Air Slash, Salamence's Fire Blast, EQ?

Rotom-A: Rock Attacks

Salamence: Swampert's Ice Beam.

Scizor: Various EQ's and Salamence's Fire Blast

Snorlax: Various Fighting Attacks

Starmie: Breloom's Seed Bomb

Togekiss: Swampert's Ice Beam, Rhypherior's Avalance, Togekiss's Shock Wave.

Tyranitar: Various's Fighting / Ground / Water Attacks.

Weavile: Various Fighting Attacks.

Yanmega: Swampert's Ice Beam, Rhypherior's Avanlanche, Salamence's Fire Blast.

Zapdos: Rhypherior's Stone Edge / Rock Wrecker.


Defensive List

Blissey - 255/10/135
Lucario's Close Combat, and Togekiss's Set (In Togekiss's defenition)

Bronzong - 67/116/116
Salamence's Fire Blast

Cradily - 86/97/107
Various EQ's

Cresselia - 120/120/130
Lucario's Crunch

Donphan - 90/120/60
Swampert's Surf and Ice Beam.

Dusknoir - 45/135/135
Lucario's Crunch

Forretress - 75/140/60
Salamence's Frie Blast

Hariyama - 144/60/60
Togekiss's Air Slash

Hippowdon - 108/118/72
Swampert's Surf / Ice Beam.

Ludicolo - 80/70/100
Togekiss's Air Slash

Mesprit - 80/105/105
Lucario's Crunch

Milotic- 95/79/125
Togekiss's Shock Wave. Breloom's Combo (Spore + Leech Seed + Seed Bomb untill "dead")

Porygon2 - 85/90/95
Lucario's Close Combat.


Skarmory - 65/140/70
Lucario's Close Combat, Salamence's Fire Blast.

Slowbro - 95/110/80
Lucario's Crunch, Togekiss's Shock Wave

Spiritomb - 50/108/108
Various Attacks. EQ works well. Crunch can.

Swampert - 100/90/90
Breloom's Combo (Spore + Leech Seed + Seed Bomb)

Tentacruel - 80/65/120
Various EQ's, Togekiss's Shock Wave.

Umbreon - 95/110/130
Lucario's Close Combat.

Vaporeon - 130/60/95
Togekiss's Shock Wave.

Weezing- 65/120/70
Uhm. Salamence's Fire Blast? Weezing hasn't really come up.

 

[Kumar628]

Your threat list is my main concern. You're looking at it from the point of view as if they're switching into you, when you have to consider you switching into them, thus the point of "countering". A couple questions/correction (bottom-up) :
Weezing = Wall your team. Fire Blast is your best bet, but it's a 2HKO.
How could Shock Wave do anything to Vaporeon? Maybe 3HKO?
On the Swampert, I think you'd just want to Spore then Seed Bomb. Reason being, Leech Seed is a waste of a turn when he could wake up and OHKO you with Ice Beam. Just advice.
Lucario's what dents Skarmory? Lucario doesn't dent Skarmory at all without Fire/Thunder Punch.
Doesn't Hariyama usually run Ice Punch nowadays? Just be wary.
Lucario's attack is cut in half after Will-O-Wisp, right?
Cradily isn't weak to Earthquake. Ice Beam by Swampert you mean. But at that point, you'll be Toxic'd, as you can 3HKO at best (if memory serves).

Some Zapdos run HP Grass, x3 damage to Rhyperior with a super-low SPD stat.
Too bad your Breloom gets OHKOd by Starmie's Ice Beam. Which is faster by a loong shot.
How does Earthquake, unboosted, help against Scizor?
Isn't Crunch a Dark-type move, meaning it's super-effective against Ghost but not resisted by Electric?
Not to be rude, but can you understand that Ground is resisted by Grass?
Word of warning: Porygon-Z is usually on Scarfroids, so I suggest you find a way to outrun him. Then again, no one uses him anymore.
Earthquakes kill Metagross. NOT Close Combat from Lucario, as he is OHKO'd by Metagross's Earthquake or Fire Punch. Togekiss can't do anything, it's Ice Punched into nitrogen, oxygen, and other gases. Salamence is pwned too.
I think an unboostedAir Slash 2HKOs Machamp. Meaning, he can Rest and possibly DynamicPunch you, forcing a switch. That, or a simple Thunder/Ice Punch and you're gone. Other than that, he seems to be a problem.
Swampert's Ice Beam doesn't count on Kingdra.
Lucario's Crunch does not count on Jirachi. Besides, he'll Trick a Scarf onto you pretty much everytime. You don't want that. You're better off Fire Blasting with Salamence, at least he can USE the scarf with 3 attacks.
Don't lol @ Heatran. Shuca berry is becoming so much more popular on LO (former) sets because of this. He'll survive any Earthquake or Earth Power you've got, and decimate whatever you are with a HP Ice/Grass/Electric, Fire Blast, Earth Power, Dragon Pulse, or Explosion.
Rhyperior isn't a counter, as it is seriously injured by Dugtrio's outspeed and Earthquake.
Your attacks on Celebi don't have to be boosted, especially Lucario's Crunch. It will 2HKO or just force a switch at the presence of Lucario.
You don't have to worry about outspeeding Obama with Salamence, he'll obviously do it with a neutral nature and Obama at a positive one.

Also, descriptions need to be longer, I'm still unsure about what you want me to help you with aside from the threat list, which seems to be the most detailed after the building process.

 

[Ironic Demise]

Your threat list is my main concern. You're looking at it from the point of view as if they're switching into you, when you have to consider you switching into them, thus the point of "countering". A couple questions/correction (bottom-up) :
Weezing = Wall your team. Fire Blast is your best, but it's a 2HKO.
How could Shock Wave do anything to Vaporeon? Maybe 3HKO?
On the Swampert, I think you'd just want to Spore then Seed Bomb. Reason being, Leech Seed is a waste of a turn when he could want up and OHKO you with Ice Beam. Just advice.
Lucario's what dents Skarmory? Lucario doesn't dent Skarmory at all without Fire/Thunder Punch.
Doesn't Hariyama usually run Ice Punch nowadays? Just be wary.
Lucario's attack is cut in half after Will-O-Wisp, right?
Cradily isn't weak to Earthquake. Ice Beam by Swampert you mean. But at that point, you'll be Toxic'd, as you can 3HKO at best (if memory serves).

Some Zapdos run HP Grass, x3 damage to Rhyperior with a super-low SPD stat.
Too bad your Breloom gets OHKOd by Starmie's Ice Beam. Which is faster by a loong shot.
How does Earthquake, unboosted, help against Scizor?
Isn't Crunch a Dark-type move, meaning it's super-effective against Ghost but not resisted by Electric?
Not to be rude, but can you understand that Ground is resisted by Grass?
Word of warning: Porygon-Z is usually on Scarfroids, so I suggest you find a way to outrun him. Then again, no one uses him anymore.
Earthquakes kill Metagross. NOT Close Combat from Lucario, as he is OHKO'd by Metagross's Earthquake or Fire Punch. Togekiss can't do anything, it's Ice Punched into nitrogen, oxygen, and other gases. Salamence is pwned too.
I think an unboostedAir Slash 2HKOs Machamp. Meaning, he can Rest and possibly DynamicPunch you, forcing a switch. That, or a simple Thunder/Ice Punch and you're gone. Other than that, he seems to be a problem.
Swampert's Ice Beam doesn't count on Kingdra.
Lucario's Crunch does not count on Jirachi. Besides, he'll Trick a Scarf onto you pretty much everytime. You don't want that. You're better off Fire Blasting with Salamence, at least he can USE the scarf with 3 attacks.
Don't lol @ Heatran. Shuca berry is becoming so much more popular on LO (former) sets because of this. He'll survive any Earthquake or Earth Power you've got, and decimate whatever you are with a HP Ice/Grass/Electric, Fire Blast, Earth Power, Dragon Pulse, or Explosion.
Rhyperior isn't a counter, as it is seriously injured by Dugtrio's outspeed and Earthquake.
Your attacks on Celebi don't have to be boosted, especially Lucario's Crunch. It will 2HKO or just force a switch at the presence of Lucario.
You don't have to worry about outspeeding Obama with Salamence, he'll obviously do it with a neutral nature and Obama at a positive one.

Also, descriptions need to be longer, I'm still unsure about what you want me to help you with aside from the threat list, which seems to be the most detailed after the building process.

Thanks. I guess the team has too many weakeness's. I'll go back to the drawing board.

 

[MrIndigo]

LeadPert doesn't need Surf, but it does need Protect or Roar. Explosion against Swampert is quite common, and you don't even have a ghost to absorb it, so Protect is a must-have.

Togekiss should have Roost over Shock Wave. Why you're even running Shock Wave is beyond me in the first place. Without paralysis support, you probably want to maximise speed as well.

Salamence, I'd think about Dragon Claw over Outrage; locking and revenge killing is the common method of dealing with Salamence, and Dragon Claw gives you an alternative.

Breloom's strategy doesn't suit the rest of your team, which is quite offense-geared. I would drop Leech Seed and run the Superpower/Seed Bomb/Spore/Mach Punch or Substitute sets.


I'm a little concerned at how many set-up sweepers you have. You don't really have much in the way of revenge killing and have a bit of an Ice and Fighting weakness. You can't really deal with anything your opponent does, and your threat list doesn't count your ability to switch into opponents' threats.

 

[haunter]

You posted the same team just a few days ago and I told you to expand your descriptions as they were in violation of rule 3. I'm sorry, but until you fix your descriptions, this thread is going to stay locked as well.

3. Have some actual words in your post beyond your six Pokemon and their moves. Not following this makes your post quite boring to read and rate. All Pokemon should have a good reason for being in your team anyway, so why not post that reason? If you are having trouble with this one, start by giving an explanation for each team member. Why are they there? What role do they serve? How do you get them in? Then, give an explanation of how you would open with the team and how you would go about using it. All of these things help people rate your team and allow us to offer more helpful advice.

This does not mean add one sentence saying "Standard x" or "all-around awesome" after each Pokemon. If you put thought into making the team, you can put thought into posting it.

I advise that you take a look at the RMT archive to see what kind of descriptions we are looking for.