Been using a stall team for a while. Unfortunatly, I feel like you need 6 very specific walls to stop all the offensive threats, and then you have no way to set up spikes or have a ghost to stop rapid spin. I have also seen a lot of toxic orb clefables using meteor smash + facade. Anyway, has anyone been using succesful stall? Mayby I'm just out of practice. Anywhoo, on to all out offense. I am also surprised that, even with cressilia everywhere, I only saw one blaziken and no other fighters. Also surprised at the lack of moltres, since he gets an easy switchin to venasaur, the number one used guy
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Well it seems some people say "Stall is great", some people say "Balance is great", and some people (well, at least I do) say "Offense is great". Seems balanced to me....
Really though, I don't see why people think Cresselia > Offense. Houndoom? Absol? Scyther? Drapion? Rhyperior? Aggron? Mismagius? Raikou? Froslass? (You get the point).
You really have to try and not prepare for Cresselia to lose to it. I prepare for Cresselia the same way I prepare for Chansey, Registeel, Slowbro, Milotic, etc.
Also we need to kick Froslass out....I shouldn't just be able to stick it on a random team and win basically every match (9-1 with a "shitty" team at the 1550~ rating area is too good)
Really though, I don't see why people think Cresselia > Offense. Houndoom? Absol? Scyther? Drapion? Rhyperior? Aggron? Mismagius? Raikou? Froslass? (You get the point).
You really have to try and not prepare for Cresselia to lose to it. I prepare for Cresselia the same way I prepare for Chansey, Registeel, Slowbro, Milotic, etc.
Also we need to kick Froslass out....I shouldn't just be able to stick it on a random team and win basically every match (9-1 with a "shitty" team at the 1550~ rating area is too good)
I haven't played too much of this metagame, but I really think that our previous suspects (froslass and raikou) are being overshadowed by these ducks and not getting a very fair retesting. Last metagame I hated them both, well froslass mainly, but they showed their "stuff" a lot better then...at least I think so.
I never really had problems with Frosslass until i met the set thats played in hail with spikes, substitute and Brightpowder. Pure evil.
in the lead position its really limited the amount of bulky leads that can be run, such as Donphan.
I'm using a Sunny Day team of Uxie / Hitmontop / Regirock / Tangrowth / Victreebel / Arcanine and I'm hating Cresselia/Spiritomb and to top it off, Froslass leads are annoying me.
What about Absol? Higher base attack and still has access to Sucker Punch, although it is more frail. Aggron is not going to threaten Absol; it's just going to die to Superpower, too.
I'm finding that Cresselia is the least of my worries and I have seen only one PZ in the last two days. So the drop downs aren't really as bad as first thought. I am finding more cresselia counters than cresselias themselves which is kind of funny. I also think that with Cresselia coming down Raikou is being used more as it has another thing it can add to it's list of easy wins.
Funny how you keep mentioning Froslass as a Cresselia check when, really, how? She needs Shadow Ball just to be able to break Subs at +0, and lots of special attack investment with it to break at +1. Neither is likely to be a factor anyway, as Psychic 2HKOs with Stealth Rock at +0 and nearly even OHKOs at +1. Taunt is just inviting the kill for free, Pain Split doesn't work on Subs, and Spikes is wasted effort.
As for the others, all of them except Missy, Absol and Raikou (possibly Rhyperior) are 1-2HKO'd by HP Ground or Psychic without boosts, not to mention the nasty hazards weakness some of them have to deal with. Plus Absol's frail as hell with no recovery, and has to worry about Signal Beam variants. Raikou's no surefire check at all, if it comes in on Calm Mind then Cresselia can just spam HP Ground until it dies, maybe getting another Calm Mnd in if it starts boosting from the off. Missy has the best chance, but still nothing like a guarantee if switching in.
You said that last round. If it wasn't enough then, it won't be enough now. Although people really should make more of an effort to vote if they feel strongly about a particular Pokemon. We don't want that unnecessary controversy again.
Froslass has a very fast taunt and can Destiny bond out of the blue to take out a strong cress.
It's only because Cresselia hype is so high that people have loaded their team with multiple counters. Since I don't use Cress, though, I'm fine with people using crappy Skuntanks and Absols all they want.
Heysup, all of those Pokemon you mentioned other than Rhyperior get screwed over by Thunder Wave. When Cress comes out (especially later-game), you have to act immediately to shut down the assumed CM set, but if you get hit with a surprise Thunder Wave (or Trick) your counter is pretty much useless for the whole rest of the match. I'm aware that Thunder Wave/Trick isn't the reason for Cress being broken, but when you can screw over almost all counters with such a simple move, there's a problem.
Ignoring the fact that almost no Froslass run Destiny Bond outside of the lead position for a second, a non-offensive check has to be designed to last for most of the battle in order to be reliable. A Destiny Bonder is not designed to last very long by definition, and it can often be seen coming a mile away. It would be much more effective a check if Cresselia is forced to pay a heavy price by switching in and out, but she isn't. Not at all.
Um I don't want to sound rude or impudent but... Isn't that a double standard? As people are claiming that Cress is equally if not MORE broken than froslass.
PS: (I also think that Froslass should go to BL)
It's really not a double standard. People have different opinions on which Pokémon are broken. Simple as that. There were voters in Suspect 3-2 who voted Latias Uber and Manaphy OU, or Garchomp OU and one of the others Uber.
Froslass is no where near BL right now. Everyone has adjusted to it, there is no reason why we should send a good Spike user to BL territory. The fact of the matter is, its not that versatile imo. It has one effective set at best, nothing more so people can adjust to one set. Unlike Salamence in OU, it can run multiple sets therefore making it difficult to check. But that's a totally different example. In the end, Froslass has one set and it is adjustable. I agree with the previous posts, I only found Froslass scary when it was under hail. It was guaranteed three layers of Spikes (provided that Snow Cloak kicks in).
Nah... if Mismagius or Alakazam puts a sub while Absol switches in, Absol is as good as dead.
My issue with that set is that you don't utterly rape Donphan, which is one of the biggest strengths that Froslass has over the other Ghosts and Spikers.
Absol can AT BEST revenge Aggron. There is no way that Absol can switch in on Aggron, taking a minimum of 69% from Aqua Tail, the weakest move commonly used on RP sets. Low Kick KO's with SR and Head Smash always KO's.
Absol cant revenge rock polish sets
Scarf Absol sure can. People really underestimate the power of Adamant scarf Absol.
I would warn you, though, never to put pursuit on him, because even thought you might hit Cress or w/e, it's not worth getting set up on.
Adamant Scarf Absol (373.5) cant outrun Adamant +2 Aggron (398).....
you have to be Jolly
you have to be Jolly
I said I ran Adamant, I didn't say which one could revenge Aggron.
Your deviation needs to be under 100 (CRE is your 1686 rating, right, then the "rating" range is your deviation)
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