Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.

[Chou Toshio]

Pinser + Ground Type = OU (probably, maybe not considering even Heracross is struggling to hold his OU standing).

Though, yeah there's no way they could justify an "evolution" just to stick on an extra type, so if they were to do it they would have to make more changes-- but just saying, Pinser is so close to hera, just that minor adjustment would probably be enough to at least put them on the same playing field (though again, neither is exactly cut out to be a truly dominating force in OU).

 

[CCM30]

Heracross + Ground Type = OU (probably, maybe not considering even Heracross is struggling to hold his OU standing).

Though, yeah there's no way they could justify an "evolution" just to stick on an extra type, so if they were to do it they would have to make more changes-- but just saying, Pinser is so close to hera, just that minor adjustment would probably be enough to at least put them on the same playing field (though again, neither is exactly cut out to be a truly dominating force in OU).

Well, I'm sure the developers could justify giving an evolution for an extra type. It's their money they are getting, lol.

But, in all seriousness, yeah, I agree. Though, I'd like to see more usefulness out of Heracross or at least give him something new to work with...or a new evo.

 

[haunter]

Heracross just needs a strong priority move to shine. If they ever give it extremespeed or even mach punch then I predict it would rise in the top 5 used Pokemon.

 

[CCM30]

Heracross just needs a strong priority move to shine. If they ever give it extremespeed or even mach punch then I predict it would rise in the top 5 used Pokemon.

That's true. Though, don't you think Scizor would still be preferred over it? I mean, he has priority, too. And a lot more to boot.

 

[haunter]

Heracross has stab fighting attacks, and fighting is way better attacking type than steel. 85 base Speed isn't bad at all when compered to Scizor's 65. A Swords Dance Heracross with SD, close combat, extreme speed and stone edge\megahorn would be a top tier Pkm in my opinion.

 

[Chou Toshio]

Mach Punch Hera eh? Well Scizor's Bullet Punch would still be a lot more powerful, but then fighting is a better attacking type in general. While I do think that Steel/Bug is a better defensive type than Bug/Fight and that U-Turn gives Scizor a lot more utility, defensive base stats (Heracross' special bulkiness) is better suited to pursuit than Scizor's.

 

[CCM30]

That's true. And Heracross wouldn't have a 4x weakness to fire, either. Just thought I'd point that out. Bug/Fighting definitely has its advantages.

 

[Typhlosion]

But Hera does have a 4x Flying weakness, which isn't as bad as Fire, but a 4x weakness is still never good.

 

[Stylish Interval]

But Hera does have a 4x Flying weakness, which isn't as bad as Fire, but a 4x weakness is still never good.

Fire is more prevalent in standard than Flying...


I personally think that a Hera evo should be created, and it have Steel / Fighting with Technician and BP. Lol, STAB Fighting and STAB Tech Bullet Punch? Epic. 4x Resist to Dark and Rock would mean a great Ttar counter as well. Hehehehehe.

 

[Rikter]

But Hera does have a 4x Flying weakness, which isn't as bad as Fire, but a 4x weakness is still never good.

The only thing in OU that uses a Flying attack with some regularity is Skarmory though.

 

[xdevo13]

The only thing in OU that uses a Flying attack with some regularity is Skarmory though.

So does Togekiss (and Bounce Garadoes), but it is a very uncommon in OU.

If Heracross obtained Mach Punch then i think it could get up into the top 30 again, but Close Combat Defense drops + Siczor= dead Hera.
Sizcor would still be better then Hera because of the Steel typing and Better Defense.

 

[The Pokemon Pimp]

But Hera does have a 4x Flying weakness, which isn't as bad as Fire, but a 4x weakness is still never good.

I didn't know this, but Heracross only has three weaknesses (two of which, Psychic and Flying, aren't seen as much) and has 5 resistances (Ground and Fighting the best ones).

Even if Pinsir got an added fighting type in an evo, it'd be awesome. However, Bug/Ground with STAB Mold Breaker Earthquake would be excellent.

 

[Navykid]

Im actually hoping they make more pokemon with their own evolutionary line rather then just make a whole bunch of evo's for already existing pokemon like they did in DP.
I wonder how this would change the tiers. New pokemon outclassed already existing ones. The existing one would go down to BL,UU and mess up everything there :o

 

[Mario With Lasers]

I personally think that a Hera evo should be created, and it have Steel / Fighting with Technician and BP. Lol, STAB Fighting and STAB Tech Bullet Punch? Epic. 4x Resist to Dark and Rock would mean a great Ttar counter as well. Hehehehehe.

It's called Lucario ~__~

 

[Kristy Haruka]

Fire is more prevalent in standard than Flying...


I personally think that a Hera evo should be created, and it have Steel / Fighting with Technician and BP. Lol, STAB Fighting and STAB Tech Bullet Punch? Epic. 4x Resist to Dark and Rock would mean a great Ttar counter as well. Hehehehehe.

I don't think they'd make it lose its Bug type completely. o.o;

 

[Ming-Ming]

I don't think they'd make it lose its Bug type completely. o.o;

They did it with a few 'mons in the past anyway (Azurill --> Marill, Surskit --> Masquerain). This fandom expects so many surprises and changes, I wouldn't lift an eyebrow if GF did something that ridiculous.

 

[Kristy Haruka]

They did it with a few 'mons in the past anyway (Azurill --> Marill, Surskit --> Masquerain). This fandom expects so many surprises and changes, I wouldn't lift an eyebrow if GF did something that ridiculous.

But Azurill is a baby and just represents baby rats who can't swim yet or something. Normal to Water or some other type isn't very weird because it just shows how the creature adapts to its environment or something.

Surskit -> Masquerain still keeps its Bug typing. It would be weird for Heracross to evolve into something that isn't a Bug or at least part Bug, because a Pokemon can't really stop being a Bug... its not an element like Water or Fire.

 

[haunter]

Heracross already has good base stats, it doesn't need an evolution. It just needs some sort of priority to get the jump on some common revenge killers. And yes, a 4x weakness is never a good thing, but look at Heatran: it's 4x weak to the most common attacking move in standard but still...

 

[Mario With Lasers]

But Azurill is a baby and just represents baby rats who can't swim yet or something. Normal to Water or some other type isn't very weird because it just shows how the creature adapts to its environment or something.

Surskit -> Masquerain still keeps its Bug typing. It would be weird for Heracross to evolve into something that isn't a Bug or at least part Bug, because a Pokemon can't really stop being a Bug... its not an element like Water or Fire.

Well, it *can* stop being a bug, but that'd imply it would be completely different. Which means it would be better to just create a separate pokémon, instead of making it a Heracross evo.

 

[gvmgvm40]

Skorupi -> Drapion?

 

[Mario With Lasers]

Skorupi -> Drapion?

Well fuck you got us. But even then, Bug was a secondary typing, not primary.

 

[Typhlosion]

If Hera did get back in the Top 10, we could probably expect people carrying more flying moves to deal with it. I'm not necessarily speaking from experience, since i got into competitive after Plat, but i doubt fire moves were as necessary before BP Scizor. We could probably expect Staraptor moving up to OU seeing as it's a pretty good Hera counter with intimidate and what not.

 

[Intro1827]

If Hera did get back in the Top 10, we could probably expect people carrying more flying moves to deal with it. I'm not necessarily speaking from experience, since i got into competitive after Plat, but i doubt fire moves were as necessary before BP Scizor. We could probably expect Staraptor moving up to OU seeing as it's a pretty good Hera counter with intimidate and what not.

No, not really. Staraptor is awful and Fire moves would be just fine

 

[Brevenge]

If Hera did get back in the Top 10, we could probably expect people carrying more flying moves to deal with it. I'm not necessarily speaking from experience, since i got into competitive after Plat, but i doubt fire moves were as necessary before BP Scizor. We could probably expect Staraptor moving up to OU seeing as it's a pretty good Hera counter with intimidate and what not.

you would certainly see some bit of a rise in Staraptor. You would see a lot more Togekiss though and more Skarms with drill peck rather than brave bird

 

[Nintenfreak]

Alright, it seems most people either love the idea of hybrids, or despise it with a fury of a thousand suns. I get that. But Spiky-Eared Pichu got me to thinking.

1. What if Pokemon could have offspring that look like their parents to some degree? Maybe there's something special you have to do, but the offspring get special egg moves that neither parents have, like Spiky-Eared Pichu's Pain Split.

2. What if some of these special egg Pokemon had an alternate evolution path. I'm reminded how Cyndaquil was originally Honooguma, which looked like a Raichu on fire. Say they wanted to put that in the game somehow, so Pikachu Family♀ mates with a Cyndaquil Family♂, and the resulting Pichu has burners on its back and can evolve into a completely different Pokemon instead of Raichu.

Would that be more acceptable than strict hybrids?