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np: UU - Rain Drops Keep Falling on my Head

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The problem with using Dugtrio on a rain team is finding room for it. You usually have three rain sweepers, a rain lead, and two mid-game supporters. Dugtrio can't learn Rain Dance, so it can't replace a supporter. You could only have one mid-game supporter, but only having one is a very bad idea. You could run Rain Dance on one of your sweepers, but that severely limits their options, since most rain sweepers need all four of their moves. I can see how it would help in getting rid of Raikou, Toxicroak, and possibly Venusaur (I say possibly because I haven't run damage calcs), but there is just no room for it. It is better suited to a sun team, since it can learn Sunny Day, sun doesn't power up a type it is weak to, and it can get rid of opposing Fire-types.

Since you say you have used Dugtrio on a rain team, I'm interested as to what you replaced. I'm not being sarcastic, I'm just curious.
 
I indeed have two dancers + three sweepers + Dugtrio on the team I was talking about. Having two dancers does pose somewhat of a problem, in exchange I can run an actual attack move on Uxie instead of Heal Bell. It seemed to me that Dugtrio was one of the support Pokémon being talked about in the rain thread, which was why I put it on my team so that I would have an immediate answer to Registeel as well as emergency obstacles.

Speaking of which, I suppose all this should be taken to the Rain thread, but sometimes I get mixed up between these two threads lol. My last post was supposed to be about Dugtrio, though.
 
If you guys complain about rhyperior being too slow to do anything, why not pair him up with some paralysis support? Im thinking about making a team centered around CB perior with the ev spread that HeySup gave out.
 
Hood Dream said:
If you guys complain about rhyperior being too slow to do anything, why not pair him up with some paralysis support? Im thinking about making a team centered around CB perior with the ev spread that HeySup gave out.
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...Nobody is complaining about his speed. We're just saying that's whats holding him back from being broken.

I'm finding it really hard to get a foothold in this metagame..there's so much stuff to counter. Spikes, rain, rhyperior, moltres, raikou etc.

Oh and what's a good semi-defensive Raikou spread?
 
Yuggles said:
...Nobody is complaining about his speed. We're just saying that's whats holding him back from being broken.

I'm finding it really hard to get a foothold in this metagame..there's so much stuff to counter. Spikes, rain, rhyperior, moltres, raikou etc.
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That's why my motto has always been: "Kill or be killed"

You have to be the one killing, otherwise something that you don't have covered will be destroying you.
 
Heysup said:
That's why my motto has always been: "Kill or be killed"

You have to be the one killing, otherwise something that you don't have covered will be destroying you.
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QFT. You really can't go into a metagame and expect to counter everything, otherwise Stall will completely dominate. Just like how people go into Ubers or OU and go "I need to counter A-Z Pokemon" but end up without a clear cut way to win and still lose because they focus too hard on countering and not enough on winning.
 
Yeah I kinda forgot about that. For now I'm using a team with mostly special attackers to wear down the opponents.

Registeel is probably the best bet if you want to check a bunch of stuff at once imo. Rhyperior makes me want to kill myself though.
 
I've been testing CB Rhyperior on a SpikeStacking team abusing Swellow and Raikou - both benefit from the removal or weakening of Registeel and Steelix, while Swellow particularly benefits from the damage Rhyperior can amass on other physical defenders such as Milotic.

I really want to try it on a Hyper Offense team with RP Aggron, as both can play very similar roles and Aggron is extremely dangerous with its counters weakened.
 
Mmm. I don't know whether we should be talking about this, but Latias just got voted Uber. That means if we're not having Stage 3-5, we're going to have an OU metagame without Latias. What does this have to do with UU?? This probably means NP MixApe is going to go rampant again, meaning Tentacruel would have rise in usage to counter it. This would probably mean no Tentacruel in UU next tiering shift. Prepare for Moltres' domination to continue, everyone.
 
shrang said:
Mmm. I don't know whether we should be talking about this, but Latias just got voted Uber. That means if we're not having Stage 3-5, we're going to have an OU metagame without Latias. What does this have to do with UU?? This probably means NP MixApe is going to go rampant again, meaning Tentacruel would have rise in usage to counter it. This would probably mean no Tentacruel in UU next tiering shift. Prepare for Moltres' domination to continue, everyone.
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I don't think Moltres will dominate tbh. I think that it's massive SR will keep it in check and so will Milotic and Chansey
 
Man, this really sucks, I don't have my computer with me - meaning I can't use Shoddy.

However, in the few days I did play before my loss of comp, only Froslass stood out clearly as a suspect. Rhyperior is too slow, Rock Polish versions don't hit hard "enough". Moltres has always been manageable for me. Rain... is not broken IMO.

Hopefully, I can get access to shoddy in time to reach rating requirements, but I'll probably have to sit this one out. Sorry guys :(
 
shrang said:
Mmm. I don't know whether we should be talking about this, but Latias just got voted Uber. That means if we're not having Stage 3-5, we're going to have an OU metagame without Latias. What does this have to do with UU?? This probably means NP MixApe is going to go rampant again, meaning Tentacruel would have rise in usage to counter it. This would probably mean no Tentacruel in UU next tiering shift. Prepare for Moltres' domination to continue, everyone.
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Ugh, that sucks. I was really looking forward to Tentacruel. 15 more base speed than Qwilfish (who is currently the fastest water-type in UU), excellent spinning, Moltres counter...and probably a fairly successful sweeper to boot (with access to Sludge Bomb, Surf, Hydro Pump, HP Grass/Electric and Sludge Bomb on the special side; and Swords Dance, Waterfall, Poison Jab on the physical side)

Now the only thing that could come down without causing a ton of turmoil is Dusknoir...and we already have Spiritomb.

Anyway I agree with Erazor. No sweepers are really broken at this stage, the standard for excellency has simply risen since the start of new UU. Froslass, though, I'm still not sure about. So many people are running Spikestack teams these days, and I'm pretty sure it's not Omastar's fault the game is centalized around that.
 
I wish Venusaur knew stone edge... Freaking Moltres. D:

And I was looking forward to tenta becoming UU too...
 
Yeah, I was too. But I think it'll drop anyway since people won't realize how insane Mixape is since they haven't used it in forever. When they start using it again, Tentacruel will get bumped back up. So I think we might get a taste of him before he goes back.
 
We really need to hold off on these UU drops until these Pokemon start reaching the 50s or something, so that we'll now without a shadow of a doubt that they've fallen out of the OU cutoff. I mean, Cress and PZ were only mid-40s and they got the boot right away, which I thought was really arbitrary and nonsensical.

As far as I know, Tenta is hovering about that same mark. I think he would fit in with UU very well, since he only hit OU because of usage to begin with, but I don't think we should be so quick to decide that he's UU, especially since current speculation of the Latias vote leads people to believe Infernape will need a good check now more than ever.
 
shrang said:
Mmm. I don't know whether we should be talking about this, but Latias just got voted Uber. That means if we're not having Stage 3-5, we're going to have an OU metagame without Latias. What does this have to do with UU?? This probably means NP MixApe is going to go rampant again, meaning Tentacruel would have rise in usage to counter it. This would probably mean no Tentacruel in UU next tiering shift. Prepare for Moltres' domination to continue, everyone.
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No freaking way... I wanted to use Tentacruel in UU for ages... Godamnit! He could have been a staple, he could have been another viable bulky water instead of the heavily Milotic filled UU. No helmet for him...
 
SJCrew said:
We really need to hold off on these UU drops until these Pokemon start reaching the 50s or something, so that we'll now without a shadow of a doubt that they've fallen out of the OU cutoff. I mean, Cress and PZ were only mid-40s and they got the boot right away, which I thought was really arbitrary and nonsensical.
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The problem with that is that the formula used to usage-tier Pokémon actually accounts for usage trends and not just what's being used right now. The tiering accounts for all of the months since the last tier change. The fact that a formula is being used at all is proof enough that the current usage tiering system is anything but arbitrary and nonsensical.
 
Without Latias, Scarfcross takes a new hit. Tentacruel rising again too.
Hera for UU? No way, this thing is far worse than P-Z (in a "OMFG powerful" way)...
 
M BLADE said:
Without Latias, Scarfcross takes a new hit. Tentacruel rising again too.
Hera for UU? No way, this thing is far worse than P-Z (in a "OMFG powerful" way)...
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It's clearly not. (Since it was originally UU in the old [I.E lame] UU)
Tentacruel would just provide us with alternative to Milotic (tired of seeing it's face) and 100% hardcounter to Moltres.

He would make UU whole imo, and would not break the tier in any way.
Toxic spikes? Pretty bad in UU and worse when (and if) he shows up.
 
capefeather said:
The problem with that is that the formula used to usage-tier Pokémon actually accounts for usage trends and not just what's being used right now. The tiering accounts for all of the months since the last tier change. The fact that a formula is being used at all is proof enough that the current usage tiering system is anything but arbitrary and nonsensical.
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I took another look at the usage stats and it seems every other OU rested safely before the cutoff besides Cress and PZ. I could have sworn their usage was a little higher than that when they were cut off, but it appears I was wrong.

EDIT: lol PK, he was talking about Heracross being broken, not Tentacruel.
 
Sorry for the error. (I shouldn't skim)

Oh yeah, Heracross would be ridiculous in UU. Both CB and CS are stupidly powerful and it has little to no counters in UU.
 
PK Gaming said:
It's clearly not. (Since it was originally UU in the old [I.E lame] UU)
Tentacruel would just provide us with alternative to Milotic (tired of seeing it's face) and 100% hardcounter to Moltres.

He would make UU whole imo, and would not break the tier in any way.
Toxic spikes? Pretty bad in UU and worse when (and if) he shows up.
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I meant that wihout Latias, Tenta will rise on usage in OU. And Tenta also resists Hera 2 STAB attacks, thus meaning higher chances of Hera coming to UU...
What i said wasn't very clear... me and my bad english...

PS: Highly beaten. Damn.
 
I really hope Tentacruel comes back down, i think he will fit in well; he will provide milotic with some much needed competition.
 
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