Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

Misdreavus said:
When I calibrated my delay in HG/SS, my delay range was 479-489 (yes, it's a lot smaller than in D/P/Pt since the opening sequence is shorter). Emloop or PikaTimer is absolutely 100% useful for trying to hit high delays; it's almost impossible without using one of those programs. As for your last question, yes, if you find a spread you like that's on frame 1, and the Pokémon is also on frame 1, you won't have to worry about advancing the frame at all.
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BTW I'm still in the early stages of the game (only have Falkner's Badge), so what's the best way to calibrate? All I could think of is the Sudowuddo, but it might not be enough to give accurate results IMO. I may have to calibrate because we are unfortunately required to go to the burned tower to progress the game (and to create seeds for Raikou/Entei).
Although I have another questions...

If I beat Raikou & Entei, will they be regenerated after beating E4?
If I capture one but KO the other, will the KO'd one be regenerated too?
How about Ho-Oh? He'll be regenerated too if I KO him and beat the E4?
 
Emily said:
BTW I'm still in the early stages of the game (only have Falkner's Badge), so what's the best way to calibrate? All I could think of is the Sudowuddo, but it might not be enough to give accurate results IMO. I may have to calibrate because we are unfortunately required to go to the burned tower to progress the game (and to create seeds for Raikou/Entei).
Although I have another questions...

If I beat Raikou & Entei, will they be regenerated after beating E4?
If I capture one but KO the other, will the KO'd one be regenerated too?
How about Ho-Oh? He'll be regenerated too if I KO him and beat the E4?
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Yes... they will be regenerated (ONLY if you did NOT catch them...) the downside being that they are IMMEDIATELY generated iirc... and you can't RNG them (unless all the advances were done before you beat the champion) AND you only get ONE shot to do that... AND there is no way to verify your seed....

as for Ho-Oh... you can still RNG it after you beat the game... and the IVs are created when you talk to it...
 
Pokemon Coordinater777 said:
Yes... they will be regenerated (ONLY if you did NOT catch them...) the downside being that they are IMMEDIATELY generated iirc... and you can't RNG them (unless all the advances were done before you beat the champion) AND you only get ONE shot to do that... AND there is no way to verify your seed....

as for Ho-Oh... you can still RNG it after you beat the game... and the IVs are created when you talk to it...
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So Raikou & Entei are non-RNGable after beating E4 whether you beat them or not?
So the only way to RNG them is meeting them at Burned Tower for the first time?
Ummm, you have tips for easy RNGing them? (I have master balls already)
All I could think off is having Emloop on.
 
im really pretty new to rng'ing, all ive done so far is rng shiny eggs in platinum but im trying to rng a shiny lugia in soulsilver now. i used the timefinder and i found a shiny timid spread 19/1/18/30/31/30 and i want to catch it on my birthday 8/21 it says i can at 8/21/10 - 09:44:59 - 604 delay, other than resetting my ds clock where do i go from here?
 
since it's soulsilver, hitting that delay without a timer will be hard. use pikatimer. you can find it along with its instructions on the first page. as for hitting the frame, i was just about to ask the same thing.

im trying to hit frame 550 but the actual frame is 607. i have 2 roamers so how many advances do i need to do?
 
Emily said:
So Raikou & Entei are non-RNGable after beating E4 whether you beat them or not?
So the only way to RNG them is meeting them at Burned Tower for the first time?
Ummm, you have tips for easy RNGing them? (I have master balls already)
All I could think off is having Emloop on.
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They are 'RNG-able' (I hate that term <_<) It has been done multiple times by many people, including myself, it just takes patience
imapedarsag said:
since it's soulsilver, hitting that delay without a timer will be hard. use pikatimer. you can find it along with its instructions on the first page. as for hitting the frame, i was just about to ask the same thing.

im trying to hit frame 550 but the actual frame is 607. i have 2 roamers so how many advances do i need to do?
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#1 ignore the actual frame, you only need to know that if you want to encounter something after this battle
#2 kill off the roamers, they are too inconsistant with the advances they give
 
ok, so i kill the roamers.
then i need to advance the rng by 549, 551, or 555(the target frames are 550, 552, and 556).
549 is divisible by 3, so i'm gonna shoot for that.
i try to hit my seed right outside where lugia is and catch a poke.
i enter the stats of this poke in to see if i hit my seed.
if i hit my seed, then i go to the radio card and alternate between Trainer Profiles and That Town, These People 183 times(183*3=549) making sure to carefully go back to the center of the radio after going to a station and not touching other stations in between
i battle lugia
if it's shiny, i take off my pants and run into the street

This is how you do it, right? or does sweet scenting/battling lugia advance anything?
 
imapedarsag said:
ok, so i kill the roamers.
then i need to advance the rng by 549, 551, or 555(the target frames are 550, 552, and 556).
549 is divisible by 3, so i'm gonna shoot for that.
i try to hit my seed right outside where lugia is and catch a poke.
i enter the stats of this poke in to see if i hit my seed.
if i hit my seed, then i go to the radio card and alternate between Trainer Profiles and That Town, These People 183 times(183*3=549) making sure to carefully go back to the center of the radio after going to a station and not touching other stations in between
i battle lugia
if it's shiny, i take off my pants and run into the street

This is how you do it, right? or does sweet scenting/battling lugia advance anything?
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Sweet Scenting will advance the frame to [actual frame of the pokemon you caught + 6]
 
Yeh, when you catch the seed catching poke, you need to get the actual frame of that poke, add 6 (I may be wrong on this number I'll edit it in if I need to) for the actual battle, then subtract that number from your target to find out your required advances. Remember speaking to Lugia also counts as one frame

EDIT: so its +6 lol thanks Ditto.
 
okok. the first frame on this seed is actual frame of 2. so i subtract 8 and i subtract an extra 1 and i get 541, 543, 547. is this right?

EDIT: 541/3=181.
so i sweet scent
check seed
advance by going to stations that advance by 3 181 times and going to middle in between each one
then i battle lugia
if its shiny i run into the street naked?

is this right?

REEDIT: ya thanks a lot ditto.
 
Newts_Ute said:
Yeh, when you catch the seed catching poke, you need to get the actual frame of that poke, add 6 (I may be wrong on this number I'll edit it in if I need to) for the actual battle, then subtract that number from your target to find out your required advances. Remember speaking to Lugia also counts as one frame

EDIT: so its +6 lol thanks Ditto.
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Hmmm...that's good to know lol. Did you end up using a low frame spread for your Raikou? I did a very rough test run through the E4 and I ended up landing on frame 31 which means that frame 26 spread somebody posted earlier might not work. I hadn't taken care of Entei then but I don't think that changes things by more than 1 or 2 frames.
 
Your using sweet scent right? Chances are you will be catching the pokemon on method K frame 3.

[Actual frame of Method K Frame 3] + 6 = your current location

[Target frame] - [Current Location] - 1 = [Required frames to advance]

EDIT: Little Green Yoda: I used a frame of about 800, i used a whole head of sweet scents to advance my frame
 
Newts_Ute said:
Your using sweet scent right? Chances are you will be catching the pokemon on method K frame 3.

[Actual frame of Method K Frame 3] + 6 = your current location

[Target frame] - [Current Location] - 1 = [Required frames to advance]

EDIT: Little Green Yoda: I used a frame of about 800, i used a whole head of sweet scents to advance my frame
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About the advancement of Sweet Scent itself, not entirely sure. I have gotten both 2 and 3 and it seems by the pokemon I use. However, it is consistent, so it may take 1 time of hitting the seed before you can truly plan everything.
 
but i can plan as i go right?

so let's say it's frame 3 method k. actual frame is 86 so (552-93)/3=153
if it's frame 4 method k, actual frame is 191 so (552-198)/3=118

EDIT: garrrrr....there are never 2 three frame advancing radio channels on at the same time.
 
Sorry my bro-in-law turned up and would have been rude if I didnt go have a beer with him =P

In HG/SS sweet scent can be funny, sometimes 2 sometimes 3 frames, I said chances are you will be frame 3 because 3 is alot more common for some reason. Also like ditto said you can plan it after hitting your seed the 1st time, the amount of frames advanced will always be the same on the same seed. Which means if you hit frame 3 the 1st time, you will always hit frame 3 on that seed (Unless there is a NPC messing with you somewhere)
 
Grove said:
I'm assuming you have done the following:

Collected your egg ASAP after starting.
Caught a wild pokémon ASAP after collecting the egg.
Determined the wild pokémon's IV's.
Found your seed via the seed finder button.
Selected the DPPt Breeding option, from the drop down menu at the top left on the RNG reporter.
Used your found seed to generate a list of IV spreads and a corresponding frame.
Hatched your egg somewhere during or after the above.

If you've done that and found which frame your egg iv's were on, now you should make a note of the frame, and repeat. Your egg iv frame will usually vary from frame 1 - 10, I've had it as high as 11 once. Repeating this procedure a few times will help verify which frame you're saved on. This way it will be easier to select which frame you will need to use the journal to hit for your desired IV spread.
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Thanks, my frame was 14 so I'm guessing I did something wrong. I'll repeat the process a few more times. Will I expect to get a different frame (like the calibration for the 590-610 numbers) or will it always be 14 (or 15/13 if an NPC moves? After I verify the frame I am saved on, what do I need to do?
 
okay i think im getting this figured out, now if i pick a spread that is on frame 1 can i just aim for that and encounter lugia right away, and if its shiny i know i got the right delay? i keep getting really close sometimes missing the delay by as little as 1, just keep trying til i hit it?

edit: this method doesnt work, i hit the seed and delay and it wasn't shiny. what frame would i have to be on for lugia to be automatically shiny without having to advance the rng?
 
I'm a bit puzzled...
Is the RNG in HG/SS always that inconsistent?

How about Raikou & Entei?
PokemonCoordinater777 says that you only have ONE shot in RNGing them, while Newts_Ute told me that they can be RNGd even after beating E4.

Pls, I need correct answers.
 
Emily said:
I'm a bit puzzled...
Is the RNG in HG/SS always that inconsistent?

How about Raikou & Entei?
PokemonCoordinater777 says that you only have ONE shot in RNGing them, while Newts_Ute told me that they can be RNGd even after beating E4.

Pls, I need correct answers.
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It isn't that inconsistent, its just difficult at this point.

As for Raikou and Entei, you can RNG them at the Burnt Tower and you can RNG them after the e4. It's just ridiculously hard to RNG them at the e4 because you have to time your battle with Lance exactly right. It's a lot easier to just RNG them when you first encounter them. Hopefully that makes sense.
 
godudette said:
It isn't that inconsistent, its just difficult at this point.

As for Raikou and Entei, you can RNG them at the Burnt Tower and you can RNG them after the e4. It's just ridiculously hard to RNG them at the e4 because you have to time your battle with Lance exactly right. It's a lot easier to just RNG them when you first encounter them. Hopefully that makes sense.
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Why is it hard at this point?
Is it because there is a secondary RNG?
Or is it you don't know how to use Emloop?
 
I need some help with ID/SID manipulation in HG/SS, some basic steps on how to do it kinda thing, as I haven't been able to find anything for it listed in here
 
The Mole said:
I need some help with ID/SID manipulation in HG/SS, some basic steps on how to do it kinda thing, as I haven't been able to find anything for it listed in here
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its the same as D/P/Pt minus a few details, one is that the game generates your SID/ID as your shrinking down into the game world and the screen turns black so there's about a two second interval that you have to account for when hitting your target time. Additionally, the usual delay is near 5000 if you speed through the opening screen, aside form that there's not much else different.

EDIT: here's a link by rommstar detailing it
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2544971&postcount=16438
 
Emily said:
Why is it hard at this point?
Is it because there is a secondary RNG?
Or is it you don't know how to use Emloop?
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It's hard because you hav no way of verifying your seed when you battle Lance. PokemonCoordintor777 already told you this.

Honestly, you are better off RNGing one and restarting your game to get another. Or you could always trade for one. It's possible to do them after the e4 but I'm not putting myself through a massive amount of headaches when I could easily just restart my game for multiple spreads that I like on legends.

I think you should read some more articles before you keep asking questions. Get the gist of HG/SS down. ;)
 
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