Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

[Jubilee]

I know I can use the Seed Finder, but I would like to know the best place to try to callibrate because the Pokemon are really low leveled at this point of the game.

Well then either find the IV Checking Code or trade over a bunch of Rare Candies

I am trying to RNG breed shinies... didn't you need the poketech apps for it though?

This is from the front page just like every other information about the RNG

Hatching for shiny EggsEggs of a certain nature

Unlike DPPt, HGSS does not have the benefit of coin flips and happiness taps, which were used to skip through eggs until one of the desired nature and\or shininess is found. In HGSS, eggs must be hatched one at a time until the desired egg is reached. RNG Reporter (link in signature) has an option to search for very low egg PID frames, making it possible to find a shiny egg on the very first.

Download the newest RNG Reporter here
http://users.smogon.com/mingot/rngreporter.htm
And it has a tab for breeding shinies in HG/SS

 

[BlueSuperSonic1]

Well then either find the IV Checking Code or trade over a bunch of Rare Candies

Well then I guess I'm going to have to transfer about 20 rare candies to my HeartGold.

 

[Dizzybanana21x]

Is there a way to perform an open search using find initial seed by stats instead of exact IVs?

 

[playboy137]

You have to have an Adamant sync and chances are you'll have a bad SID and ID combination like everyone else who didn't RNG for it.

So I'll need to use Pandora's box to find a suitable ID and SID combination?
I have a legit cartibridge and a ROM of Platinum.
Can I just use pokesav to change my ID and SID as I don't want to go through all the game again and again for different spreads that requires different ID/SID combinations, or the RNG calls will be different if I just changed it from pokesav?
Thanks.

 

[Little Green Yoda]

What are the best places in Soul Silver to check one's seed via wild Pokemon capture? I'm on Mt. Silver right now and this level 20 Larvitar keeps popping up over and over. I have no idea if I'm too early or too late on my delay. >_<

 

[The Giritina-man]

Yes, you go to: Seed Finder. Look at the middle tab.
There you can enter the:
Year/Month/Date/Minute/Hour/Pokemon/Nature/HP/Atk/Def/SpAtk/SpDef/Speed info and hit ok.
If you were in HGSS mode, there'd be a box at the bottom.


@Little Green Yoda, I've been using Ho-oh to check my Delays and such.

 

[Duplicated]

So I'll need to use Pandora's box to find a suitable ID and SID combination?
I have a legit cartibridge and a ROM of Platinum.
Can I just use pokesav to change my ID and SID as I don't want to go through all the game again and again for different spreads that requires different ID/SID combinations, or the RNG calls will be different if I just changed it from pokesav?
Thanks.

I guess you could directly edit your ID and SID. However, I'm not sure whether that would affect your delay (which is created when you start a new game, at the scene between Prof. Oak's last sentence and your shrinking scene). If it doesn't, then you'll have to get ID/SID via Pandora's Box and start a new game.

Does anyone know where can I RNG Togepi, since you couldn't breed them?

 

[Exploits]

I have a few questions.. Can I use AR codes to check IV's and quick egg hatch without influencing anything? In other words, will the pokemon have any signs of being hacked?

 

[dragonboy52]

I have a few questions.. Can I use AR codes to check IV's and quick egg hatch without influencing anything? In other words, will the pokemon have any signs of being hacked?

No it wont be hacked it will be legit

 

[KinoFourpaws]

Re-posting this here since I'm guessing it probably isn't suitable for the SQSR thread:

Need another question answered relating to HG/SS RNG. For those who've succeeded at getting a specific spread from it early in the game (for the starters specifically), how did you manage to find out your seconds and delay? I'm not managing to find either by going by my starter's IVs using the Seed Finder on RNG Reporter. The best I've managed to do is count the seconds it takes from reset to game start for my time. I don't even know if my delay is even or odd.

There anything specific that I can do or another program I can use to try to find this stuff out? I've kept my save spot right before first talking to Elm, so I don't know if that affects my results any. And I don't want perfect stats at this point; I just want to get a decent spread that doesn't involve counting the NPCs' movements outside (meaning that, according to other people here, I'm dealing with a frame of nine, I believe). So frame shouldn't be an issue for me if I've read correctly.

Can anyone point me in the right direction for this? Best lead I have at the moment is Mingot's post in the "All Generation PRNG Research" thread saying that the average delay seems to be much lower in HG/SS. Checking that out now, but in the meantime, any pointers anyone can give would be immensely helpful.

 

[Little Green Yoda]

@Little Green Yoda, I've been using Ho-oh to check my Delays and such.

Unfortunately, Ho-oh isn't the most convenient Pokemon to reach when RNGing for Raikou.

If I run from the first wild Pokemon I Sweet Scent and Sweet Scent immediately afterwards, I should be able to identify my seed with that second Pokemon, right? It'll just be several frames further down?

 

[acinod]

3) Go to Elm's lab, save. Restart the game at the exact moment for you to get the seed for your spread - it's listed in the results as well.

4) Collect your shiny Cyndaquil!

I have the ID/PID combo I wanted and have saved in front of Elm's lab. Now the seed i want to hit is 3c02026b which gives me a shiny Cyndaquil. The time I need to meet is 2010/04/01 02:56:00 with a delay of 609. How would I go about doing this?

 

[Ferrouswheel]

So I'll need to use Pandora's box to find a suitable ID and SID combination?
I have a legit cartibridge and a ROM of Platinum.
Can I just use pokesav to change my ID and SID as I don't want to go through all the game again and again for different spreads that requires different ID/SID combinations, or the RNG calls will be different if I just changed it from pokesav?
Thanks.

As a comment, if you AR your ID/SID for trading pokemon, you can and will be blacklisted.

Unfortunately, Ho-oh isn't the most convenient Pokemon to reach when RNGing for Raikou.

If I run from the first wild Pokemon I Sweet Scent and Sweet Scent immediately afterwards, I should be able to identify my seed with that second Pokemon, right? It'll just be several frames further down?

Yes, you should be able to do that.

I have the ID/PID combo I wanted and have saved in front of Elm's lab. Now the seed i want to hit is 3c02026b which gives me a shiny Cyndaquil. The time I need to meet is 2010/04/01 02:56:00 with a delay of 609. How would I go about doing this?

I would recommend against RNGing starters, I don't believe anyone has successfully done it without the use of a Emulator.

 

[Little Green Yoda]

Hmm. This is interesting. I know that Sweet Scenting advances the RNG but this advanced it quite a bit.

The low level Larvitar is the first Pokemon I Sweet Scent on this particular seed. Its nature and stats correspond with frame 2 (as expected). The second Pokemon (which I Sweet Scent immediately for after running from the Larvitar) ends up on frame 44. I thought Sweet Scent only advances the RNG by 6 frames or so?

This is on Mt. Silver where there is no wandering NPC as far as I know and I didn't move or turn in the grass in between Sweet Scents.

 

[acinod]

I'm trying to use Pikatimer to help me hit my seed.

Basically I need to hit continue at 02:56:00 with a delay of 609 from when I reset.

So in Pikatimer I know my wanted delay is 609 and wanted second is 0, but what would my calibrated delay and second be?

 

[Ferrouswheel]

Hmm. This is interesting. I know that Sweet Scenting advances the RNG but this advanced it quite a bit.

The low level Larvitar is the first Pokemon I Sweet Scent on this particular seed. Its nature and stats correspond with frame 2 (as expected). The second Pokemon (which I Sweet Scent immediately for after running from the Larvitar) ends up on frame 44. I thought Sweet Scent only advances the RNG by 6 frames or so?

This is on Mt. Silver where there is no wandering NPC as far as I know and I didn't move or turn in the grass in between Sweet Scents.

Sweet Scenting will advance the RNG to the actual frame of the pokemon + some number. I believe it is actual frame (of the pokemon you encountered) + 6.

I'm not entirely sure how it works, I haven't started RNGing in HG yet. I never played second generation, so I thought I'd enjoy a playthrough while fainting things so that I can come back and RNG them later.

I'm trying to use Pikatimer to help me hit my seed.

Basically I need to hit continue at 02:56:00 with a delay of 609 from when I reset.

So in Pikatimer I know my wanted delay is 609 and wanted second is 0, but what would my calibrated delay and second be?

I depends, you'd want to experiment. As I mentioned to Giritina-man, I use a delay of 910 to hit delays of 660 in platinum. I do believe that you tend to hit even delays, so you might want to switch your year by plus or minus one.

 

[acinod]

I depends, you'd want to experiment. As I mentioned to Giritina-man, I use a delay of 910 to hit delays of 660 in platinum. I do believe that you tend to hit even delays, so you might want to switch your year by plus or minus one.

How do I even find my delay in HGGS at the start of the game? Also I put in a calibrated delay of 910 into Pikatimer and it when I tried to Create Timer, it says Errors in: Wanted Delay. Is this because the wanted delay is smaller than the calibrated delay? And also do I just leave the Calibrated seconds as 14.

 

[KinoFourpaws]

I have the ID/PID combo I wanted and have saved in front of Elm's lab. Now the seed i want to hit is 3c02026b which gives me a shiny Cyndaquil. The time I need to meet is 2010/04/01 02:56:00 with a delay of 609. How would I go about doing this?

What's the delay you're getting when you start the game? After floundering around for a while, I've finally found I'm hitting delays much lower than I do in Platinum. You might want to check to see if there's a shiny spread that's within the range of 480 - 510 (according to LightningFusion) if you haven't already.

I have no idea how to get a higher delay like that when one is hitting an average around 490. I was asking this question myself just a few minutes ago until I remembered I could just the minimum and maximum delays on the Time Finder. It was a "duh" moment for me. :|;

How do I even find my delay in HGGS at the start of the game? Also I put in a calibrated delay of 910 into Pikatimer and it when I tried to Create Timer, it says Errors in: Wanted Delay. Is this because the wanted delay is smaller than the calibrated delay? And also do I just leave the Calibrated seconds as 14.

You're supposed to be able to find delays in HG/SS the regular way in RNG Reporter, just with the "HG/SS" delay box checked. This early in the game, though, you're probably not going to get it to work with you. I know I didn't; I ended up pulling up a bunch of adjacent spreads for the one I was initially looking to hit in the "Seed to times / Adjacent finder" and checking them one at a time in the 490+ range in the main RNG Reporter window (with the frame I was aiming for being the only search result, but that's because I'm not going to bother with the NPC movements and just stick with the starting frame for my Totodile instead).

 

[Duplicated]

Restated my question one more time, with another question (a bit off-topic though):

Does anyone know where can I RNG Togepi, since you couldn't breed them?

And, can someone define the term CMT please. (Saw a whole bunch of them in trade thread.)

 

[acinod]

What's the delay you're getting when you start the game? After floundering around for a while, I've finally found I'm hitting delays much lower than I do in Platinum. You might want to check to see if there's a shiny spread that's within the range of 480 - 510 (according to LightningFusion) if you haven't already.

I have no idea how to get a higher delay like that when one is hitting an average around 490. I was asking this question myself just a few minutes ago until I remembered I could just the minimum and maximum delays on the Time Finder. It was a "duh" moment for me. :|;



You're supposed to be able to find delays in HG/SS the regular way in RNG Reporter, just with the "HG/SS" delay box checked. This early in the game, though, you're probably not going to get it to work with you. I know I didn't; I ended up pulling up a bunch of adjacent spreads for the one I was initially looking to hit in the "Seed to times / Adjacent finder" and checking them one at a time in the 490+ range in the main RNG Reporter window (with the frame I was aiming for being the only search result, but that's because I'm not going to bother with the NPC movements and just stick with the starting frame for my Totodile instead).

I am not sure what delay I get from the start of the game. Some users say 910 while others say 490. Personally I can't check because this early in the game, I can't just catch a Pokemon and check it's IVs.

Omegadonut previously posted that

We previously just dismissed RNGing for a starter to be too difficult to do without save states, but this method is a hell of a lot easier. I'm too busy to help people with the details most of the time, I just figure out how to make difficult stuff easier.

The method he briefly stated said I had to hit my seed but how do I do this?

 

[KinoFourpaws]

I am not sure what delay I get from the start of the game. Some users say 910 while others say 490. Personally I can't check because this early in the game, I can't just catch a Pokemon and check it's IVs.

If it helps to know any, the delay I just got for this reset almost definitely looks like it's 498. The only way I know how to check is to train the guy up until I can get a few exact/almost exact IVs, though, and then running through the adjacent spreads for the seed I reset for (which was relying on a delay of 595, so yeah... ). Obviously this takes quite a bit of time.

The only way I can think of to hit your seed is to just keep aiming for one in the range of delays you know you can hit, once you've figured that out, then resetting and checking each time, unfortunately. I'm sure OmegaDonut would know much better about how exactly to do it. Sorry I can't really help you there. :/

 

[Jubilee]

Restated my question one more time, with another question (a bit off-topic though):



And, can someone define the term CMT please. (Saw a whole bunch of them in trade thread.)

This should be posted in SQSR...
But anyways CMT mean CHeck my Thread
Ie Check my Thread for Scizor etc...

Does anyone know where can I RNG Togepi, since you couldn't breed them?

And your question confuses me... You can Breed Togepi's... Unless you mean something else...
EDIT: Even if Togepi cant breed why does it matter? Why not use a Togetic and Breed it to get a Togepi? -__-

 

[acinod]

If it helps to know any, the delay I just got for this reset almost definitely looks like it's 498. The only way I know how to check is to train the guy up until I can get a few exact/almost exact IVs, though, and then running through the adjacent spreads for the seed I reset for (which was relying on a delay of 595, so yeah... ). Obviously this takes quite a bit of time.

I delay of 498 would mean it takes you 8.3 seconds from the start of your soft-reset to the time you press continue. That is pretty fast. I used a stopwatch (pretty inaccurate) and the time I soft-reset till the time I press continue, it was around 14 seconds!

 

[YodaJM]

I would try using a calibrated delay of 500, average being about 490 - 510. And use 14 seconds since thats what you got on the stop watch.

The only way to know if you hit your seed is if you get your shiny. Its on frame if I remember correctly so you don't need to advance the frame. Just save before talking to Elm, or before picking a Poke, but once you save before picking a poke, you can't leave until you pick one.

Edit: Unless you have access to an AR which you can then spawn a bunch of rare candies and feed them to your starter to find out what seed you wound up hitting.

 

[KinoFourpaws]

I delay of 498 would mean it takes you 8.3 seconds from the start of your soft-reset to the time you press continue. That is pretty fast. I used a stopwatch (pretty inaccurate) and the time I soft-reset till the time I press continue, it was around 14 seconds!

Actually, my time from reset to game start is more like 13 seconds. I'm pretty sure I'd be getting very different results if it were eight...

The delay apparently increases AROUND sixty times per second, but not consistently or exactly, so it's not likely that applying a consistent mathematical multiplier is going to yield a result that makes sense. >_> I'm usually hitting a delay somewhere between 599-607 on Platinum, and it takes me 14 seconds to go from reset to continue on that game. I have no idea how that works, personally.