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Brass said:
what are people using to absorb sleep as it is all over the tier
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Resttalkers, anything that can take a million hits before dying (Registeel), Pokemon with instant recovery and Marvel Scale (lol), or the team member I have the least issue with dying at the time (anything).

That said, I wouldn't advise trying to send Banette, Vigoroth, or Primeape in on Venusaur, as there's a good chance you're just going to get hit and die. Hypno is probably the most useful sleep-immune Pokemon in UU, so if you're seriously worried about sleep absorption, I would give it a shot and see how it treats you. I've tried to use it on a couple of different occasions, but seriously slows down the momentum for an offensive team.
 
Random Pizzaman said:
Run a rest talker or Clefable w/ an Orb if you want a sleep absorber honestly?

@Heysup: CB Blaziken hits hard, but what does it honestly have over CB Hitmonlee? They have the same Atk iirc, and CC > Flareblitz (except for the obvious immunity - nothing that a Pursuiter or a pokemon that reliably beats the ghosts can't solve). The higher speed helps vs Modest Moltres and the ton of pokemon at base 85 and below. And it has some priority to hit with too.
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Choiced Fire is far far far better than Choiced Fighting for obvious reasons (albeit Houndoom and Ninetales do exist). Choiced Fighting is a much better sweeping type, but when it comes down to wall breaking, Fire is far better for the sole reason that it OHKOes every Ghost-type in the metagame. It also hits Venusaur hard.

Additionally, Blaziken has more resistances, giving it an easier time switching in. It has Superpower to hit whatever CC would hit (almost everything that's relevant is a OHKO anyway).

However the real clincher here is ThunderPunch in my opinion. Being able to 2HKO Slowbro is absolutely necessary for a wallbreaker, especially when considering the popular balance core of Moltres, Slowbro, and Registeel.

Also, Blaze is the shit.

Hitmonlee is a much better sweeper due to its Speed, priority, and lack of recoil, but as far as wallbreaking goes, CB Blaziken is better (at least in my opinion).
 
Altaria is a fantastic ResTalker, as it can switch into Venusaur and pretty much wall it completely. It can run DD/Outrage/ResTalk or ResTalk/Roar/Dragon Pulse, both of which are pretty good sets.
 
i wouldn't run restalk since you have heal bell and roost. you could run rest and switch out foe natural cure cheese though
 
I absolutely love how people switch in a Dugtrio to take a Venusaur Sleep Powder only to trap themselves a Choiced Venusaur.
 
I find Blazikens dual stab very important to the CB set it just makes it that much more powerful and allows him to hit more threats.
Also the versatility of blaziken has many people thinking he is mixed being standard. This adds a surprise factor to both scarf and banded sets.
 
The problem is that Venusaur can, if it really really wants to, beat Altaria with some moveset tweaks. The reason I stopped using the Crotaria that everyone is in love with now (I used it extensively during Yanmega meta) is because all the Venusaur and Roserade on the ladder just started running Return/HP Ice to fuck me over. If enough people use it, people are going to adapt their Venu sets (again -___-).
 
Thorns said:
i wouldn't run restalk since you have heal bell and roost. you could run rest and switch out foe natural cure cheese though
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But if you run ResTalk you can Roar the Venusaur while it tries to set up on you. Otherwise you switch in, take sleep and SR damage, then switch out. I'd prefer to have a chance of Roaring the Venusaur and in the process potentially harming something with Spikes/SR and nullifying its setup in the process.
 
I run Dragon Dance over Roar, since if Venusaur tries to set-up SDs on me (which is stupid because then I'll realize it has Return and switch to Registeel), I can set-up DDs on it. Venusaur takes Life Orb damage, while you can heal it off and nail it with Outrage, which if chosen by Sleep Talk, doesn't even lock you in. I guess it's preference: Roar if you like defense, DD if you like offense.
 
I'm here to say one thing: who needs Moltres when we have Magmortar!

Porygon 2 support is all Magmortar needs. It easily gets rid of Dugtrio, and paralizes many pokes for Modest Magmortar to start Fire Blast/Thunderbolt everything in sight.

Most pokes Magmortar can't deal (Altaria, Feraligatr for example) are taken by P-2 itself.

Slap in something against fighting pokes, and you're good to go.
 
I've tried to trap myself a Venusaur, but it seems scarfers are getting rarer and SD Venus are super common.

Would be great fun to pull off, though.
 
shrang said:
I absolutely love how people switch in a Dugtrio to take a Venusaur Sleep Powder only to trap themselves a Choiced Venusaur.
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I've pulled if off before, but only once.

Now that I'm thinking of Dugtrio. I've found Earth Plate to be a fantastic option as an item. It still gives EQ the boast it needs to 2/OHKO its needed target, but the surprise factor of bluffing a choice item is what's really fantastic. After EQ, most people people thinks it's banded after seeing the lack of life orb recoil. So they send in their Moltres or Mismagius, thinking that they'll get to set up on your "switch". When, suddenly, they get struck with Stone Edge and Night Slash respectivly. Stone Edge is still a OHKO on Moltres even with no boast (It's also a 2HKO on DD Altaria. Who still couldn't outrun Duggy after 1 DD with a neutral speed nature). Night Slash does around 70-75% to Maggy. Since they tend to try to set up sub on the suspected switch, it SR is up, then they would fail, and you get the extra kill. Earth Plate is really a great bluff. :)
 
M BLADE said:
And i ask: with paralysis support, what do you prefer: Magmortar or Moltres?
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Oh still Moltres for sure. Paraflinch Air Slash hax ftw. You also get the option of forgoing HP Grass in order to do a SubRoost combo that occasionally takes advantage of full paralysis, whilst still stallng out Stone Edges and whatnot from problem Pokemon, sometimes even more conveniently.
 
Magmortar is only probably better when you want to run Specs and nuke things without being able to afford a Spinner on your team. He can switch in a few more times than Moltres (See SR), so he can run a hit and run set better than Moltres can.
 
Tripling Moltres.
It resists a good amount of priority moves in UU, healing, air slash is pure BS, it's speedier. (90+ speed is fantastic in UU)
And it can take a hit.


(I did NOT know that Magmortar was frail)
 
Magmortar is much, much better at dealing with bulky waters and Chansey, but Moltres has better overall utility. UU has always been about Pokemon who can perform multiple roles efficiently as opposed to Pokemon who are very good at a specific niche, which is why Moltres is used more over Magmortar.
 
There you go!

Let's see:
Magmortar can take Chansey. I rather use Blaziken though...

Anyway, what Heysup quoted from me isn't to take so seriously: look, there's a exclamation point there!



Anyaway: i was merely poitnting out a nice partner for a hit and run poke. P-2 isn't a nice Moltres partner IMO (what about Quagsire? Maybe Lanturn?), but for Magmortar...

My question was merely because Heysup was missing the point of the post: don't take the first line so seriously, guys!
 
Dunno about that... i used Blaziken only twice, and it was the SD and Agility BP sets.
SD hits HARD. Too bad Moltres is everywhere...
 
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