So you think it would be better to defeat Lugia now and come back later? He'll "respawn", correct?
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yes and yes.... the only ones that become harder the second time around are Entei and Raikou IMO
Thanks to both of you, now I can finally progress more through the game. xD I feel kind of sad to KO Lugia. :U
I've calculated a four digit SID for my HG game. The starter pokemon was shiny. I've used an AR to check this. It comes out the same using Pearl or HG with the AR. But I also calculated using IVs
PID: 1785959137 [6A7392E1] | Created by Method 1 | Gender Number: 225 | Ability: 1
1 possibility
0110101001110011
1001001011100001
1111111111010011
0000011101000000
1856 SID HG
Anyone can tell me if this SID must be used as it is (four numbers long) in RNGReporter? Or do I add a zero at the front to make it five numbers long?
PID: 1785959137 [6A7392E1] | Created by Method 1 | Gender Number: 225 | Ability: 1
1 possibility
0110101001110011
1001001011100001
1111111111010011
0000011101000000
1856 SID HG
Anyone can tell me if this SID must be used as it is (four numbers long) in RNGReporter? Or do I add a zero at the front to make it five numbers long?
you can add it or not still gives you the same results
If I asked you if you wanted 000010 dollars or 10 dollars which would you prefer?
....
they are
_the same number_
and you dont need to add zeros to the front for rng reporter.
it's smart enough to know that 010 and 000000000000000010 are the same thing.
Did you enter the initial route the roamers were on when you saved the game? If the RNG puts them back on the same route, then it will reroll and send them to a new route; this also advances the frame by one extra.
He calls about E for evolution, K for Kanto and P for Pokérus.
Firstly, which RNG are you talking about? When abusing for eggs, there are two different Random Number Generators in the game. The first is the IRNG, which is used to get the PID, and hecne determines shininess, nature, gender and ability. The IRNG frames are the ones that are advanced by coin flips and happiness checker taps in Platinum; in HG/SS, the only way to advance it is to generate an egg. (Well, except for the possible research I mentioned). That is, if your shiny egg is on frame three, you will have to generate three eggs to get to it. The normal RNG is advanced by the radio, phone calls to Elm, and so on; it's used to determine the IVs of the egg, but not the PID.
The Pokéon doesn;t have to be level 50. RNGReporter actually only cares about the IVs of the caught Pokémon; it uses the stats to work out what they are, and a higher level means it can work out the IVs more accurately. If you work out the IVs yourself (for example, using a few rare candies and metalkid's IV calculator (Google it)) you don't need to worry about the level; so, the level 42 Donphans at the base of the mountain will be fine, for instance.
Where were you calling Elm? You can't get phone reception in Lance's room, so I assume it was before. In which case, a few things could have given you the extra frames. The NPC in the Pokémon League lobby can move and give a few frames. Calling Elm adds one frame each call, as usual. If you walk 128 steps with 6 Pokémon in your party, add 6 frames; it's possible your invisible 128 step counter ticked over on the way to Lance.
Sure! In Lugia's cave, there are no wild Pokémon, no radio reception and no phone reception. That means the best way of checking your seed is the roamers method. Make sure you have at least one of the roamers roaming around; the more you have out, the easier it is. Now presumably you'll want Lugia a specific nature, so get a synchroniser of that nature. Find a good spread as usual, and note what frames it appears on with your syncher, taking into account the advances the roamers give. Save in front of Lugia. Now, try and hit your seed as usual; verify if you've hit it or not by checking the roamer's positions. (Make sure you enter their initial positions into RNGReporter when you save, and account for any adidtional frame advances this gives!) If you hit your seed, now advance your frame using the 128 steps method; that is, 128 steps will advance your frame by the number of Pokémon in your party. With the syncher, hopefully this gives a frame where you can get your spread (you might need to go back and leave a Pokémon in the box and try with 5 or less if the maths doesn't work out). It's easiest to count the number of steps it takes to cross Lugia's cavern, and then work out how may back and forths you need to make.
I think it's the youngster at the bottom of the route who moves... Maybe?
You can't use the Elm method in Lugia's cave.
You could just use an ID and SID that isn't yours in the Shiny Egg Finder if you specifically want a non shiny.
it could be the youngster... does he still advance it even if he is off-screen... if so FUCK HIM
yes its him that moves and advances frames I think he's the only one on that route that moves.
well then... he sucks... and it advances even when he's off-screen? asshole....
yep that's explained on the first page, NPCs advance frames even while off screen as long as they are on the same route you are.
is this on DPPt? if so are you making sure that you have 6 pokes when you are doing the taps and coin flips? it MUST be 6.... not 3, not 5, SIX... 6.... S6
So basically, If I just want it to be shiny with a given nature (I have parents with good Ivs to pass on, so I'm not worried about that.), I just have to determine the frames, get that many eggs, and hatch the last one. So if the frame is like 12, I hatch the 12th egg.
I feel like thats too easy. All that is is getting eggs over and over again until you get a shiny one, except you know which one will be shiny.....
I did that.
your pokes were NOT in the daycare while you were doing this, correct?
Provided you hit your seed, of course; but basically, yes. You can use the roamers or Elm method to check you've hit the seed; it's best to do this abuse in the Daycare Centre, before handing the parents over.
Have you checked to see what frame egg you did get? Search around on RNGReporter near your target shiny egg, assuming you're not too far off.
There are a few pitfalls that can trip you up with this method. As mentioned, you have to have 6 Pokémon in your party to do RNGReporter's flips and taps (or you can work out the flips and taps yourself, using any number of party members). Make sure the Happiness Checker app isn't active when you start the game or when you enter any room, and that you don't switch onto it at any time other than when doing the taps.
You can follow the flips yourself one by one on RNGReporter to make totally sure you're where you should be if you like; or even replace a tap with the right number of flips to keep checking.
You've folllowed the flips one by one and had them all match and then got the wrong egg? Not even the right nature?
Oh, one last common pitfall: is either parent international? If so, do you have the right method selected in RNGReporter?
Okay, a slow but sure method. Here's an example:
Using the Seed Finder I found my initial seed; let's say it was 11111111. I currently have the coin flip app open, and it's been open since I started the game.
I go to RNGReporter's main page, scroll to DPPt Egg PID (Normal), tick the shiny box and hit Generate. Let's say a shiny egg appears on Frame 20. (Aren't I lucky?) Now, untick the shiny box and Generate again; the whole list appears. I now work out how to get from my starting frame (1) to my target frame (20). That's 19 advancements. I know that one coin flip advances by one; switching to the happiness checker advances by two times the number of Pokémon in my party; and double tapping the happiness checker advances by two time the number of Pokémon in my party. So, I switch to the happiness checker; that's 12 advances, I'm now on frame 13. I switch back to the coin flip. Looking at the list RNGReporter has generated, each PID has a coin flip result that comes with it, as follows:
Seed: 11111111
Frame:Flip Result
1 H
2 H
3 T
4 T
5 T
6 T
7 T
8 H
9 T
10 H
11 H
12 T
13 H
14 H
15 T
16 T
17 T
18 T
19 T
20 T
So, I flip the coin to see where I am; as expected, I get the heads for frame 13. The I flip the coin, one by one, checking each time that I get what's expected. After I do frame 19 I'm on frame 20; so now, instead of flipping the coin, I put the parents in the Daycare and generate an egg.
Do a similar method for larger numbers, only with more taps.
Oh, one last common pitfall: is either parent international? If so, do you have the right method selected in RNGReporter?
Okay, a slow but sure method. Here's an example:
Using the Seed Finder I found my initial seed; let's say it was 11111111. I currently have the coin flip app open, and it's been open since I started the game.
I go to RNGReporter's main page, scroll to DPPt Egg PID (Normal), tick the shiny box and hit Generate. Let's say a shiny egg appears on Frame 20. (Aren't I lucky?) Now, untick the shiny box and Generate again; the whole list appears. I now work out how to get from my starting frame (1) to my target frame (20). That's 19 advancements. I know that one coin flip advances by one; switching to the happiness checker advances by two times the number of Pokémon in my party; and double tapping the happiness checker advances by two time the number of Pokémon in my party. So, I switch to the happiness checker; that's 12 advances, I'm now on frame 13. I switch back to the coin flip. Looking at the list RNGReporter has generated, each PID has a coin flip result that comes with it, as follows:
Seed: 11111111
Frame:Flip Result
1 H
2 H
3 T
4 T
5 T
6 T
7 T
8 H
9 T
10 H
11 H
12 T
13 H
14 H
15 T
16 T
17 T
18 T
19 T
20 T
So, I flip the coin to see where I am; as expected, I get the heads for frame 13. The I flip the coin, one by one, checking each time that I get what's expected. After I do frame 19 I'm on frame 20; so now, instead of flipping the coin, I put the parents in the Daycare and generate an egg.
Do a similar method for larger numbers, only with more taps.
I have a question for Emerald Breeding RNG abuse. I heard on the guide for it that you can save before getting an egg because the nature, gender, and ability have already been determined. Then, once you have the correct n/g/a, you can SR for the correct IV's. So that means the game makes two RNG calls at two different times - one when the game determines that you have an egg, which creates the n/g/a, and the other RNG call after you recieve the egg, which creates the IV's. Is this correct?