Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.

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I quite agree with Lucalibur; Steel, Dragon and Ghost acutally do make sense compared to Sound, Artificial, Void and others like that. Granted none of them are true elements (A substance made up of one kind of atom.) But this game is also meant to be a children's game. (At least the Story and Catch'em all portions)

In argument to the Light-type, It could exist but it partially exists in the Fighting-type. Plus, How would this type be balanced?
 
Ice needs to hit Neutral on Water... I think that would nerf the Dragon+ Bulky Water a little, so Ice gets slightly more use etc. Nvm, sounds stupid actually!

And every poison move needs 10% Chance to induce Poison status if used with STAB. Every move that already has this effect gets +10% Badly Poison. More Hax, but a big buff to Poison!
 
i agree on poison being SE against water since it does make sense though i dont see why it would be against fighting (give the fighter some drugs before the fight?), grass being NVE against dragon dont make a lot of sense but it continue the tradition of dragon resisting all starters STAB moves (zard-fire, veno-grass, toise-water and pika-eletric)
 
I view the Fighting type more so as a type which relates to human beings, or pokemon which are humanoid in nature.

Humans are very susceptible to poisons, so Fighting should be susceptible to the Poison type. That's how I see it.
 
BuddyBlueBomber said:
I believe Poison should be super effective against both Water and Fighting.

Grass should do neutral damage to Dragon and Steel
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Oh awesome, someone whom I agree with.

And yes, it's bullshit that the other elements are neutral/effective to steel while grass has to suck [as per usual]

As for flying versus grass, while it's great and would differentiate grass from bug, you'd end up screwing flying. [Which is already not that good of a type]

And Light and Dark types should be super-effective against each other, that could be fairly interesting. Or you could make it so that they're also sort of opposites, with Light being super-effective against dark's weaknesses and the other way around. [Meaning Ghost and Psychic {and dark} would be super effective against Light]
 
Look, the discussion on whether or not dragons existed has absolutely nothing to do about anything important here. It's best just to drop it. Save it for IM, or PMs, or whatever.
 
i was just editing my other post saying we should change subject and continuing the types talk when it was deleted but that aside i was TRYING to say i think some pokemons like charizard and gyarados just dont deserve what they got, i mean look at those 2, i know about anciend legends and everything but why in the god damn world is gyarados even part flying? does that make sense at all? they did made gyarados fly in the anime and everything but...well you know. same for charizard, i know dragon would be way too good of a type for a starter pokemon but it would make sense for him to get a dragon typing instead of a crappy flying one. STAB on dragon and fire is way better then fire and flying that is for sure, that aside i still continue my argument about the light type. it should never exist since we dont need one.
 
Sorry for the off topic discussion guys.

But back on-topic, I don't really see any need for new types; the chart itself isn't really unbalanced, it's more the pokemon of that type:
For example, people say poisions are bad, but of the 4 with over a 500BST, 2 are OU, 1 is BL and the other is the most used UU.

Whereas with Dragons, they all have 500+ BSTs, bar Altaria, who is the only UU dragon
 
BuddyBlueBomber said:
I view the Fighting type more so as a type which relates to human beings, or pokemon which are humanoid in nature.

Humans are very susceptible to poisons, so Fighting should be susceptible to the Poison type. That's how I see it.
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Thank you, I've been saying that forever. And doesn't Normal work right along the same vein? As in, you know, regular animals or humanoid creatures? I'm almost certain my lawn isn't the first thing I'm thinking of when I encounter some form of acid or toxic gas.

@ LickThePaint: Good point, we need more people thinking like that. The system doesn't need to be revolutionized, the ideas within do. There are still plenty of type combos that need to be explored, as well as different stat spreads for each type.
 
LickThePaint said:
Sorry for the off topic discussion guys.

But back on-topic, I don't really see any need for new types; the chart itself isn't really unbalanced, it's more the pokemon of that type:
For example, people say poisions are bad, but of the 4 with over a 500BST, 2 are OU, 1 is BL and the other is the most used UU.

Whereas with Dragons, they all have 500+ BSTs, bar Altaria, who is the only UU dragon
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we can make a bst+600 bug/flying pokemon and he will be mid/low tier OU at best, we can make a BST+500 dragon/steel pokemon and he will be top OU. i think the typing IS really important but the pokemon stats are also important.
 
I didn't say typing was unimportant, just that other things are more important. I mean, look at Yanmega - fairly bad defensive typing of Bug/flying, and a middling (by OU standards) BST of 515, but its abilities and awesome SATK still make it BL. The only real issue with Bug/Flying typing is Stealth Rock weakness, since it also gets 4x resist to fighting and immunity to ground, 2 very common attacking types, which coupled with 86/86 physical defense would make it kinda bulky if it didn't lose half its health every switchin
 
I think they should really make flying an asset to have, instead of a liability beyond Ground immunity and Fighting resistance. Many birds in the world have waterproof feathers, so maybe flying could resist water? That certainly would be a good one.

And no one's complaining about Poison pokemon, we're complaining about the Poison type :P

Poor Altaria.

SJCrew said:
Thank you, I've been saying that forever. And doesn't Normal work right along the same vein? As in, you know, regular animals or humanoid creatures? I'm almost certain my lawn isn't the first thing I'm thinking of when I encounter some form of acid or toxic gas.
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Actually, Normal type would be a good candidate for a Poison weakness. The only qualm I have about it is that the whole point about Normal type is to have as little effect on other types as possible, so in that note Poison should not be super effective. If that wasn't the case, I would agree full-heartedly
 
The type itself isn't that bad though, 2 weaknesses, and one to a very uncommon attack type; it's just a shame Ground is so common. If there were some decent posion types, though, it wouldn't be seen as so bad
 
Actually the BST works against you in this case - just look at Skarmory and, of course, Scizor. 465 and 500 respectively, and yet I need not write about their [particularly the latter's] popularity.

I think steel is just broken and the amount of OU steels is pretty much a testament of that.
And dragons, well, all I know is that pretty much nothing but Blissey and Steels can tank a draco meteor well.
 
Lord Jesseus said:
Like ducks and pelicans? As in, Psyduck in Pelipper? Any bird that would have this feature would more than likely be water type and already resist water.
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Very good point.

@LickThePaint: Thing is, Poison has no useful resistances (Except Fighting), and is the worst offensive type in the game. Even moreso than Normal and possibly Grass, which is saying something.
 
LickThePaint said:
The type itself isn't that bad though, 2 weaknesses, and one to a very uncommon attack type; it's just a shame Ground is so common. If there were some decent posion types, though, it wouldn't be seen as so bad
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Even if we were to ignore for a second that most Poison pokemon have mediocre defensive stats, they're still going to be held back by the fact that Poison is such a piss-poor STAB option. A lot of Pokemon in the standard metagame are immune to it and it hits almost nothing for super effective damage. A small chance for passive damage doesn't offset this in the slightest.
 
Lucalibur said:
dark is the USA name while evil is the original name, so if you guys want a light type then there should have a GOOD type right?! since evil=dark so good=light,
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What's all this then? Haven't you spewed this bullshit already? "Light only make sense in America because it isn't Dark in Japan, and Japan has different cultural beliefs regarding light/good and dark/evil".

Oh, well, I guess that might be true.

Except in Final Fantasy, Skies of Arcadia, Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, Devil May Cry, Bayonetta, Okami, Shadow of the Colossus, Legend of Zelda, Castlevania, Kingdom Hearts, Dynasty Warriors, the motherfucking Yin-Yang.
 
i am pretty damn sure that if fire was resisted by only 1 type and there was no flash fire people would complain about specs overheat everywhere, the thing is that the dragon type just cant be nerfed or else it will become a bad type just like poison, the steel type is broken on the DEFENSIVE for a reason, i dont see steel being easy to break in real life so why it would be different here?
 
BuddyBlueBomber said:
I'll have to say right now that the only good thing about being Poison type is the immunity to the status effect. And even then it's not worth it.
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And the exclusivity of toxic spikes [yes yes I know of forty and smeargle, but still] and the ability to remove them, but yeah, it mostly sucks otherwise.

Lucalibur said:
i am pretty damn sure that if fire was resisted by only 1 type and there was no flash fire people would complain about specs overheat everywhere, the thing is that the dragon type just cant be nerfed or else it will become a bad type just like poison, the steel type is broken on the DEFENSIVE for a reason, i dont see steel being easy to break in real life so why it would be different here?
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Well... yeah. But fire isn't like that... this is called "balance". So what sort of sense does your argument make?
You're basically saying "if fire were like dragon, then overheat=draco meteor=broken"... well duh?
And you can nerf something without raping it. We just need more Pokemon that resist or hell are even immune to dragon. Like... a light type!

Also, the steel thing is just dumb. "Oh well it makes sense that steel should be good defensively, fuck the gameplay the only important thing is that it stays relatively true to real life! Let's screw up the game because of 'sense!"
Not?

And steel is just bruuuuken. Resisting 11 types? Come.On. Hell it ain't even bad offensively to compensate for that.
 
he IS bad offensively, he is just a fighting type wannabe, SE on 2 types and resisted by a lot of common shit, he also got 3 very common weakness that people abuse. steel types like magnezone also get somewhat limited movepools, having STAB moves, hidden power, some utility move and sometimes explosion what barely make 2 movesets, others like metagross are walled by common shit and even with a base 135 atack his meteor mash still cant break rotom and friends, about the light type, instead of adding a retarded type like that they could just make some random shit like rock resist dragon or whatever, there is exactly no need for any new type.
 
BuddyBlueBomber said:
Very good point.

@LickThePaint: Thing is, Poison has no useful resistances (Except Fighting), and is the worst offensive type in the game. Even moreso than Normal and possibly Grass, which is saying something.
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I'd hardly say bug and grass resists are useless. Not the best, but certainly not useless -- and just because it has poor coverage doesn't mean it's useless either. Steel has pretty mediocre coverage, but Scizor, Jirachi and Metagross all do just fine. It's more to do with Stats and moves than typing

And @SJ Crew, that's why my point is that better poison pokemon, and not a type overhaul, would be useful -- Tenta is pretty useful as a bulky water, and is certainly aided by his grass neutrality and fighting resist, though admitedly the ground week is a pain.
 
Lucalibur said:
he IS bad offensively, he is just a fighting type wannabe, SE on 2 types and resisted by a lot of common shit, he also got 3 very common weakness that people abuse. steel types like magnezone also get somewhat limited movepools, having STAB moves, hidden power, some utility move and sometimes explosion what barely make 2 movesets, others like metagross are walled by common shit and even with a base 135 atack his meteor mash still cant break rotom and friends, about the light type, instead of adding a retarded type like that they could just make some random shit like rock resist dragon or whatever, there is exactly no need for any new type.
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Yeah steel type is so awful offensively, NOBODY uses Bullet Punch, Iron Head and Meteor Mash mirite?

And why not add a new type? Why fuck around so much with the older types when you can add a new exciting type [and the resulting cool Pokemon] AND solve your problems?

DERP LIGHT IS SO RETARDED - what the fuck's retarded about Light?
It's like in every other RPG ever. Plus I don't take this shit from someone who thinks Zoroark is a well designed Pokemon.
 
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