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Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.
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Choice Specs Modest Heatran with max Special Attack using Overheat in sunny weather after getting passed +6 Special Attack and Helping hand after activating Flash Fire on a level 1 Paras with -6 Special Defence and a negative nature. Check it.
Edit: Oh, and I'll laugh if all we get is a Normal type Eeveelution. Pfbt.
Edit: Oh, and I'll laugh if all we get is a Normal type Eeveelution. Pfbt.
if the normal eeveelution kept adaptability, its flails would be sick nasty
Oh, and it's a critical hit.
The situation would deal 66334400%-78040500% damage.
If Metronome item was used, it would take 5 turns to equal the damage Choice Specs deals. After 10 turns, you end up with.
88446033.3% - 104054200% damage
Also, a normal eeveelution would get the standard normal move pool of thunderbolt, thunder wave, ice beam, blizzard, shadow ball, ... you know, because that shit's the first thing I think about when i think "normal."
(gamefreak is insane)
(gamefreak is insane)
me wonders...what about if instead it was a kyogre with water spout doing that (during rain, of course) on a water-weak pokemon (4x weakness, pretty lame) (slugma, magcargo)
or maybe something crazy, like explosion....against something just plain weak
you forgot dig, earthquake, and flamethrower....oh yeah, and psychic and beat up, cause never can inflict as much damage as when you attack with your mind and when you get your friends to help you
+6 Power Tricked max Def Shuckle with Pure Power Skill Swapped to it, holding a Metronome, with its partner using Helping Hand on the 5th Rollout on the 11th set (so Metronome can get a chance to fully take effect) after it's used Defense Curl, on a -6 Lv. 1 min Def Ledyba (for max damage) or Shedinja (for max percentage) and hitting it with a critical hit. Heatran doesn't even come close to this, since Pure Power nearly takes care of Flash Fire and Sun and the fifth turn of Rollout after a Defense Curl has 960 Base Power compared to Overheat's 140. Me First could possibly increase the damage done, but I don't think it could work properly with Rollout or Metronome.
Edit:
These were calculated here and I'm pretty sure it calculates a little higher damage than it should but it's still very close. Also, it doesn't have Metronome so I just doubled the Base Power.
4912 Atk vs 1 Def & 11 HP (1920 Base Power): 80805160 - 95064900 (734592363.64% - 864226363.64%)
This is against a Lv. 1 Ledyba.
4912 Atk vs 1 Def & 1 HP (1920 Base Power): 40402580 - 47532450 (4040258000.00% - 4753245000.00%)
This is against a Lv. 1 Shedinja.
4912 Atk vs 1 Def & 11 HP (1440 Base Power): 121207756 - 142597368 (1101888690.9% - 1296339709%)
This one was calculated against a Ledyba using a program I wrote this weekend but I can't figure out why it's doing more damage than the first one. Even if I acidentally said that the Pokemon should have had Flash Fire activated, it's still doing more damage than 1.5x the first one. It says it has 1440 Base Power instead of 960 because Helping Hand modifies Base Power and that's how the program does it as well.
Also, Heatran should be using Eruption now that it can and Quiet still boosts SpAtk. It can also be used 11 times in a row a lot more easily than Overheat because it doesn't lower your SpAtk. You would still need to get its PP back up so I think you would have to Fling a Leppa Berry at it which would decrease Eruptions Power. You would then have to Fling a Sitrus Berry onto it to get it back up to full health.
After reading some of these post, I'm thinking about forming a awareness group for drunk posting.
I remember one of my friends recorded this shoddy battle where him and someone else tried to do massive damage to something. They had this groudon with +6 attack, adamant nature, and choice band use earthquake on something that was 4x weak to to ground(can't remember what it was) with -6 def, 0 def/hp iv/evs, -def nature, while using dig. But what was the really epic part was that it crit'd. I can remember the exact number but it was like 34343524534542522352353% (inaccurate percents are inaccurate)
I surprised it didn't crash shoddy xD
edit: crap he took it down. I'll see if he still has the video.
I remember one of my friends recorded this shoddy battle where him and someone else tried to do massive damage to something. They had this groudon with +6 attack, adamant nature, and choice band use earthquake on something that was 4x weak to to ground(can't remember what it was) with -6 def, 0 def/hp iv/evs, -def nature, while using dig. But what was the really epic part was that it crit'd. I can remember the exact number but it was like 34343524534542522352353% (inaccurate percents are inaccurate)
I surprised it didn't crash shoddy xD
edit: crap he took it down. I'll see if he still has the video.
I actually think that's a pretty hilarious idea. Something like 110 / 60 / 95 / 65 / 130 / 65 and learning Ice Beam? :P
As I mentioned before, the big problem with defensive dragon (slow defensive that is) is no matter how awesome the defensive stats are (talking about 600 BST or less), there's no way they could hold up against super effective STAB Draco Meteors and Outrages, which means every time you tried to wall with your dragon, you would be creating an invitation for one of OU's best sweepers to come in and spam it's most destructive attacks.
Latias is the one example of a defensive dragon in OU, but with 110 speed, latias is the fastest dragon in the tier. This means that other dragons cannot simply come in and spam their moves for fear of being out-sped and killed.
Even throwing scarf into the fray, Flygon/Kingdra lacks the power to be really intimidating-- they can't just come in and spam their dragon attacks. On the other hand Salamence and Dragonite have issues with choice items due to SR weak. In any case, scarf makes all of them easier to counter. Thus, Latias possessing the fastest dragon speed in OU really is a big deal for its success as a defensive dragon.
I said it was good, not perfect. The only reason it's not as effective is because Dragon types are so popular in OU, and will crush it all over the place. Which is why Steel/Dragon is so good :P Hopefully they'll make one in light of next generation which isn't Uber.
Latias is great, and has very well distributed stats. It's probably the only thing close to being a defencive Dragon, the only thing missing would be a favorable type to go with it. Psychic doesn't really do anything for it except give it a Fighting resistance, but is otherwise a burden as it adds two very common attacking types as weaknesses as well as not covering its other two common ones from being Dragon. Otherwise, though, it works wonderfully. The fact that it has such a wonderful move pool along with great Special Attack and Speed stats means it works on the offensive, moreso.
I hope to see some sort of defencive Dragon which has a great support move pool. It would be interesting, but probably not OU material.
Well, if the defensive dragn had 110 speed it probably could work. Even if it had base 60~ish offensive stats and carried 2 support move and 1 healing movie, it could just have Draco Meteor in the 4th slot and that'd probably be more than enough as a deterrent to other dragons looking to attack it.
If I were to design a pure-dragon type for OU, I'd want to make it really fast and frail, but just tough enough that it might be able to use its resistances effectively, for instance having 65 / 60 / 90 defenses and Roost. If I were going to make it tougher, than I would put it at exactly 100 base speed so that it could keep up with Salamence and Flygon but would be outpaced by Latias.
Realistically speaking though, GF isn't designing pokemon with the express purpose of functioning in Smogon's OU meta.
As for Latias, without the psychic type it'd probably be banned to Uber. Rather than what types, it's important that Psychic type makes latias pursuit weak as well as U-Turn weak, which gives it viable checks in TTar and Scizor, as well as letting Flygon add some anti-latias ability and making Infernape not completely helpless infront of it.
If it weren't for those weaknesses, my guess is Latias would be Uber, if not just because it would then make an almost flawless counter to bulky water types.
If I were to design a pure-dragon type for OU, I'd want to make it really fast and frail, but just tough enough that it might be able to use its resistances effectively, for instance having 65 / 60 / 90 defenses and Roost. If I were going to make it tougher, than I would put it at exactly 100 base speed so that it could keep up with Salamence and Flygon but would be outpaced by Latias.
Realistically speaking though, GF isn't designing pokemon with the express purpose of functioning in Smogon's OU meta.
As for Latias, without the psychic type it'd probably be banned to Uber. Rather than what types, it's important that Psychic type makes latias pursuit weak as well as U-Turn weak, which gives it viable checks in TTar and Scizor, as well as letting Flygon add some anti-latias ability and making Infernape not completely helpless infront of it.
If it weren't for those weaknesses, my guess is Latias would be Uber, if not just because it would then make an almost flawless counter to bulky water types.
Too bad non-flying types can't get Roost...Except Scizor and Mew, but they're exceptions. And unless that pokemon was very powerful offensively, I don't really see it getting that much use, as people would just want to run Latias over it. It'd be worth the Pursuit weakness. I'm surprised it's not in Uber already, but OU seems to work just fine with it there.
^Forgetting Flygon much? :P Lots of pokemon with wings learn Roost. Poor Garchomp got left out. lol
I left out but yeah, if it were to have really frail defenses, I'd stick on some beefy offensive stats and 110 speed.
I left out but yeah, if it were to have really frail defenses, I'd stick on some beefy offensive stats and 110 speed.
Pff, nothing's been released since the video footage. We've all been dying here for some more information.
And it seems I've been trumped on the whole Roost thing :P Guess you only need wings, I suppose.
It's like Salamence but dies easier!
Edit: Anyways, goodnight everyone. May the Game Freak gods grace us with more information soon.
Imagine all those Damage calcs, in the anime, it will be nothing compared to...
Weavile used Beat Up..
Arceus, Mewtwo, Giratina, Palkia, and Dialga surrouned the innoent Pikachu
But really, i want the gyms to have more themes, instead of monotype, it would have stuuf like..
Rain Teams
Sun Teams
Sandstorm Team
Hail Team
Gravity Team
Trick Room Team
Baton Pass team
Everything above team
How cool, eh?
Weavile used Beat Up..
Arceus, Mewtwo, Giratina, Palkia, and Dialga surrouned the innoent Pikachu
But really, i want the gyms to have more themes, instead of monotype, it would have stuuf like..
Rain Teams
Sun Teams
Sandstorm Team
Hail Team
Gravity Team
Trick Room Team
Baton Pass team
Everything above team
How cool, eh?
A rain/sun/sand/hail/gravity/trick room/baton pass team?
My mind, consider it sufficiently blown.
A water gym, a fire gym, a rock or ground gym, an ice gym, gravity sucks, and as for the other two find a way to incorporate them in a mono type gym.
While I think those are cool the types formula worked best and I don't want to see it changed, but I wouldn't mind if they incorporated the gimmicks into the gym leader's team.
Also fuck yes Double Battles, Tate and Liza were insanely awesome, we need moar.
Well they obviously aren't going to make a Steel- or Normal-type Eeveelution, for the simple reason that all of the current Eeveelutions are members of an elementally exclusive type. Grass Pokémon often only learn a few Grass moves and Swords Dance, Fire Pokémon often only learn Fire moves and perhaps a few Physical moves depending on the flavor and style of the Pokémon, Psychic Pokémon who aren't considered masters of mental manipulation i.e. Grumpig often have a very limited movepool involving support options, Psychic moves and Shadow Ball, etc. The point is, the types Eevee can evolve into now have movepools which often don't change and are never subtracted from where different species are concerned, just added to. If the Eeveelution is given an additional move that extends beyond their type, then it is a move that all the other Pokémon of that type learn. For example, Leafeon learns Swords Dance as does every single other Grass-type on the game. "Elemental movepool" is used as a basis for Eeveelutions.
However, there is no universal movepool for Normal-type Pokémon. They do not all learn Normal-type moves. There is not a Normal-type which can be used as a template for the other Normal-types, and thus there can never be an Eeveelution of that type unless they were to construct an ordinary movepool somehow. Return is a Normal-type move, and every Pokémon on the game learns it. False Swipes is a Normal-type move, and Pokémon that can execute swiping motions such as Sandslash and Weavile learn it. Normal-type moves are either entirely free of all elemental bias, or are based on a specific type of motion which is done without thoughts of malice, supreme benevolence, whilst elevated etc.
Similarly, there is no Steel-type movepool, not a bank of moves that an ordinary member of the Steel-type would be expected to learn. It's worth noting that the only mono-steel types are Registeel and Mawile, who both represent ends of the Pokémon spectrum which deviates from the norm. There are not many mono-grass types and no mono-flying types; however, Normal/Flying does have moves which occur in all specimens such as Steel Wing and Aerial Ace. Additionally, the Steel-type move, Iron Tail, is based on whether or not you have a tail, not whether or not you are Steel-type. Steel Wing is based on whether or not you have wings, not whether you are Steel-type. The only thing that Steel-types have in common is that they have an extremely varied movepool - and you cannot make an Eeveelution with a varied movepool as it ruins the sequence.
Thus, they have to make Eeveelutions which have moves they can just check off as a definite option for their type. Steel- and Normal- type do not fit this criteria.
However, there is no universal movepool for Normal-type Pokémon. They do not all learn Normal-type moves. There is not a Normal-type which can be used as a template for the other Normal-types, and thus there can never be an Eeveelution of that type unless they were to construct an ordinary movepool somehow. Return is a Normal-type move, and every Pokémon on the game learns it. False Swipes is a Normal-type move, and Pokémon that can execute swiping motions such as Sandslash and Weavile learn it. Normal-type moves are either entirely free of all elemental bias, or are based on a specific type of motion which is done without thoughts of malice, supreme benevolence, whilst elevated etc.
Similarly, there is no Steel-type movepool, not a bank of moves that an ordinary member of the Steel-type would be expected to learn. It's worth noting that the only mono-steel types are Registeel and Mawile, who both represent ends of the Pokémon spectrum which deviates from the norm. There are not many mono-grass types and no mono-flying types; however, Normal/Flying does have moves which occur in all specimens such as Steel Wing and Aerial Ace. Additionally, the Steel-type move, Iron Tail, is based on whether or not you have a tail, not whether or not you are Steel-type. Steel Wing is based on whether or not you have wings, not whether you are Steel-type. The only thing that Steel-types have in common is that they have an extremely varied movepool - and you cannot make an Eeveelution with a varied movepool as it ruins the sequence.
Thus, they have to make Eeveelutions which have moves they can just check off as a definite option for their type. Steel- and Normal- type do not fit this criteria.
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