There is a percentage.....10%
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There is a percentage.....10%
You guys do realize that a Pokemon can thaw on its own right? And that Ice Pokemon can't get Frozen. IIRC, you have a 25% chance to thaw every turn and an auto-Freeze move could be hard to deal with if it has over 60 Accuracy, but it wouldn't be any better than Breloom with Spore and would probably have just as little distribution.
Edit: I guess it's 10% then.
Edit: I guess it's 10% then.
I coulda swore I froze a Frosslass one time. But hey, I'm human, I could easily be mistaken.
Here's everything from Bulbapedia about Freeze.
So there's a 10% chance to thaw and Ice types can't be Frozen.
Edit: An Ice type can be Frozen with Tri-Attack, apparently, but Froslass is still immune to it.
Freeze
A frozen Jigglypuff
The freeze condition causes a Pokémon to be unable to make a move. Damaging Fire-type moves used on a frozen Pokémon will remove the freeze status. As of Generation II, freeze has a random, ~10% chance to be cured on its own on the frozen Pokémon's turn. Consequently, the frozen Pokémon may thaw out on the turn of freezing; however, in Generation I, a frozen Pokémon never thaws without external aid. Pokémon cannot be frozen in sunny weather; contrary to popular belief, sunny weather does not cause a quicker thawing.
Ice-type Pokémon cannot be frozen by Ice-type moves; however, they can be frozen by Tri Attack. A frozen Pokémon can still use the moves Flame Wheel, Sacred Fire and Flare Blitz while frozen; these moves will thaw the user, thaw the opponent if possible, and deal damage to the opponent. All moves which cause freezing are Ice-type except Tri Attack (Generation II onwards) and Secret Power (when used in snow or ice; Generation IV only). It is also the only non-volatile status which has no move that causes it 100% of the time. The only move to provide more than a 10% chance of freezing is Secret Power when used on snow or ice, which provides a 30% chance.
A frozen Sky Forme Shaymin will revert to its Land Forme.
A frozen Jigglypuff
The freeze condition causes a Pokémon to be unable to make a move. Damaging Fire-type moves used on a frozen Pokémon will remove the freeze status. As of Generation II, freeze has a random, ~10% chance to be cured on its own on the frozen Pokémon's turn. Consequently, the frozen Pokémon may thaw out on the turn of freezing; however, in Generation I, a frozen Pokémon never thaws without external aid. Pokémon cannot be frozen in sunny weather; contrary to popular belief, sunny weather does not cause a quicker thawing.
Ice-type Pokémon cannot be frozen by Ice-type moves; however, they can be frozen by Tri Attack. A frozen Pokémon can still use the moves Flame Wheel, Sacred Fire and Flare Blitz while frozen; these moves will thaw the user, thaw the opponent if possible, and deal damage to the opponent. All moves which cause freezing are Ice-type except Tri Attack (Generation II onwards) and Secret Power (when used in snow or ice; Generation IV only). It is also the only non-volatile status which has no move that causes it 100% of the time. The only move to provide more than a 10% chance of freezing is Secret Power when used on snow or ice, which provides a 30% chance.
A frozen Sky Forme Shaymin will revert to its Land Forme.
So there's a 10% chance to thaw and Ice types can't be Frozen.
Edit: An Ice type can be Frozen with Tri-Attack, apparently, but Froslass is still immune to it.
Here's everything from Bulbapedia about Freeze.
Freeze
A frozen Jigglypuff
The freeze condition causes a Pokémon to be unable to make a move. Damaging Fire-type moves used on a frozen Pokémon will remove the freeze status. As of Generation II, freeze has a random, ~10% chance to be cured on its own on the frozen Pokémon's turn. Consequently, the frozen Pokémon may thaw out on the turn of freezing; however, in Generation I, a frozen Pokémon never thaws without external aid. Pokémon cannot be frozen in sunny weather; contrary to popular belief, sunny weather does not cause a quicker thawing.
Ice-type Pokémon cannot be frozen by Ice-type moves; however, they can be frozen by Tri Attack. A frozen Pokémon can still use the moves Flame Wheel, Sacred Fire and Flare Blitz while frozen; these moves will thaw the user, thaw the opponent if possible, and deal damage to the opponent. All moves which cause freezing are Ice-type except Tri Attack (Generation II onwards) and Secret Power (when used in snow or ice; Generation IV only). It is also the only non-volatile status which has no move that causes it 100% of the time. The only move to provide more than a 10% chance of freezing is Secret Power when used on snow or ice, which provides a 30% chance.
A frozen Sky Forme Shaymin will revert to its Land Forme.
So there's a 10% chance to thaw and Ice types can't be Frozen.
It did say Tri Attack can freeze Ice types
Hmm, still, sleep can be absorbed by RestTalkers. Rest and Sleep Talk are extremely widespread, unlike Ice types(or whatever freeze absorbers possible). I guess it wouldn't be too broken if it wasn't 100% accuracy...
And about the thing about how any fire move used on the frozen Pokemon with thaw it...why would the opponent unfreeze your Pokemon? It could work in doubles, but that would be a waste of a move unless you were using Eruption or something :P
And about the thing about how any fire move used on the frozen Pokemon with thaw it...why would the opponent unfreeze your Pokemon? It could work in doubles, but that would be a waste of a move unless you were using Eruption or something :P
Then how will it do 25% to Reshiram? :nerd: Also, you forgot to mention that Zoroark dies instantly if he gets hit by crabs, since he is just about the hairiest SOB I have ever seen.
@Lucalibur: Yes, that is indeed the Kirin from Monster Hunter. I knew someone would get it!
@Revolution: That idea of a third Pokemon based on the tajitu is actually very interesting. I hadn't thought of that. Maybe it could be the "master" of Reshiram and Zekrom, in the same way that Rayquaza is able to partially control Kyogre and Groudon. Very cool.
@Prof. Elm: An auto-Freeze move would be extremely over-powered. I know it seems like Freeze is just another version of Sleep, but it's actually much more potent for several reasons. First, while sleeping Pokemon can use Sleep Talk, an extremely common move that most Pokemon learn through TM, the only moves a Pokemon can use when it's frozen are Flame Wheel, Sacred Fire, and Flare Blitz. The first is worthless, the second is exclusive to only one Pokemon, and the third is only narrowly distributed. Secondly, Freeze lasts longer. Sleep cannot be in effect for more than 5 turns, but a frozen Pokemon only has a 10% chance of being healed each turn, meaning it can remain statused indefinitely if you're really unlucky. The only other way you can get out of Freeze is if your opponent has a senior moment and targets you with a damaging Fire move, or if you use one of the three moves listed above. I really don't think an auto-Freeze move will ever see the light of day...but then again, you never know.
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@DDRMaster: I tend to agree, although I wish that wasn't the case, since I have almost no experience with Doubles. That said, doesn't it seem as if a lot of these new Pokemon and moves are meant for 2 on 2 battling? Munna's Telekinesis is one thing, but then we have Gear with the abilities Plus and Minus, which are completely useless outside of doubles. Shimama has Lightningrod as his ability, and to top it all off there's Hihidaruma, whose "Encourage" ability sounds suspiciously like Helping Hand. Darn it, GameFreak...stop making me try new things!
Gahhh. If he could just SHOW us something to prove the things he's said, like, I don't know, proof that his informant knows someone from Gamefreak, or SOMETHING. It's all nice he's been told all this stuff before, but it's hard to believe him when the whole Minotauros thing happened.
I think it's because those moves actually surround the user with Fire, unlike Fire Punch which only does the hands and all the special moves which shoot the fire away from the user. It's still silly, but it has some logic to it.
No there's only a couple fire moves that you can thaw YOURSELF out with. I always wondered why any fire move couldn't do a self thaw.
Make all Fire moves thaw you out, and I think it'd be fine. Honestly, you shouldn't be able to freeze a Fire-type anyway, but whatever. It would give people more reason to use a Fire-type, just like Sleep gives people a reason to use a Sleep Talker...
Lawrence: If you're hit by a fire move used by another Pokemon, then you're thawed out.
Mew has hundreds of better things to do and they can just switch out anyway.
If we nerf freezing somehow then there's a chance of an insta-freeze move. I think I know how:
If a frozen pokemon uses any fire-type move, it thaws and uses the move. If the weather changes to sunlight, all frozen pokemon would thaw. If you're frozen, you take less damage from all attacks...
If a frozen pokemon uses any fire-type move, it thaws and uses the move. If the weather changes to sunlight, all frozen pokemon would thaw. If you're frozen, you take less damage from all attacks...
But you can't thaw YOURSELF out by using a fire move except for Flame Wheel and Sacred Fire.
That part would actually be really cool-- the taking less damage while frozen thing. That and making all Fire-type moves by user thawing you out would be good. Sunlight unfreezing you makes sense, but we don't need to TOTALLY nerf Freeze...
So true, they should make it so that you get less damage while frozen
i mean, the poke IS INSIDE A FREAKING ICE THING
unless you got fire or amazing strength, you can't get either
this is what i mean
and flare blitz
If we want an insta-freeze move we should. And besides, TTar and other sand streamers make the sun non-existent in OU.
I'd love an ice answer to rest that only ice types can learn. Basically you freeze yourself and restore all your health, but there's a higher chance of you thawing every turn. It fails while the sun's out tho...
But while you're frozen, you take less damage from attacks, so bulky pokemon can just sit there and watch residual damage from toxic or whatever build up, and eventually thaw out with HP fire...
Insta-freeze could be plausible (after all, we do have Spore), but I don't see it getting very good distribution. It could give ice-types a nice boost to make up for their SR weakness.
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