Pokemon Black & White, aka Gen 5. Coming to Japan in Fall 2010.

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PI-Dimension said:
Smugleaf won't be grass/dragon.... dragon is portrayed as 'the ultimate type,' capable of beating 'the standard.' AKA it resists ALL OF THE STARTERS... including Pikachu. -____-
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Yeah thats one of the reason its less likely to be Tsutaja's second type. Its the most strongest type.
 
newb said:
Yeah thats one of the reason its less likely to be Tsutaja's second type. Its the most strongest type.
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"most strongest" is kinda redundant, but your point is well taken. I think Dragon was designed specifically to be the strongest type, in that no matter WHAT starter you picked, your main attacks would be resisted. Not to mention, every Dragon is a very rare and difficult to obtain late-game Pokemon (altaria is the only exception).

There's just no way any starter will be xxx/Dragon.
 
PKMN Trainer Manson said:
What is people's obsession with Psychic/Fighting/Dark, anyway? I honestly don't see why people consider it a "trio" like Grass/Fire/Water. It really doesn't have the same kind of synergy at all, I don't think anything does, which I'm willing to bet is WHY they use Grass/Fire/Water to demonstrate type weaknesses and resistances.

Also, I swear to god, Tsutarja better not become Grass/Flying. For the love everything holy, make it this except less abstract.
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Fire is good against Grass, Grass is good against Water, and Water is good against Fire. Likewise Fire resists Grass, Grass resists Water, and Water resists Fire. These are trios that are like that, and not imbalanced with an immunity like Psychic/Fighting/Dark:

Fire/Grass/Water (obviously)
Fire/Steel/Rock
Grass/Ground/Poison
Fighting/Rock/Flying

I personally like it when the starters have a large advantage over the one of the next type in the triangle. As such, I am really hoping we get the typings of Pokabu Fire/Rock, Tsutaja Grass/Flying, and Mujimaru Water/Fighting. All of the types make sense, and with these final typings both of any starter's STABs will hit the starter they are strong against for 2x damage.

EDIT: Didn't see the resist themselves thing. Anyways, I still like these typings and they make sense if indeed Pokabu becomes a fire boar, Tsutaja becomes a Quetzalcoatl, and Mujimaru becomes a samurai otter.
 
Shroomisaur said:
Actually, Ice is a wonderful attacking type, and paired with Fighting, it is nearly unresisted: only Water/Bug (oh no, Surskit will wall you), Water/Poison (Tentacruel, Qwilfish), and Water/Psychic(Slowbro/king, Starmie) resist both. Pretty good coverage, plus both Fighting and Ice have tons of potential to hit SE, unlike Water/Normal, for example.
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froslass too. dont forget that bitch.

a polar beam would be nice but we gotta make sure he can actually survive a close combat from infernape if we want him to be usable. if there is no thick fat then its not even worth using.

its already hard to get a polar beam that is not pure ice if only for the fact polar beams dont actually enjoy fighting just for the lolz different from stuff like hitmonlee who like to test they skills.
 
Nanoswine said:
Fire is good against Grass, Grass is good against Water, and Water is good against Fire. Likewise Fire resists Grass, Grass resists Water, and Water resists Fire. These are trios that are like that, and not imbalanced with an immunity like Psychic/Fighting/Dark.
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Blah blah blah, not all of those also resist themselves, etc. Already went through this.
 
Yeah I saw that after posting. Resisting themselves doesn't really matter IMO as you're rival isn't likely to pick a charmander after you do :/
 
Nanoswine said:
Yeah I saw that after posting. Resisting themselves doesn't really matter IMO as you're rival isn't likely to pick a charmander after you do :/
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But as I said, resisting themselves is almost surely one of the reasons they picked that particular trio of types. They resist themselves, resist one other type, and are weak against the last.
 
Nanoswine said:
Fire is good against Grass, Grass is good against Water, and Water is good against Fire. Likewise Fire resists Grass, Grass resists Water, and Water resists Fire. These are trios that are like that, and not imbalanced with an immunity like Psychic/Fighting/Dark:

Fire/Grass/Water (obviously)
Fire/Steel/Rock
Grass/Ground/Poison
Fighting/Rock/Flying

I personally like it when the starters have a large advantage over the one of the next type in the triangle. As such, I am really hoping we get the typings of Pokabu Fire/Rock, Tsutaja Grass/Flying, and Mujimaru Water/Fighting. All of the types make sense, and with these final typings both of any starter's STABs will hit the starter they are strong against for 2x damage.

EDIT: Didn't see the resist themselves thing. Anyways, I still like these typings and they make sense if indeed Pokabu becomes a fire boar, Tsutaja becomes a Quetzalcoatl, and Mujimaru becomes a samurai otter.
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Nooooooooooooooo, please keep your horrible Fire/Rock typing to Macargo, I don't Pokabu to have that
 
PKMN Trainer Manson said:
But as I said, resisting themselves is almost surely one of the reasons they picked that particular trio of types. They resist themselves, resist one other type, and are weak against the last.
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It probably is why they picked that trio of types for the original mono-typed (excluding Venusaur) starters, and nobody's argued against that. It just isn't that relevant when we're comparing the types' interactions with each other, to dismiss it because of their interaction with themselves.

Anyway, when B/W was first announced, I think I remember some promise like, "You might ask yourself, is this really Pokemon?", or something like that. I don't really feel we've been shown anything that radical yet; everything seems bigger and better, but comfortably familiar. Does anyone think there's still a surprise in store?
 
This has made me scratch my head......B/W can get Pokemon off of the Gen IV games.....But how? They can't use the dual slot feature b/c they are both DS games and the Nintendo DSi only has 1 slot.....

When B/W was first announced, I think I remember some promise like, "You might ask yourself, is this really Pokemon?", or something like that. I don't really feel we've been shown anything that radical yet; everything seems bigger and better, but comfortably familiar. Does anyone think there's still a surprise in store?
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Every generation, the people who create the Pokemon change. The original people who created the Gen 1 Pokemon stopped being in charge of that back in Gen 2. The peple in charge of Gen V are completely different people from the ones who made Gen IV, Gen III, and so on....why each Gen has crazier looking Pokemon and why it takes getting used to
 
Airfoil said:
This has made me scratch my head......B/W can get Pokemon off of the Gen IV games.....But how? They can't use the dual slot feature b/c they are both DS games and the Nintendo DSi only has 1 slot.....
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The did this with Gen 1 -> Gen 2 as well, so it's not unprecedented
 
lacerta said:
It's probably why they picked the trio for the original mono-typed (excluding Venusaur) starters, and nobody's argued against that. It just isn't that relevant when we're comparing the types' interactions with each other, to dismiss it because of their interaction with themselves.

When B/W was first announced, I think I remember some promise like, "You might ask yourself, is this really Pokemon?", or something like that. I don't really feel we've been shown anything that radical yet; everything seems bigger and better, but comfortably familiar. Does anyone think there's still a surprise in store?
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First paragraph went totally over my head. I don't have any idea what you're trying to get across... Last part sounds important but it sounds kinda muddled. Is there a typo there...?

I do actually feel like they're hiding something big, but honestly I am a little disappointed that we probably won't be getting any change to the battle system (unless you count Triple Battles...) like previous generations gave us. I think we would know about it, whatever it might be, by now.

Also, you get Pokemon from the IV gen games through an equivalent of GSC's Time Machine, the "Pokemon Transfer Machine", AKA "proof this game isn't in the past or future, jesus christ, stop speculating about it".
 
hey, if smugleaf was grass/dragon, then charizard would be dragon, and sceptile would be dragon. and on the otter, i think it will just be water mono. i truthfully dont see it being a samaurai, but if it is it can still be water mono. the pig dosent really matter, it probably will just be fire ground or whatever
 
Dragon is the strongest type, nuff said.

On the other hand, grass is the worst, (competitively speaking) is the one with major weakness and which type attack stab is the most resisted, actually barring some small exceptions whenever they mix types with grass they end up giving it weakness to types that primary should wall ex: venusaur, taken normal damage from earthquake >.>
considering this, grass/dragon would still take normal damage from fire for example and would maintain most of the weakness from grass.

And i mean come on, tsutarja has to avenge sceptile and evolve into a god damn Shen-Long DBZ Style...
 
black_cotton said:
Dragon is the strongest type, nuff said.

On the other hand, grass is the worst, (competitively speaking) is the one with major weakness and which type attack stab is the most resisted, actually barring some small exceptions whenever they mix types with grass they end up giving it weakness to types that primary should wall ex: venusaur, taken normal damage from earthquake >.>
considering this, grass/dragon would still take normal damage from fire for example and would maintain most of the weakness from grass.

And i mean come on, tsutarja has to avenge sceptile and evolve into a god damn Shen-Long DBZ Style...
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Lol no, Ice's the worst. At least Grass has resistances they can play around with to switch in (and also has immunity to Leech Seed, for what it's worth...). Ice has what? Four weaknesses, one of them to Stealth Rock (let's not discuss about this move anymore, please), and one resistance, to itself.

Grass and Poison look good in comparison to Ice.
 
black_cotton said:
Dragon is the strongest type, nuff said.

On the other hand, grass is the worst, (competitively speaking) is the one with major weakness and which type attack stab is the most resisted, actually barring some small exceptions whenever they mix types with grass they end up giving it weakness to types that primary should wall ex: venusaur, taken normal damage from earthquake >.>
considering this, grass/dragon would still take normal damage from fire for example and would maintain most of the weakness from grass.

And i mean come on, tsutarja has to avenge sceptile and evolve into a god damn Shen-Long DBZ Style...
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I strongly agree!!!!

Bulbapedia's characteristic of Dragon said its the strongest type (something like that). And yes Grass is like one of the worst type thats why it is often rely on second typing to be effective. Totally, Tsutaja should avenge what happened to Sceptile and be an Epic Grass/Dragon.. And same goes for Charizard, starter wise. Well now Reshiram has this combination. Dragon should compliment Grass's weakness I guess.
 
@ Mario With Laser: At least Ice is good offensively , grass don't and defensively speaking capabilities is not anything to write home about barring some useful resistances to water (which most carry an ICE move anyways) and ground and grass itself ...

@ PKMN Trainer Mansion: lol no tsutarja is already epic it last evolution could get some of the epicness of shen long :/.
 
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