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Dusknoir (Attacking Lead)

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-**Heatran: Nope. Will definitely need backup for this one. Fire Blast is a 2hko and Specs will always KO.
How does Life Orb do as specs isn't really as common as LO.
 
Curtains said:
This loses to smeargle.That alone is pretty damn bad.
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Actually its not pretty damn bad, smeargle itself is pretty damn bad and isnt even worth preparing for. The only reason this loses to smeargle is because he has a ghost immunity. Dont try to make it seem like it doesnt have decent priority. Also swampert loses to smeargle. Is he pretty damn bad? How about hippowdon or occa-gross? Dusknior prevents gengar from subbing up on you and can threaten starmie with super effective shadow sneaks, showing it has decent mid-game utulity. I heard someone say that this lead wont get any ko's against a decent player and while that is true, if they switch out dusknior just revealed 2 members of your opponents team, witch is a WIN in my opinion. This thing cant even be exploded on. There are very few leads this doesnt beat, and IMO its worthy of being put on site. Sure its not perfect, but nothing is.

@whoever said burning swampert is useless- Actually its not, it means he loses health instead of gaining health while roaring your ass around. Once burned many players just spam roar with swampert until he dies, because eq is NOT doing enough to everything it needs to (i would do calcs but the smogon damage calc wont open up for some reason and i have to go). Examples include the ever common wish cm rachi, scizor, ddtar, and im 95% sure it doesnt even 1hko heatran after rocks.
 
panamaxis said:
-**Heatran: Nope. Will definitely need backup for this one. Fire Blast is a 2hko and Specs will always KO.
How does Life Orb do as specs isn't really as common as LO.
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Specs is far more common as it actually deals with Machamp Leads.

252 SpA LO Heatran Fire Blast vs. 240 / 0 Def Neutral Machamp - 75.6% - 89%
252 SpA Choice Specs Heatran Fire Blast vs. 240 / 0 Def Neutral Machamp - 95.3% - 112.1%

I'm sure no one runs Overheat on the LO set.
 
Wynought said:
Specs is far more common as it actually deals with Machamp Leads.

252 SpA LO Heatran Fire Blast vs. 240 / 0 Def Neutral Machamp - 75.6% - 89%
252 SpA Choice Specs Heatran Fire Blast vs. 240 / 0 Def Neutral Machamp - 95.3% - 112.1%

I'm sure no one runs Overheat on the LO set.
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Incorrect, many people run Overheat + Modest + LO to OHKO Machamp leads, as the freedom of switching moves with LO is better than the slightly higher damage output from Specs.
 
Im aware that this lead loses to Heatran because of the risk of Specs or LO. But I also mentioned that Heatran makes an awesome partner to absorb fire attacks. Lrn2read

Here are some logs. I dont know if they're mind changing or anything, but here they are. Btw I used Pokelab and found a random match so please dont flame and say "the opponent sucked". Ps: I suck too, so keep that in mind :p

http://pastebin.com/78Q9LZGf
http://pastebin.com/ui0dKA0y
http://pastebin.com/gwMnUf7k
http://pastebin.com/5q6DMvWm
http://pastebin.com/2YD4GTe5
5 Consecutive battles^
In my opinion, Noir gets me off to a good start in the matches.
More on the way, if needed.
 
admittedly your opponents were bad. that said, it looks pretty solid. it hates losing lefties, but it does beat a decent # of leads. if you tested it on shoddy it'd hold a bit more weight, but it looks fairly decent. cool set.
 
While i do see the merits of this set, the cons outweigh the pros unfortunately. The set is able to deal with a respectable amount of Top 10 leads, however there are several issues with it. Foremost being, After the lead game, this set isn't very effective. While your logs did provide some instances of midgame use, the prospect overall isnt worth it because a lot of the time it is unable to do sufficient damage. The other issue i find ties in with the first one. When the opponent knows about the set, its effectiveness is severally neutered. Thats why attacking leads like machamp are so good, they are able to threaten most Pokemon that would switch into a matchup you are initially winning. Dusknoir however, is unable to threaten switchins in such a way so most leads can switch out into something that can safely take a hit. IMO, this isn't analysis worthy but i do support a OO mention.
 
Like my QC colleague, I find that this is gimmicky at best and not especially effective in general play. However, our opinions diverge slightly, as I'm going to have to also recommend against an OO mention and just reject it outright for the reasons I've mentioned earlier in the thread.

QC REJECTED (1/3)
 
I can see why your opposed to an OO mention so the rest of QC can decide on that. Sorry Moo it was a decent idea, just not up to Analysis Standards.

QC REJECTED (2/3)
 
Np guys. I tried. I get what you mean about it needing the surprise factor, and it'll probably be even less effective in Gen 5.
But imma get a good set up here, eventually...
PS: whats an OO mention?
 
Mooo said:
Np guys. I tried. I get what you mean about it needing the surprise factor, and it'll probably be even less effective in Gen 5.
But imma get a good set up here, eventually...
PS: whats an OO mention?
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OO mention mean "Other Options", as you can see in a usual Smogon analysis with a 2009-2010 update.

Nice effort, Mooo. I'm sure you'll have something to put up here eventually.
 
Looks like we all feel the same way about this. Sorry, don't hesitate to try again in the future. Locking.
 
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