Why the fuck doesn't this thing learn Ice Beam?
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Gamageroge
- Thread starter Swagodile
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Prior to this generation, every single water type could Ice Beam (note: anyone who mentions Magikarp will be infracted).
Kind of an odd thing to nitpick on, but Gamageroge learns Sludge Wave (TM 34), which does 5 more base power than Sludge Bomb.
Yes, but the 30% of poison from Sludge Bomb vs. the 10% chance from Sludge Wave makes Sludge Bomb arguably the better choice.
I consider regular poison to actually be worse than no status at all, since it gives opponents immunities to REALLY crippling status's, such as paralysis or burn. That being said, I don't think a 20% difference in a chance to inflict the weakest status ailment in the game is reason to forgo 5 extra base power.
I don't really like poison, but if this guy's gonna counter rain dance teams (which he seems to be the best at), he needs something to hit Ludicolo with.
True, but none of the punches are SE on Ludicolo. As much as I hate that Mexican, he has great typing. Sludge Wave should be able to OHKO him (haven't done any calcs yet), and it should also take out any other grass types that try and come in.
I'll admit that Cloud Nine is a great anti-weather ability, but nothing good learns it. Lickilicky has no resistances, and as for Altaria, I've never seen a Swift Swimmer who lacked an ice attack. I consider Gamageroge a counter to weather teams partially due to his ability (can't wait to laugh hysterically as I absorb Kingdra's Waterfall), but mostly his typing. Not to mention he gets STAB on both Water and Ground, which shuts down a lot of Sandstorm and Sunny Day teams.
LickiLicky has a excelent move set. and he is bulky enough that he doesn't really need resistance. and besides few rain dance teams have anything with fighting moves on it (except MAYBE poliwrath, but there are so many better options for water types I doubt it.). So IMHO I think lickilicky would make a much better weather counter then Gamageroge, but Gamageroge like I said will do well in marshtomp's role (except better if on a rain team)
Looking over Lickilicky's defenses again, I can kinda see how he'd be competition for the toad. All in all, though, I predict Gamageroge's usefulness depends entirely on whether or not Politoed/Ninetales gets banned, and how common weather is after this gen.
I was just thinking to myself, Gamageroge and Lickilicky could be an epic weather contering duo in UU.
Sun: Gamageroge has his STAB to destroy fire types, and Lickilicky has Fire Blast/Punch. Lickilicky also supports Gamageroge by giving SolarBeam it's charge back, allowing you to switch Gamageroge out before it dies.
Rain: Gamageroge has Water Absorb, and Lickilicky has Thunderbolt and can slow down Swift Swimmers.
Hail: Lickilicky has Fire Blast/Punch and it stops hail damage. Gamageroge could try to do some damage, or switch out to another pokemon.
Sandstorm: Gamageroge has STAB, and Lickilicky stops sandstorm damage (from himself) and removes the Sandstorm Special Defence buff, allowing Gamageroge to destory with Hydro Pump or Surf.
Don't just go lol inferior Swampert.
People who say stuff about his physical movepool; it doesn't really matter as the stats are the same. And there is Waterfall, but who would use it over Surf? And who would use Curse on someone that doesn't have Gyro Ball etc over Calm Mind, when their Special Movepool is better?
This guy can be better than swampert. It has to utilize its additional speed and ability to maximum effectiveness. First of all, its ability; Water Absorb allows it to switch in on Water moves, and heal it. A inferior Regeneration that works the opposite way. Swift Swim is only good on Rain Dance teams, unless Drizzle Toad comes out to be really common. The additional speed can be used to outspeed stuff like Breloom, Ludicolo and Kabutops in Rain if Gamegeroge has Swift Swim, Skarmory, Tyranitar, Vaporeon, Scizor, etc. That isn't too major, but is significant enough to make a difference.
Gamegeroge is still facing competition with Swampert. Swampert will probably come on top. But this is very bad news for Quagsire (NU buddy lets go)
People who say stuff about his physical movepool; it doesn't really matter as the stats are the same. And there is Waterfall, but who would use it over Surf? And who would use Curse on someone that doesn't have Gyro Ball etc over Calm Mind, when their Special Movepool is better?
This guy can be better than swampert. It has to utilize its additional speed and ability to maximum effectiveness. First of all, its ability; Water Absorb allows it to switch in on Water moves, and heal it. A inferior Regeneration that works the opposite way. Swift Swim is only good on Rain Dance teams, unless Drizzle Toad comes out to be really common. The additional speed can be used to outspeed stuff like Breloom, Ludicolo and Kabutops in Rain if Gamegeroge has Swift Swim, Skarmory, Tyranitar, Vaporeon, Scizor, etc. That isn't too major, but is significant enough to make a difference.
Gamegeroge is still facing competition with Swampert. Swampert will probably come on top. But this is very bad news for Quagsire (NU buddy lets go)
Swampert's Bulkier and hits harder, as well as having SR
Gastrodon has Recover, and Storm Drain
Quagsire has Recover, although it's defenses are actually [Slightly] worse. He also gets Encore.
Gama is the worst of the Water/Grounds, without a doubt. It can't provide support like Swampert, nor can it wall like the two NU Water/Grounds.
That said, being one of the few 5th Gen waters, at least he plays a role in-game...
May I remind you that CAP proved Lv 1 Groundon and Kyogre to be Uber in Gen 4, the abilities alone qualifyed under support, and the only 'nerf' to Sun and Rain this gen is the fact that Sand got new abusers, so will be more common, which is indirect. Politoad can provide support too, Encore, Hypnoysis...
Short version: There's a strong chance of Drizzletoad being Uber, unless extranal factors [Sand Stream, DroughtTails, Power Creep] make perma-rain no longer broken under support.
Gastrodon has Recover, and Storm Drain
Quagsire has Recover, although it's defenses are actually [Slightly] worse. He also gets Encore.
Gama is the worst of the Water/Grounds, without a doubt. It can't provide support like Swampert, nor can it wall like the two NU Water/Grounds.
That said, being one of the few 5th Gen waters, at least he plays a role in-game...
May I remind you that CAP proved Lv 1 Groundon and Kyogre to be Uber in Gen 4, the abilities alone qualifyed under support, and the only 'nerf' to Sun and Rain this gen is the fact that Sand got new abusers, so will be more common, which is indirect. Politoad can provide support too, Encore, Hypnoysis...
Short version: There's a strong chance of Drizzletoad being Uber, unless extranal factors [Sand Stream, DroughtTails, Power Creep] make perma-rain no longer broken under support.
No. Swampert is generally better, but that's the only one that I agree with.
Who said that Water/Grounds have to be defensive? Gamegeroge has a good enough offensive stat spread to be at least dealing damage. Swift Swim is also a big plus. Access to Encore and Recover doesn't do too much. Gastrodon has Recover, but that doesn't do too much, as mentioned before (if you are going to argue against this, explain first why Milotic isn't OU). Storm Drain does increase Special attack, but with those stats, it's not going to be sweeping. Water Absorb > Storm Drain.
That said, being one of the few 5th Gen waters, at least he plays a role in-game...
This is Gen 5. Not Gen 4. There are new stuff like pokemon with Cloud Nine as their Dream world ability. And lots of priority moves and stat boosting moves (see Mach Punch Breloom, Shell Break Cloyster).
He also has Unaware.
What about Whiscash? lol you totally forgot about him.
aren t people forgething something? first quagsire swampert and quagsire can get 4 gen tm/tutors this guy suporting movepoll doesnt have anything except toxic while quagsire gets yawn recover body slam ice punch(gen 4 tutor) encore and toxic too
swampert always ouclassed both gastrodon and quagsire due to his superior bulk and gets better stats i mean 100/90/90 ouclasses 105/75/75 anytime plus swampert has ice beam for dragons/grass/flying stealth rock(gen 4 tm) Roar (take advantage of SR as well phasing) a superior attacking stats 110/90 so this frog only has the abilities over him and that might not be enough
Game freak didnt gave him ice attacks dont know why also he doesnt get roar to phase the only thing it has over water/ground pokemons are water absorb and acess to grass knot really
one user said swift swim could be good on this frog why use this frog over all elite swift swimmers? like kingdra/kabutops/huntail/gorebyss/ludicolo/omastar/poliwrath/new fossil turtle get it aswell what does this frog do that they cant? since all of them hit harder
swampert always ouclassed both gastrodon and quagsire due to his superior bulk and gets better stats i mean 100/90/90 ouclasses 105/75/75 anytime plus swampert has ice beam for dragons/grass/flying stealth rock(gen 4 tm) Roar (take advantage of SR as well phasing) a superior attacking stats 110/90 so this frog only has the abilities over him and that might not be enough
Game freak didnt gave him ice attacks dont know why also he doesnt get roar to phase the only thing it has over water/ground pokemons are water absorb and acess to grass knot really
one user said swift swim could be good on this frog why use this frog over all elite swift swimmers? like kingdra/kabutops/huntail/gorebyss/ludicolo/omastar/poliwrath/new fossil turtle get it aswell what does this frog do that they cant? since all of them hit harder