Gyarados (Bait-dos)

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Elgoo

Before I get going, This is a skleton, and I am not capable of writing a full analysis, so I would like to "hire" someone to do that.

on to the set. Sevendeadlysins, please dont lock this just cause you dont like abstract ideas.

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Gyarados @ life orb
Trait: Intimidate
72 Atk / 252 SAtk / 184 Spd
Mild Nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Waterfall/Bounce
- Dragon Dance
- Fire Blast
- Blizzard/Thunder

Basic explanation:
Switch in on something and force a switch, Dragon dance on the switch, Dragon dance again if something that normally walls gyarados comes in. Then blast away with a special move of your choice. Fire blast ohkos physically bulky skarm after SR. Thunder would do the same. Missard is for pesky dragons. Waterfall or bounce is just there for stab, an appreciates the dragon dance(s). Waterfall is the prefered option.

Teammates:
-appreciates entry hazards a TON
-something needs to get rid of starmie, and fast.

Counters:
-scarfed stamie wrecks this set.
-bulky waters wall this set hard unless you run thunder.

AC:
The wow factor is always good xp.
 
Elgoo said:
Before I get going, This is a skleton, and I am not capable of writing a full analysis, so I would like to "hire" someone to do that.

on to the set. Sevendeadlysins, please dont lock this just cause you dont like abstract ideas.

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Gyarados @ life orb
Trait: Intimidate
72 Atk / 252 SAtk / 184 Spd
Mild Nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Waterfall/Bounce
- Dragon Dance
- Fire Blast
- Blizzard/Thunder

Basic explanation:
Switch in on something and force a switch, Dragon dance on the switch, Dragon dance again if something that normally walls gyarados comes in. Then blast away with a special move of your choice. Fire blast ohkos physically bulky skarm after SR. Thunder would do the same. Missard is for pesky dragons. Waterfall or bounce is just there for stab, an appreciates the dragon dance(s). Waterfall is the prefered option.

Teammates:
-appreciates entry hazards a TON
-something needs to get rid of starmie, and fast.

Counters:
-scarfed stamie wrecks this set.
-bulky waters wall this set hard unless you run thunder.

AC:
The wow factor is always good xp.
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No. Have you playtested this set? What does this defeat (other than Nattorei) that the standard BulkyDos set with Taunt doesn't? TauntDos has beaten Skarmory since Gen 3. This does nothing to beat Vaporeon, which you are relying on a %70 accurate move to defeat. It still loses to Starmie and Slowbro. Rotom-W doesn't care about these moves, and neither to the Lati twins, really. I don't see it being effective at all.
 
I don't really know where to begin on this one. For one, I think you've posted this in the wrong section. This is for Gen V, yet it seems like this "analysis" is focused directly on Gen IV. If I happen to be wrong on that point, Special Dragon Dance Latios would out-class this set with better STAB, higher Base SpA attack, and the ability to break walls with Psycho Shock if it chose to use that.

Special/Mixed Gyarados has been tried before (I think it gets a mention in OO for the current analysis on site) and has always been, at best, Other Options.

Third, Blizzard / Thunder aren't good in either Gen IV OR Gen V. Gen IV because Tyranitar and Hippowdon shit all over it, along with trolling accuracy. Gen V because Politoed, Ninetales, Hippowdon, Tyranitar, and Abomasnow shit on them, depending on which one you choose to use (Thunder gets destroyed by 4/5, Blizzard also 4/5).

I really don't see how this beats any of its counters. I'd much prefer a Bulky Dragon Dance + Taunt Gyarados over MixedGyara.
 
I have playtested it. The 70% accuracy is what sets this set back, but blizzard hits garchomp real hard. The lati twins dont like a blizzard to the face either. I'll play it some more tomorrow and get a few logs. I must sleep now.
 
Elgoo said:
I have playtested it. The 70% accuracy is what sets this set back, but blizzard hits garchomp real hard. The lati twins dont like a blizzard to the face either. I'll play it some more tomorrow and get a few logs. I must sleep now.
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If Lati@s becomes such a problem that you need BLIZZARD, of all things to hit it, why not just go all-out troll and use Ice Fang / Outrage? I mean, if we're going to go with gimmicks, we should at least be playing off of Gyarados' better stat.

Also, Outrage beats Garchomp too, at +1 it OHKOs.
 
This set wastes an entire Pokemon AND a setup opportunity for a 70% chance to maybe do 75%-ish damage to something.

This is not a very good set.
 
Tell me why would I use Blizzard to beat Dragons when I can use Ice Fang after I have DD'ed? I don't need to split EVs that way, can run Adamant if I wish (or Jolly to out speed more threats) and don't have a 70% accurite move comming of 60 base SpA!

Besides that, everyone else covered eg Taunt beats Skarm easier etc etc

Also the Ironic thing is that I believe (provided I calc'ed right) that Ice Fang actually out-damages Blizzard vs Latias even w/o a DD boost. (assuming Gyarados is your average offensive one running Adamant)
 
>only base 60 Special Attack
>Gyarados can just use Taunt or Rest to beat Skarm, not requiring it to waste EVs in its HORRIBLE Special Attack.
>what Forte.EXE said

Yeah...no.

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I'll admit, Gyarados has a wider and more powerful special move pool however its abysmal special attack won't get it far. It's good to surprise others and smash those who are lacking heavily in special defence but outside of that, it's an idiotic idea.

Gyarados has everything it needs to be one of the most dangerous Pokemon in the game: Overconfidence, Dragon Dance, Earthquake, Waterfall, Stone Edge, high attack, a good speed and solid defences to back it up. If this is a bad combination in any way, please explain to me why!
 
wow, even if you were even going for an extremely gimmicky special set at least go with Choice Specs. As what Parachomp said, Gyarados is good as he is, being a dragon dancing destroyer to most teams.
 
The only special attack Gyarados could viably use in my opinion is Fire Blast, only to 2hko the extremely common Ferrothorn. Any other special attack is completely outclassed by a physical attack off of its 125 base attack.
 
ParaChomp said:
I'll admit, Gyarados has a wider and more powerful special move pool however its abysmal special attack won't get it far. It is good to surprise others and smash those who are lacking heavily in special defence but outside of that, it's an idiotic idea.

Gyarados has everything it needs to be one of the most Pokemon in the game: Overconfidence, Dragon Dance, Earthquake, Waterfall, Stone Edge, high attack, a good speed and solid defences to back it up. If this is a bad combination in any way, please explain to me why!
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You forgot Intimidate, which aids set-up, and it's great typing along with decent offensive choices (Waterfall/Earthquake/Stone Edge was all it needed last Gen really).

But yeah, I stand by my earlier posts.
 
ParaChomp said:
Gyarados has everything it needs to be one of the most Pokemon in the game:
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Yes, it's more Pokemon than everything else! And with 5th gen, it's 20% more pokemon!

But all kidding aside, does Gyarados need a bait set? There are a lot of other bait pokemon like BaitTar that aren't weak to SR, and can run a better mixed set.
 
Forte.EXE said:
You forgot Intimidate, which aids set-up, and it's great typing along with decent offensive choices (Waterfall/Earthquake/Stone Edge was all it needed last Gen really).

But yeah, I stand by my earlier posts.
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That's true. Gyarados preforms amazingly at defence too. It even has Taunt.
DetroitLolcat said:
Yes, it's more Pokemon than everything else! And with 5th gen, it's 20% more pokemon!

But all kidding aside, does Gyarados need a bait set? There are a lot of other bait pokemon like BaitTar that aren't weak to SR, and can run a better mixed set.
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Why don't I reed over my posts before I post them?
Elgoo said:
I have playtested it. The 70% accuracy is what sets this set back, but blizzard hits garchomp real hard. The lati twins dont like a blizzard to the face either. I'll play it some more tomorrow and get a few logs. I must sleep now.
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Garchomp I can understand but Latias and Latios? This doesn't sound right.
 
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