[Standard] NOC Desktop Dungeons Mafia GAME OVER

Fangren said:
(uggh, voting idiosyncracies...)

I fail to see why this isn't the best course of action. We have absolutely no solid information to go on as far as a lynch is concerned, not even the relative numbers of village power roles versus scum. For all we know we have just as big a chance at lynching one of the mafia as we do of offing the inspector/bg/whatever we have at our disposal.
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The village is never going to have solid information unless an inspector steps up, which is not someone who we want to reveval anytime soon. If we lynch someone, we get to see the voting patterns of everyone, and see their reactions to being put on the chopping block. If we no lynch, we give the mafia a free night, and if they hit a power role we'll be way behind.

Ditto said:
I just bandwagoned. If anyone has a reason to lynch someone, I gladly will
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In an NOC game, bandwagonning without any reason at all is a strong mafia indicator; there's absolutely no reason to lynch J-Man right now.

And billymills is doing the same thing he did in Peace NOC, just lynching people to make them talk.

And UncleSam sucks.
 
Spiffy said:
The village is never going to have solid information unless an inspector steps up, which is not someone who we want to reveval anytime soon. If we lynch someone, we get to see the voting patterns of everyone, and see their reactions to being put on the chopping block. If we no lynch, we give the mafia a free night, and if they hit a power role we'll be way behind.
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If we lynch anyone but mafia, then we're essentially giving them a free kill regardless, and if we hit a power role ourselves we'll be way behind as you said, just earlier.

Since, according to the rules, day won't end until we reach majority, we'll have plenty of time to gather behavioral information and voting patterns regardless of what the actual outcome of the lynch, as I don't particularly expect enough people to listen to me and go with a no lynch right off the bat.

For the record, I'm not really advocating that we wait until we have solid information on who to lynch (as in inspect results), I was just attempting to point out that we have no basis to lynch anyone at the moment. I respect the necessity of taking risks, but would prefer to delay doing so until we have at least a day's worth of info to judge people on, as well as the chance of the inspect having figured out a proper target.
 
UncleSam said:
Unvote

Vote: Galladiator

For the reasons I explained, no lynching is retarded.

I'll put this vote back onto Fangren when you explain why you just gleaned over my last post.
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This is exactly what I was talking about. Randomly lynching people because they don't hold with the general opinion (read: UncleSam's opinion) is a terrible idea. The odds are against us (the village) if we just randlynch, mainly because of the reasons Fangren just talked about a couple posts up. Assuming (for argument's sake) there are ten villagers, two mafias of four apiece, and two wolves, we have a 50% chance of lynching a villager, 40% of lynching mafia, and 10% of lynching a wolf. I don't like those odds.

(And again, those numbers are for argument's sake ONLY. I don't know crap about anyone else except that UncleSam is a dick.)

And for the record, I don't see why Sam was so quick to jump on me and Fangren in the first place. I'm as village as it gets; I don't even have a night action.

Sam, can you explain why you're suddenly accusative? If you can't give me a good reason, I'll just assume you're mafia and change my vote accordingly. Still no lynch for now, pending Sam's response.
 
Upon further review of this thread,
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Looking at the Lockdown Mafias' numbers, I think we can assume for now that there are 5 mafia and 15 villagers, with the possibility of 4 mafia, 15 villagers, and 1 wolf, although these numbers are very in favor of the mafia.

Fangren, if we no lynch today, we will be in the same position on Day 2; absolutely no information. If we call people out, and maybe start a small wagon on them, we can see who jumps to their defense, or how they react.
 
Galladiator said:
This is exactly what I was talking about. Randomly lynching people because they don't hold with the general opinion (read: UncleSam's opinion) is a terrible idea. The odds are against us (the village) if we just randlynch, mainly because of the reasons Fangren just talked about a couple posts up. Assuming (for argument's sake) there are ten villagers, two mafias of four apiece, and two wolves, we have a 50% chance of lynching a villager, 40% of lynching mafia, and 10% of lynching a wolf. I don't like those odds.

(And again, those numbers are for argument's sake ONLY. I don't know crap about anyone else except that UncleSam is a dick.)

And for the record, I don't see why Sam was so quick to jump on me and Fangren in the first place. I'm as village as it gets; I don't even have a night action.

Sam, can you explain why you're suddenly accusative? If you can't give me a good reason, I'll just assume you're mafia and change my vote accordingly. Still no lynch for now, pending Sam's response.
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OK are you seriously retarded. We have like no power roles based on the OP and the fact the host probably doesn't know that NOC villages need better roles than usual, we are never going to get a significant amount of "known" information and I doubt we will ever get more than maybe one or two "assured" lynches.

I'm voting for you because you are trying to push the village to vote for it's worst option. No lynching gives us a lower chance of hitting a mafia than lynching someone does by definition, and with limited opportunities (we don't even know if we have a vigilante or not) to kill mafia, we need to take advantage of every one we get.

That's why I jumped on Fangren first and now you. You don't provide any decent reasoning behind your votes and attempt to push the village in a detrimental direction. And why the FUCK would you not like a 50% chance to hit a mafia or a wolf? I assure you the odds of hitting a mafia are much lower (that or the village has no shot at victory), I would gladly take a 25% chance to randomly hit a mafia than not ever taking the opportunity and just allowing the mafia to pick us off at night, a cycle during which we have absolutely no opportunities to kill our enemies.

Also in case you didn't notice I am trying to stir the pot with conversation. The more connections and accusations we make the more we can see who defends each other and who dislikes each other, giving us a higher chance at figuring out who is mafia based on posting patterns.

I am also going to call out anyone who does not post by the end of today and I propose we lynch one of them unless they all post. If not let's lynch anyone who voted for no lynch.

Speaking of which...

Unvote
Vote: polelover44

For all the reasons above except that you are experienced enough to know that no lynches are retarded in this situation where Galladiator might not know that, being relatively inexperienced. Also you posted jack shit, which helps no one but the mafia.

Defend it or get lynched.

By the way Fangren, we will NEVER have any basis upon which to lynch anyone in this game in all liklihood (like maybe the inspect will hand us one free lynch of a mafia if we are lucky), so seriously just man up and start making accusations so we can see who may or may not be on your mafia team. Because if you continue to insist on village apathy I will assume you are mafia.

Also Fatecrashers/Ditto I would love a better explanation of jumping on the first available bandwagon with no explanation. Even saying something like "he is J-Man so he is useless even if a villager" would be less suspicious then just voting like you did.

I think people should lynch polelover though. If he wants to make posts like that he is going to be no help to us even if he is village, which I doubt considering he is not fostering conversation or attempting to find mafia and lynch them, the only two things villagers should be concerned with at the moment.

Yes I am aware this post is largely stream of consciousness this is NOC so I figure people learning as much as they can about what I think about others will give the village more information to work with about relationships between others. I think EVERYONE should be forced to give their opinions on EVERYONE ELSE at some point, it would really help the village to do so once everyone has posted.
 
Hmm... I honestly am going to say that from my experience from Peace NOCed down Mafia, a No Lynch is not the best way to roll. And just so everyone can see who's voting who at this point:

J-man=3
Billymills=1
Polelover44=2
Brammi=1
No Lynch=3

Honestly, I'm going stay back for now and see how things roll. I don't want to troll anybody at this point and I don't want to throw names around until we get some meat to chew on.
 
I still have a vote for Fatecrashers, Acklow.

Ditto has at least attempted to varify his vote, but Fatecrashers is still silent. Galladiator don't take UncleSam's post personally, he's always like that.

Lynching those that don't talk is a much worse idea than lynching those that bandwagon. In Peace NOC, I remember strategizing so that Alch and Veed lied low while the rest of us tried to contribute as much as possible, so the amount people post doesn't define them as mafia or clean.

But I will keep a list of those that haven't posted anything relevant:

Da Letter El
Yeti
masterful
Groshi
Brammi
Isaac 2.0
 
Unvote
Really my only defense is not reading anything that came earlier (can I call it laziness?), after thinking about the game for a couple seconds - not such a good idea. That's really all I can say, take it or leave it.

To all others who are voting to no lynch: We're not in danger of lynching a power role, so the risk involved is very limited, and if we get a good mafia role now, before they get their kill, we get a pretty big advantage heading into the action.
 
UncleSam said:
A bunch of tl;dr that I'd rather not quote word for word
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With all due respect, I think you're only doing this because you think I'm stupid enough to blindly follow what you say because I'm new to mafia. I need some proof that you're really village before I do what you say. If we have an inspector, I'm not along you to reveal yourself; I'd just like you to inspect Sam tonight, since I think it's a bit suspicious that Day 1 Sam jumps up and says "join me or get lynched". If it comes back that Sam really is village, I won't ask any more questions. But until then, my vote stands as is.

And no, I'm not retarded. I just know what's best for me.

And I'm not a wolf, either, before we go down THAT path.
 
In response to above: Well, this is an NOC game...
Unless an inspector is going to come out D2 and explicitly reveal himself, then I doubt we'll be able to confirm that ANYbody is really village. Peace NOCed down Mafia proved that (though I was co-inspector, and my buddy didn't play too smart)...

My point is your little suspicions, Galladiator, aren't going to be confirmed unless he is killed or someone else can confirm he's village, and that isn't going to happen until D2. This means we need to make the best of D1 with what we currently have for information.
 
Galladiator said:
With all due respect, I think you're only doing this because you think I'm stupid enough to blindly follow what you say because I'm new to mafia. I need some proof that you're really village before I do what you say. If we have an inspector, I'm not along you to reveal yourself; I'd just like you to inspect Sam tonight, since I think it's a bit suspicious that Day 1 Sam jumps up and says "join me or get lynched". If it comes back that Sam really is village, I won't ask any more questions. But until then, my vote stands as is.

And no, I'm not retarded. I just know what's best for me.

And I'm not a wolf, either, before we go down THAT path.
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Lurk moar, he does that often, and it's probably because he has no record if you before this to prove you know what you're doing. Although tbh he's mostly right, I can understand someone not wanting to take that risk, but there's almost no reason not to.

And that's not what he's saying at all. He's trying to give his opinions, which if anything we need more of.

I would only believe Pole's innocence at this point because he's regurarly inactive and usually posts like this. 2/3 of the recent games he's joined (Besides this) he was subbed out (RotS/Fallout). The third is still ongoing. No qualms however if he is, I just feel there's less helpful people right now.

However, I will be going for the weekend soon, so I'm not going to try and pressure Groshi into talking. However...

Unovte.
Vote: Galladiator.

Sorry if this seems unfair, but if your first game is a standard, you have to be ready for that.

But the main reason I'm voting is because there's something about the word not that really gets annoying and is often true. I'm not hiding anything behind my back. I'm not doing anything this weekend. I find it odd that you mentioned wolf before anyone else did; while it is almost always in a game like this, how do you know that to be true? Not to mention no one's even called you mafia, save possibly how you interpret US' post.

I find you a bit quick to deny things. I apologize in advance if it's inexperience, but frankly your post there is making me think you might be wolf. And it's a gamble I'm willing to take if you are roled, as is almost everyone else outside of Fangren.

And it does not remind me of good NOC times...
 
Galladiator said:
With all due respect, I think you're only doing this because you think I'm stupid enough to blindly follow what you say because I'm new to mafia. I need some proof that you're really village before I do what you say. If we have an inspector, I'm not along you to reveal yourself; I'd just like you to inspect Sam tonight, since I think it's a bit suspicious that Day 1 Sam jumps up and says "join me or get lynched". If it comes back that Sam really is village, I won't ask any more questions. But until then, my vote stands as is.

And no, I'm not retarded. I just know what's best for me.

And I'm not a wolf, either, before we go down THAT path.
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Why don't you just stamp a big "HI I'M WOLF LYNCH ME" sign on your forehead. "I'm not wolf either"...really? I would like to point out one thing: we don't even know that there is a wolf. And for a novice to mafia to immediately bring up the possibility of wolf (most new players don't even know what a wolf is) just seems really odd.

The whole damn point is that in NOC we can never be sure of anything. At some point we are going to have to lynch. Not lynching here simply gives away one of our few opportunities to kill a mafia. The inspector(s?) are unlikely to come out in the first few days and could well get killed before they even reveal anything. In other words, we will need to lynch based on just as little evidence as is before us right now during later cycles, which makes wasting this one not trying to kill mafia a huge loss.

Not to mention that you jump to conclusions that people suspect you and start acting really desperate for no reason whatsoever.

This is exactly why I am doing what I am doing: to see who responds in a reasonable manner (pole) and who responds in a panicky manner (you). We need as much suspicion and accusation as possible so we can see who defends themselves and who simply gives themselves away.

And in my opinion you just gave yourself away.

Unvote.
Vote: Galladiator.

That being said, before anyone says "US and Quagsires are posting basically the same thing back to back", I just want to say that I realize that...I just think Quagsires is mostly right. Either he is playing very intelligently and is a mafia or is behaving exactly how I would expect an experienced villager to act: throwing suspicions around, getting a rise out of people, and pouncing when people begin to sweat for no real reason.

Oh and Galladiator if you feel like explaining why you keep trying to sabotage the only chance the village has to win this (lynching and being active/talkative and not idling like idiots waiting for mafia to fuck us), feel free to explain now. I for one am listening with open ears.
 
I don't have much of an opinion here, but I wholeheartedly agree with not no-lynching someone. The day ends when majority hits, so we really don't even have to worry about stealth lynching or deadlines without making up our minds, so no-lynch votes seem really pointless. Can't offer much else at the moment, just wanted to put my $0.02 cents out there.
 
Oh and one last thing: Officially calling out user: Da Letter El for being an experienced mafia player yet only posting one troll lynch vote on a non-player and nothing else. I suggest you post more.

Groshi, masterful, Isaac 2.0, HSA, and particularly YETI need to post as well.
 
UncleSam said:
Oh and Galladiator if you feel like explaining why you keep trying to sabotage the only chance the village has to win this (lynching and being active/talkative and not idling like idiots waiting for mafia to fuck us), feel free to explain now. I for one am listening with open ears.
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Wait, what?

You're reading into this too much. You do remember this is my first time playing a mafia game. I really don't see why you're making such a big deal about this. I didn't "give myself away"; I don't even have anything to give away. When I said that I'm not a wolf, I meant "If there is a wolf, I'm not it". As far as sabotage goes, I'm only trying to gather information before I blindly follow somebody whose allegiance I have no clue of as yet. Successfully lead a lynch on a mafia/wolf (if applicable), and we'll talk.

In other words: chill out, bro.

Oh, and for those wondering how I even knew what a wolf is, I decided awhile back to
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in the Mafia forum. This is just my first time playing.
 
I've been working out the probability and have considered the chances we actually hit a power role are slim.

Going off what Spiffy said, 5 mafia or 4 mafia 1 wolf, we definetly shouldn't be going no lynch Day 1. Since there aren't many power roles(I'll assume 5), there is a 75% chance we do something that doesn't nescesarily harm the village. There's a 25% chance we do something beneficial or bad, and a 50% chance we get rid of someone with no role.

Anyways, I'll go ahead and Vote Galladiator because of his last post is just screaming mafia. Although I'm willing to unvote if he can respond to what US and Quagsires said
 
Oh wait I didn't refresh in a while.

Honestly saying this is yoyr first time playing isn't much of a deffence. FYI it's my first game too
 
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