[Standard] NOC Desktop Dungeons Mafia GAME OVER

Posting in agreement with the first half of Yeti's post. I'd have said something of the like but I'm a little tired right now.

That said, I don't really mind Unclesam's doing for the time being. I certainly would like to be able to hear him defend himself tomorrow, if he comes up as a possible target.

If there is a silencer in this game, please idle as there's nothing really you can do to help the village.
 
polelover44 said:
Well what do you want me to say? "Oh here's my role PM"? Against the rules.
We voted Galladiator because he was "most likely to be mafia," and then he was village. There's in fact been nothing whatsoever showing that I'm 'the most likely to be mafia' (contrary to popular belief, UncleSam's vote does NOT count as proof); US voted me because I was doing something that a lot of other people (eight others, in fact) had been doing as well. Doesn't that make those eight, by US's logic, equally likely to be mafia?

Apparently not, because I'm the one you all bandwagoned on.

vote: masterful

You've done nothing but latch onto UncleSam and do whatever he tells you all game:


He says, bandwagoning onto the DetroitLolcat vote.


Remind me what was happening here?

Oh yeah, UncleSam had just locked his vote onto Galladiator.



What's that? He was really just bandwagoning on UncleSam's vote AGAIN?


Basically, this has been masterful's gameplay:

UncleSam: "I wanna vote <user> cause I think <user> is maf for reasons a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z"
masterful: "Yeah what UncleSam said"

UncleSam: "K now I'm changing my vote to <user>"
masterful: "Yeah what UncleSam said"

later, when the <user> US voted out turns up as village,

UncleSam "OK let's vote <user>"
masterful: "OK even though US's lynch last night went wrong I still don't think he's maf, so yeah what UncleSam said"


I know it's hypocritical of me to call out masterful for bandwagoning when, and I'll be the first to admit it, I bandwagoned quite a bit myself, but that's what masterful's been doing all game - bandwagoning while speaking out against bandwagoners.
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I will admit I bandwagoned heavily on lolcat and Gallad, yet I had legitimate reasons for doing so. On Lolcat I felt like I needed to at least contribute to putting pressure on people, and I was also preoccupied with the AP Tests I was involved with so my time available to spend on mafia was greatly diminished. I bandwagoned because US made legitimate points to which no valid refutations had been offered against at that point, and he clearly had spent enough time on this game to be more knowledgable about who was a good target than myself. On Gallad I knew there was no chance he was getting out of that, he was defending himself very poorly, and I really just wanted the first day over, especially when he would be lynched regardless of my vote. I love how you referenced no part of my argument against you, simply assuming that since UncleSam shared my stance made me a bandwagoner. There is a difference. I'm going on who makes the best argument as to why they should not be lynched or why others should be lynched over them. Produce one of these arguments or I have no choice but to vote you
 
Well, at this point, what do you want me to do? I already suggested lynching Fangren, because only a maf would get defensive the moment his name is called out. As I said already, I think pole is innocent, but none of you seem to be willing to lynch Fangren.

My vote for polelover is simple. If he's wrong, we will not follow US anymore. You also seem to be just turning all my arguments against me and making me look scummy, while disregarding most of the valid points I bring up.

I'm asking you, why am I the only one focused on if both billy and masterful also jumped on the polelover BW? Either you all call us out on it, or you don't, but it's bullshit to call out a single person.

You also disregard my explanations of my previous votes, while all you see is all the negative stuff against me.

Don't you think, if I was mafia, the worst move I could do at this point is jump on the early BW and call attention to myself? It'd be stupid to do so considering this is how Gall's lynch started as well.

I do think polelover is innocent right now, but since none of you seem to be willing to lynch Fangren (who is my #1 fos for scum), I have no choice but to vote for him (polelover). (If he is innocent, this DISCREDITS US, and saves us all the trouble of following him.)

Right now aside from Fangren, my other foses are on you and Spiffy for refusing to listen to reason. If I'm being illogical, please point it out so I can explain myself instead of simply saying I'm just avoiding getting lynched blah blah blah. (Of course everyone tries to avoid getting lynched, esp when the pressure is on you. :|)

If I seem to be repeating what I have said in previous posts, please take note of everything I have said. I have explained all my actions clearly, yet you don't even take note of them.
 
I am fully convinced now that pole is town.

Voting for Fangren because of the reasons I explained. Lurkers are not the players you want late game because they are more likely to not pay attention to this thread, thus making wrong decisions in late game (if he's town) AND active lurking is a really scummy move (if he IS scum).

Tell me, isn't it suspicious that Fang has basically been non-existant in this game, but the moment Spiffy brings his name up, he responds saying real life, work, etc?
 
Isaac 2.0 said:
(As I said, I only voted Galladiator when majority was already reached, I posted at how he was probably vanilla townie, but had no choice in the matter by that time.)
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Can someone explain how this isn't bandwagoning? And maybe its just me, but waiting until majority hits seems like a nice convenient cover for when the lynch went bad. And how can you possibly have no choice in the matter?

I'll wait for something more conclusive before I vote, but just saying...
 
If you recheck the votes, there were already 10 votes by the time I changed to Gall. In fact, I even forgot to Unvote for detroit, thus, my vote was not counted. I just changed to hurry on the day so that we can get to the night phase of the game.

When the majority already votes for one person, what else can you do? I was among the first who said some people here may be overanalyzing things (Read; US at Gall's behavior), yet, by the time I voted for Gall as well, he was already a dead man walking.

Again, I hate how everyone seems to only be bringing up the faulty parts of my posts, but still does not respond to any of my logical arguments. :|
 
ok nvm. Daletterel you're off the hook.

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Vote: Isaac 2.0

You will need a good argument to change this vote now. If you don't understand why I'm voting you, go read yeti's post. If you still don't understand, I'll make a superlong post tomorrow.
 
I have been giving countless arguments as to why I should not be lynched. They've all fallen on deaf ears, or, more likely, the mafia.

I've just been asking why I've been the only one called out in BWing against pole, when you and masterful did the same. I bring up an alternative lynch option in Fangren, yet, no one seems to notice or comment on it, especially when I explained why. I explained why I was voting for pole (apparently no one can see Fangren as another lynch option), yet you guys say I'm scum for voting for him. I've explained everything I've done, posted suggestions on what to do, yet you ignore these and are still adamant on lynching me. What else can I bring up, when every time I try to bring something up, all of you simply ignore it or only point out the scummy things instead of taking note of them and voting likewise. It's stupid to use the argument he's looking for another lynch option because he's turning desperate, because, any person, whether town or maf will try as hard as possible to defend themselves and avoid getting lynched.

I've already explained myself countless times, yet none of you seem to be listening. Tell me what else makes you want to vote for me, and I will defend myself. The problem here is, even after I've defended myself on the various things people have called out on, you still don't listen to them. :|
 
I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't right here. I believe polelover is inno, but when I change my vote to another fos, you call me out on it. If I don't you call me scum for voting for someone who I think is inno.

I already explained the risks of letting a lurker into the end game. If he's village, maf will not target him, as lurkers are less likely to pay attention to what's going on in the game and have a higher chance of lynching the wrong people. If he's mafia, he gave himself away by instantly posting the moment his name got brought up with an easy to use alibi. (Anyone here can claim they have work/school, etc.)

The only situation in which Fangren is not a viable lynch option is if he happens to be blue who just happened to see Spiffy's post against him at the same time. Odds are likelier that the previous paragraph is what he is right now. I've already brought this up, but no one responded to it.
 
Um Yeti the whole point of my "tl;drs" is so that we see who bandwagons and who posts.

Or maybe you didn't understand that?

There will always be a few people who believe someone is innocent. You certainly weren't one of them yesterday. And calling for me to be silenced only hurts the village in any possible scenario.

Or maybe you don't understand how to play this game?

In any case, I think Yeti is just being useless and posting random/inane bullshit like usual. That being said, I have to agree with her/others that masterful and Isaac jumped on that pole bandwagon with hardly any explanation (well, masterful provided SOME explanation at least). I still feel pole is suspicious, but I guess I achieved my purpose of getting him to post something substantial and I can't see anything too damning in what he said, so I will lay off him for now.

Oh and I guess I will have to say this again: When I post a vote it is because I have a hunch about someone and want to see how they respond. It is not necessarily because I believe they are mafia, only that I think they could be mafia.

As for Fangren, he seems in the same boat as DLE in that he is relatively experienced but hasn't posted anything interesting at all. That being said, he isn't necessarily mafia because of that.

Now then, I agree with others that either Isaac or masterful is a good target for today. However, I find Isaac scummier because he seems to be employing a strategy of "if I just bandwagon on US's votes and the person I bandwagon is village then I can just blame US and it will all smooth over". See...
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My vote for polelover is simple. If he's wrong, we will not follow US anymore. You also seem to be just turning all my arguments against me and making me look scummy, while disregarding most of the valid points I bring up.
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Now, let's assume for a second that both myself and polelover are townies. Wouldn't it make sense for a mafia to follow a vote from one townie on another in an attempt to get him lynched and blame the other townie for it?

Also I would point out that just when it appeared Quagsires changed his vote and saved Galladiator (or at least suspended judgment on him) last day, Isaac was there to fill in the gap and ensure he was lynched (though his vote ultimately didn't matter).

Masterful has been bandwagoning just as Isaac has, yes, and I dislike that he has essentially been agreeing with me all game long.

Isaac explain your end of day vote last day just when Quagsires removed his vote AND explain why you are trying to shift all the blame for said vote onto me/why you are already trying to shift the blame for a "potential mislynch on pole" onto me. Everyone has to answer for their own vote in NOC mafia, this isn't like a regular mafia where everyone follows the village leader and blames him if he is wrong. I am not a village leader, I am just a villager attempting to notice suspicious trends and pointing them out when I see them.

For all of these reasons, and pending either Isaac's response (though I doubt he can come up with a good explanation for his behavior) or people suddenly shifting to thinking masterful is the better lynch (I would follow a masterful lynch as well, in other words)...

Unvote
Vote: Isaac 2.0
 
Isaac 2.0 said:
As I said, if US is wrong again, that officially discredits him and we can ignore/lynch him asap. The way you're defending yourself now makes me think you're a blue fighting for his life (same as how Gall responded to US), but unless people are willing to lynch Fangren (or any of the people on the list I posted), I will have to stick my vote.

Fangren just rose really high on the suspect list from that single post; Active lurking really is scummy imo.
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Just pointing out this post as exhibiting all of the reasons I posted above. Basically, he tries to shift potential blame onto me while admitting he didn't think pole is mafia yet voting for him anyway for no apparent reason.

Basically, if he is mafia and knows pole is village this makes perfect sense: he tries to blame me while posting something he can point back to and say "see I was right about him but you MADE me do it..."

Which simply isn't true.
 
This is my first mafia forum game btw, just to point it out. (Next time, I'll join Normal Mafia as NOC looks tougher.) I fear my time to explain myself is gone, but I will try my best to do so.

I voted for Gall at the end of day 1 to move things along. I already posted saying how my read on him was blue, and how some people were taking things out of context and overanalyzing, but I simply wanted the game to move faster. I counted the votes against Gall, and counted 9, so I figured, with this inevitable BW, might as well end the day now and get cop reps/vigi kills/info based on who the N1 kill was.

Apparently, my vote did not matter as I forgot to Unvote against Detroit.

I voted for pole because I assumed you were still leading us at that point. If you were wrong, then we would finally be able to scumhunt by D3 seeing as your record is 0/2. I already put up an alternative lynch option in the form of Fangren, but no one seemed to pay attention to it.

I've been mentioning it earlier as well, don't you think, if I was maf, I would be really careful in throwing my votes around and wait a bit more instead of hopping on a BW that quick? (seeing this is what [kinda] lead to Gall's lynch Day 1)

I unvoted pole, because after seeing his responses, I was convinced then he had to be blue. By that point, many people were already fosing me for my previous actions. I still find it unfair how I'm the only one taking the heat when 2 other people did likewise, and two of us have been explaining why we voted that way anyway. (billy didn't, I assume this is because he is experienced/a mod)

Anyway, I have explained everything I've done so far, I only hope it's not too late to convince any of you to rethink this vote.
 
As for shifting the blame, I'm honestly just sheeping at this point because I'm hesitant to be the one to lead/put pressure on other people. I was thinking of sitting back in this game, listening to the arguments people give, and voting accordingly. I'm not shifting the blame on you. It was just that, at that point the only lynch options were me or pole. By the time I suggested Fangren, it was already too late.

(I am admitting to just sheeping right now because based on experience alone, I don't think it would be wise of me to lead a lynch against anyone person. If I end up being wrong, it'll only put more pressure on me.)

I'd also like to bring this up. If I didn't BW that quickly against polelover, where would that leave the town at? You'd either be lynching Masterful (who also looks to be a sheeping blue) or following US. I have not seen any other person bring up any other possible lynch options with basis to back it up. (Other than Billy who has been constantly changing his vote)
 
no one's bringing up other possible lynches cos all eyes are on you, and you can't possibly know what might have happened had your actions been different

stop mentioning irrelevant stuff like 'my vote for galladiator didn't count', the intent was there, and voting for someone when you believe strongly that he might be villager just isn't good villager practice, regardless of what the majority is

basically you're still unwilling to take responsibility for your votes, there's zero obligation for anyone to follow the majority or what unclesam says, yet you were still quick to 'follow the leader' even after yesterday's mislynch

your posts are still full of name-dropping, with a plea for people to look at anyone else except you, i guess that's why your vote on fangren was ignored, because we see it as a convenient diversionary tactic

that's it from the top of my head, feel free to keep talking in circles
 
Yep, had a feeling the damage was done by that point. Anyway, gl scumhunting, I will remember to join a normal mafia game next time. Good job lynching your Doc though. I admit, my fault for jumping on the BW quickly, but, as you've all said, the posts are there and I've tried my best to defend myself. I will take note of not BWing next game I'm in.
 
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Vote: Isaac 2.0

Damn no editing. Lynch one of the people who voted for Gall and voted for me on today's lynch as well. You should have at least one maf who voted for both innos.
 
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Unvote.

So Isaac is claiming Bodyguard?

Isaac what is the role name of your role.

I think, given he just claimed Bodyguard, lynching him is a bad choice at this point. Although, to be quite honest any mafia could claim Bodyguard with relative impunity, so I don't think we should just let this stand as is without verifying first.

Besides, if he is the bodyguard he will die next night anyway at this point...

Still, no reason to push him over majority right now.
 
hey unclesam you raving idiot maybe you should remove your skull from its cozy location up your rectum and go read my thought on the lynch ???
i said i didn't feel gall was mafia but he had done a poor job of proving it to the bandwagoners and if you all simply demanded he be lynched i'd consider voting to end the neverending days but i wound up not.....

guess who was right (BAN ME PLEASE)

again, if you hadn't been so pigheaded and obnoxious posting tl;drs about him maybe the mislynch wouldn't have happened?? you can toss out a suspicion then kindly shut up so the grown ups can find scum without you rampaging on.

see what happens when you let someone else point out a target instead of another 5 pages of you vs someone?

or are you too busy insisting every game you've won has been through your own sweat and blood?? LOL

i am not convinced isaac is the bg. that is a very likely role to save him from the lynch and i have several suspicions for who actually is.

too much effort to bold on my phone so i will unvote when i am home if i feel it is the best course of action.
 
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