Froslass

[Overview]

<p>Froslass is known for being the only Ghost-type that can also set up Spikes. Her incredible Speed ensures that Froslass will set up multiple layers and helps her make great use of moves such as Taunt. Froslass also has access to the psuedo-recovery move Pain Split and a great asset in STAB Ice Beam. This allows her to double as a revenge killer for Pokemon such as Celebi, Flygon, and Zapdos. With hail support, Froslass is able to abuse her ability, Snow Cloak, which grants a chance to evade the opponent's attacks. This gives Froslass many free opportunities to set up Spikes or fire off Blizzards. However, Froslass has some shortcomings, such as being frail and weak offensively. Without massive defensive investment, Froslass can barely take a neutral hit from any hard hitting Pokemon. With this defensive investment, Froslass loses the ability to pack a punch with offensive moves. She is also quite vulnerable to Pursuit.</p>

[SET]
name: Utility
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Taunt
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Pain Split
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid
ability: Snow Cloak
evs: 248 HP / 84 Def / 176 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With great Speed and
her Ghost typing, Froslass makes a great Pokemon to set up Spikes. In addition to Spikes, Froslass can be incredibly useful with her fast Taunt, which prevents set up from Pokemon such as Deoxys-D and Mew, and stops Hitmontop from nailing Froslass with Foresight. Pain Split is the closest thing to reliable recovery Froslass can get without using Rest. It works well since there are a lot of Pokemon with high HP stats such as Snorlax or Chansey. Ice Beam is used in the last slot for two main reasons. One reason is that it allows Froslass to switch into Donphan's Earthquake, heal with Pain Split, and then Ice Beam for the kill. This is essential because Donphan is one of the metagame's most prominent Rapid Spin users. The second reason is that it allows Froslass to make an effective revenge killer for many sweepers including Flygon, Zapdos, and Celebi.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EVs seem rather complicated but they accomplish really simple and important tasks. First and foremost, Froslass needs to outpace all Pokemon that are around 100 base Speed such as Flygon, Celebi, and Mew. The rest of the EVs are split into HP and Defense so that Froslass and take a few hits. An alternative set can be used with 252 Speed EVs and Destiny Bond to outpace Cobalion and Mismagius. This set can either be used with 252 HP and Leftovers, or 252 SpA and Focus Sash. You may want to consider using Shadow Ball on the set with SpA EVs to hit Pokemon such as Mismagius on the switch.</p>

<p>Froslass has a hard time dealing with Pursuit users, so it is important to have a plan to eliminate them before trying to set up Spikes. The alternative is to sacrifice Froslass to get three layers of Spikes (one on the switch, one as they Pursuit, and another before Froslass is KOed). This works as long as you have a Pokemon who can take advantage of Pursuit users, like Heracross or Cobalion. It's also important to keep the pressure on the opponent so they do not have time to Rapid Spin. In addition to Pursuit users functioning well against Froslass, they are also important to carry with her. This is because of the presence of Magic Bounce Pokemon, all of which are physically frail and are Psychic-type.</p>

<p>Froslass should be used with Pokemon who greatly benefit from Spikes. These Pokemon include wallbreakers such as Choice Band Heracross and phazers such as Suicune. It is also important to have a functioning core around Froslass, such as carrying Suicune and Donphan to cover Rock- and Fire-type attacks.</p>

[SET]
name: Hail
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Spikes / Confuse Ray
move 3: Blizzard
move 4: Thunder Wave
item: Leftovers
ability: Snow Cloak
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With hail support, Froslass can become one of the most infuriating Pokemon in the metagame. Snow Cloak mixed with the paralysis chance from Thunder Wave means Froslass will almost always get free turns to set up Spikes and fire off powerful Blizzards. The strategy is to force out a Pokemon and Substitute on the switch. After that, Thunder Wave should be used followed by the continued use of Substitute until the opponent is fully paralyzed or misses, leaving the Substitute intact. This gives Froslass a chance to Blizzard or Spikes, depending on whether the opposing Pokemon can stall out Blizzard or not. Confuse Ray can be used over Spikes if there is already a dedicated Pokemon for Spikes on the team. This adds to the frustration of not being able to attack Froslass. Disable can be useful in that slot as well, though many Pokemon in the tier can simply break the Substitutes even with not very effective attacks. Thunderbolt is also an option to hit annoying bulky Water-types, but many of them can still avoid being KOed or even set up on it.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>This set requires Abomasnow's ability to work properly, as it brings permanent hail to the match. As for defensive teammates, it is a good idea to bring a Pokemon that can stop set up sweepers, as this Froslass set has a lot of trouble with faster sweepers with Substitute such as Raikou. Nidoqueen comes to mind as a good ally since she can take Rock-type attacks in addition to putting a stop to Pokemon such as Substitute Raikou.</p>

[OTHER OPTIONS]

<p>Choice Specs and Life Orb do not work well without hail since Froslass does not hit hard enough to break through any defensive Pokemon. With hail support they may work better, but the above hail set outclasses them completely. A bulky Choice Scarf set can work well since Trick disrupts many defensive-oriented teams and also Hitmontop. The issue is now that Froslass would not have access to one of its moves, likely Taunt.</p>


[CHECKS AND COUNTERS]

<p>Pursuit users, especially those who resist Ice Beam, such as Escavalier and Houndoom, make sure that Froslass does not stick around long after setting up Spikes. Hitmontop can hit Froslass with Foresight on the switch and Rapid Spin her Spikes away, but this is not a reliable tactic as it requires prediction. Xatu also works well since Magic Bounce stops Spikes from being set up. Pokemon such as Raikou that can set up before Froslass can Taunt, also cause trouble for her.</p>
 

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I think Destiny Bond deserves a slash on the Spiker set. It's really cool combined with Taunt which kinda forces enemies to attack you, providing they're slower. Forsight Hitmontop can also OHKO with Close Combat iirc and Technitop has Bullet Punch.

The utility set does really well against stall if played correctly, so mention that it pairs well with Pokemon that struggle against it. (can't think of any off the top of my head)
 
I would mention an alternate ev spread of 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe for the utility to outspeed things and get faster layers of Spikes
 

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I would mention an alternate ev spread of 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe for the utility to outspeed things and get faster layers of Spikes
The only significant things you'll outspeed are Mismagius and Cobalion, both of whom can one-shot you anyway, although I guess it could work if you wanted to beat them to the Taunt so they can't set up on you.
 
I would mention an alternate ev spread of 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe for the utility to outspeed things and get faster layers of Spikes

I'll mention the old gen 4 set in Other Options I guess. The long and the short of it is that you can't stay in on either of those two unless you want to Destiny Bond....which you have no room for on the bulky set.
 

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[Overview]

<p>Froslass is known for being the only Ghost-type that can also set up Spikes. Not only does Froslass have the ability to set up Spikes but she also has Her incredible Speed to ensures that Froslass will set up multiple layers. With her impressive Speed she also makes great use of moves such as Taunt. Froslass also has access to the psuedo-(hyphen)recovery move Pain Split. Another great asset Froslass brings to the table is her fast STAB Ice Beam. This allows her to double as a revenge killer for Pokemon such as Celebi, Flygon, and Staraptor. With hail support, Froslass is able to abuse her ability, Snow Cloak, which grants a chance to evade the opponent's attacks. This gives Froslass many free opportunities to set up Spikes or fire off Blizzards. However, Froslass also has some shortcomings, as well, such as being frail and weak offensively. Without massive defensive investment, Froslass can barely take a neutral hit from any hard hitting Pokemon. With this defensive investment, Froslass loses the ability to pack a punch with offensive moves. It is also quite vulnerable to Pursuit.</p>

[SET]
name: Utility
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Taunt
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Pain Split
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid
ability: Snow Cloak
EVs: 232 HP / 100 Def / 176 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With great Speed and its Ghost-typing, Froslass makes a great Pokemon to set up Spikes. In addition to Spikes, Froslass can be incredibly useful with her fast Taunt,(comma) which prevents set up from Pokemon such as Deoxys-D and Mew, . It also and stops Hitmontop from nailing Froslass with Foresight. Pain Split is the closest thing to reliable recovery Froslass can get without using Rest. It works well since there are a lot of Pokemon with high HP stats such as Snorlax or Chansey. Ice Beam is used in the last slot for two main reasons. One reason is that it allows Froslass to switch into Donphan's Earthquake, Pain Split, and Ice Beam for the kill. This is essential because Donphan is one of the metagame's most prominent Rapid Spin users. The second reason is that it allows Froslass to make an effective revenge killer for many sweepers including Flygon, Staraptor, and Celebi.</p>

<p>The EVs seem rather complicated but they accomplish really simple and important tasks. First and foremost, Froslass needs to outpace all Pokemon that are around 100 base Speed such as Flygon, Celebi, and Mew. The rest of the EVs are split into HP and Defense such that she can survive an Adamant Choice Scarf Brave Bird from Staraptor.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>An alternative set can be used with 252 Speed EVs and Destiny Bond to outpace Cobalion and Mismagius. This set can either be used with 252 HP and Leftovers, or 252 SpA and Focus Sash. You may want to consider using Shadow Ball on the set with SpA EVs to hit Pokemon such as Espeon on the switch.</p>

<p>Froslass has a hard time dealing with Pursuit users, so it is important to have a plan to eliminate them before trying to set up Spikes. The alternative is to sacrifice Froslass to get three layers of Spikes (one on the switch, one as they Pursuit, and another before Froslass is KOed). This works as long as you have a Pokemon who can take advantage of Pursuit users, like Heracross or Cobalion. It's also important to keep the pressure on the opponent so they do not have time to Rapid Spin. In addition to Pursuit users functioning well against Froslass, they are also important to carry with her. This is because of the presence of Magic Bounce Pokemon;,(comma, no semicolon) all of which are physically frail and are Psychic-type. </p>

<p>Froslass should be used with Pokemon who greatly benefit from Spikes. These Pokemon include wall breakers such as Choice Band Heracross and phazers such as Suicune. It is also important to have a functioning core around Froslass, for example, such as carrying Suicune and Donphan to cover Rock and Fire-type attacks.</p>

[SET]
name: Hail
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Spikes / Confuse Ray
move 3: Blizzard
move 4: Thunder Wave
item: Leftovers
ability: Snow Cloak
nature: Timid
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With hail support, Froslass can become one of the most infuriating Pokemon in the metagame. Snow Cloak mixed with the paralysis chance from Thunder Wave means Froslass will absolutely almost always get free turns to set up Spikes and fire off powerful Blizzards. The strategy is to force out a Pokemon and Substitute on the switch. After that,(comma) Thunder Wave should be used followed by the continued use of Substitute until the opponent is fully paralyzed or misses, leaving the Substitute intact. This gives Froslass a chance to Blizzard or Spikes depending on whether the opposing Pokemon can stall out Blizzard or not.</p>

<p>
Confuse Ray can be used over Spikes if there is already a dedicated Pokemon for Spikes on the team. Confuse Ray This adds to the frustration of not being able to attack Froslass.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>This set requires Abomasnow's ability to work properly, as it brings permanent hail to the match.</p>

<p>As for defensive teammates, it is a good idea to bring something that can stop set up sweepers,(comma) as this Froslass set has a lot of trouble with faster sweepers with Substitute such as Raikou. Nidoqueen comes to mind as a good allies ally since she can take Rock-type attacks in addition to putting a stop to Pokemon such as Substitute Raikou.</p>

[OTHER OPTIONS]

<p>Choice Specs and Life Orb do not work well without hail since Froslass does not hit hard enough to break through any defensive Pokemon. With hail support they may work better, but the above hail set outclasses them completely. A bulky Choice Scarf set can work well since Trick disrupts many defensive-oriented teams and also Hitmontop. The issue is now that Froslass would not have access to one of its moves, likely Taunt.</p>



[CHECKS AND COUNTERS]

<p>Pursuit users make sure Froslass does not stick around after setting up Spikes. Pursuit users that resist Ice Beam and Shadow Ball such as Escavalier and Houndoom work especially well. Pursuit users, especially those who resist Ice Beam and Shadow Ball such as Escavalier and Houndoom, make sure that Froslass does not stick around long after setting up Spikes. Hitmontop can hit Froslass with Foresight on the switch and Rapid Spin her Spikes away, but this is not a reliable tactic as it requires prediction. Magic Bounce Pokemon also work well since they stop Spikes from being set up. Espeon in particular works because of its Speed and ability to beat Froslass in a one-on-one encounter.,(comma) where as Xatu cannot as it is weak to Ice Beam and is slower. Pokemon such as Raikou that can set up before Froslass can Taunt,(comma) also causeing trouble for her.</p>

Pretty nice analysis, not too many problems here besides repetitive sentences that I either combined or reworded.
 

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I know it's approved and whatnot but slashing Confuse Ray alongside Spikes on the Hail set seems pretty pointless... With Blizzard only having 8 PP I'd definitely want to take advantage of any free turns by using Spikes, rather than sitting there as their bulky water misses you, hits itself in confusion from time to time and is fully paralyzed.
 

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instead of confuse ray, maybe slash disable (as far as i know froslass cannot get both disable and spikes from breeding) that make it work kind of like sub disable gengar, except worse due to parlysis and missing
 
I know it's approved and whatnot but slashing Confuse Ray alongside Spikes on the Hail set seems pretty pointless... With Blizzard only having 8 PP I'd definitely want to take advantage of any free turns by using Spikes, rather than sitting there as their bulky water misses you, hits itself in confusion from time to time and is fully paralyzed.
the analysis said:
Confuse Ray can be used over Spikes if there is already a dedicated Pokemon for Spikes on the team.
 
I've seen a set on a hail team that is somewhat like sub disable gengar and it is very annoying when you have only one move to hit froslass and it's disabled or the moves misses and gets disabled anyway.
i never tried this but i fought against it and it was super annoying and put incredible pressure on my team. i don't know the EVs but the set was:
-Blizzard
-Thunderbolt
-Substitute
-Disable
ability: snow cloak
@leftovers

it worked greatly in hail
i hope i helped
 
yea that's in set comments. It's not as annoying as the hail set in my opinion because lots of Pokemon have at least two moves that hit Froslass and the Substitute will break even versus a nve attack.
 

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[Overview]

<p>Froslass is known for being the only Ghost-type that can also set up Spikes. Her incredible Speed ensures that Froslass will set up multiple layers. With her impressive Speed she also makes great use of moves such as Taunt. and helps her make great use of moves such as Taunt. Froslass also has access to the psuedo-recovery move Pain Split. Another great asset Froslass brings to the table is her fast STAB Ice Beam. and a great asset in STAB Ice Beam. This allows her to double as a revenge killer for Pokemon such as Celebi, Flygon, and Staraptor. With hail support, Froslass is able to abuse her ability, Snow Cloak, which grants a chance to evade the opponent's attacks. This gives Froslass many free opportunities to set up Spikes or fire off Blizzards. However, Froslass has some shortcomings, such as being frail and weak offensively. Without massive defensive investment, Froslass can barely take a neutral hit from any hard hitting Pokemon. With this defensive investment, Froslass loses the ability to pack a punch with offensive moves. She is also quite vulnerable to Pursuit.</p>

[SET]
name: Utility
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Taunt
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Pain Split
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid
ability: Snow Cloak
EVs evs: 232 HP / 100 Def / 176 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With great Speed and its Ghost-typing her Ghost typing, Froslass makes a great Pokemon to set up Spikes. In addition to Spikes, Froslass can be incredibly useful with her fast Taunt, which prevents set up from Pokemon such as Deoxys-D and Mew, and stops Hitmontop from nailing Froslass with Foresight. Pain Split is the closest thing to reliable recovery Froslass can get without using Rest. It works well since there are a lot of Pokemon with high HP stats such as Snorlax or Chansey. Ice Beam is used in the last slot for two main reasons. One reason is that it allows Froslass to switch into Donphan's Earthquake, heal with Pain Split, and then Ice Beam for the kill. This is essential because Donphan is one of the metagame's most prominent Rapid Spin users. The second reason is that it allows Froslass to make an effective revenge killer for many sweepers including Flygon, Staraptor, and Celebi.</p>

<p>The EVs seem rather complicated but they accomplish really simple and important tasks. First and foremost, Froslass needs to outpace all Pokemon that are around 100 base Speed such as Flygon, Celebi, and Mew. The rest of the EVs are split into HP and Defense such that she can survive an Adamant Choice Scarf Brave Bird from Staraptor.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>An alternative set can be used with 252 Speed EVs and Destiny Bond to outpace Cobalion and Mismagius. This set can either be used with 252 HP and Leftovers, or 252 SpA and Focus Sash. You may want to consider using Shadow Ball on the set with SpA EVs to hit Pokemon such as Espeon on the switch.</p>

<p>Froslass has a hard time dealing with Pursuit users, so it is important to have a plan to eliminate them before trying to set up Spikes. The alternative is to sacrifice Froslass to get three layers of Spikes (one on the switch, one as they Pursuit, and another before Froslass is KOed). This works as long as you have a Pokemon who can take advantage of Pursuit users, like Heracross or Cobalion. It's also important to keep the pressure on the opponent so they do not have time to Rapid Spin. In addition to Pursuit users functioning well against Froslass, they are also important to carry with her. This is because of the presence of Magic Bounce Pokemon, all of which are physically frail and are Psychic-type.(backspace)</p>

<p>Froslass should be used with Pokemon who greatly benefit from Spikes. These Pokemon include wall breakers wallbreakers such as Choice Band Heracross and phazers such as Suicune. It is also important to have a functioning core around Froslass, such as carrying Suicune and Donphan to cover Rock Rock- and Fire-type attacks.</p>

[SET]
name: Hail
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Spikes / Confuse Ray
move 3: Blizzard
move 4: Thunder Wave
item: Leftovers
ability: Snow Cloak
nature: Timid
EV evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With hail support, Froslass can become one of the most infuriating Pokemon in the metagame. Snow Cloak mixed with the paralysis chance from Thunder Wave means Froslass will (space) almost always get free turns to set up Spikes and fire off powerful Blizzards. The strategy is to force out a Pokemon and Substitute on the switch. After that, Thunder Wave should be used followed by the continued use of Substitute until the opponent is fully paralyzed or misses, leaving the Substitute intact. This gives Froslass a chance to Blizzard or Spikes, (comma) depending on whether the opposing Pokemon can stall out Blizzard or not. Confuse Ray can be used over Spikes if there is already a dedicated Pokemon for Spikes on the team. This adds to the frustration of not being able to attack Froslass. Disable can be useful in that slot as well, though many Pokemon in the tier can simply break the Substitutes even with not very effective attacks. Thunderbolt is also an option to hit annoying bulky waters Water-types, but many of them can still avoid being KOed or even set up on it.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>This set requires Abomasnow's ability to work properly, as it brings permanent hail to the match. (space) As for defensive teammates, it is a good idea to bring something that can stop set up sweepers, as this Froslass set has a lot of trouble with faster sweepers with Substitute such as Raikou. Nidoqueen comes to mind as a good ally since she can take Rock-type attacks in addition to putting a stop to Pokemon such as Substitute Raikou.</p>

[OTHER OPTIONS]

<p>Choice Specs and Life Orb do not work well without hail since Froslass does not hit hard enough to break through any defensive Pokemon. With hail support they may work better, but the above hail set outclasses them completely. A bulky Choice Scarf set can work well since Trick disrupts many defensive-oriented teams and also Hitmontop. The issue is now that Froslass would not have access to one of its moves, likely Taunt.</p>


[CHECKS AND COUNTERS]

<p>Pursuit users, especially those who resist Ice Beam and Shadow Ball, (comma) such as Escavalier and Houndoom, make sure that Froslass does not stick around long after setting up Spikes. (space) Hitmontop can hit Froslass with Foresight on the switch and Rapid Spin her Spikes away, but this is not a reliable tactic as it requires prediction. Magic Bounce Pokemon also work well since they stop Spikes from being set up. Espeon in particular works because of its Speed and ability to beat Froslass in a one-on-one encounter, where as whereas Xatu cannot as it is weak to Ice Beam and is slower. Pokemon such as Raikou that can set up before Froslass can Taunt, also causing cause trouble for her.</p>


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heysup, when you mention shadow ball for hitting xatu on the switch on the utility set, it seems kind of pointless, since ice beam is super effective too, and is obviously stronger
 
<p>Pursuit users, especially those who resist Ice Beam and Shadow Ball, such as Escavalier and Houndoom, make sure that Froslass does not stick around long after setting up Spikes. Hitmontop can hit Froslass with Foresight on the switch and Rapid Spin her Spikes away, but this is not a reliable tactic as it requires prediction. Magic Bounce Pokemon also work well since they stop Spikes from being set up. Pokemon such as Raikou that can set up before Froslass can Taunt, also cause trouble for her.</p>
If I'm not mistaken there's only one Magic Bounce Pokemon in UU, which is Xatu, who's weak to Ice. So might want to remove this line, or make a mention of it (certainly having Xatu means Froslass cannot Spike at will).
 

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