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Chandelure

Bombkirby said:
Just curious but what did you mean by that? The wording confuzzled me.
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Oops, "are" should be "and".

Chandelure can kill Gliscor with Fire Blast after even a tiny bit of damage(I think just SR does the trick), Skarmory stands no chance, Slowbro dies to Shadow Ball, most bulky waters can't take two energy balls or are left severely weakened, Hitmontop can only Sucker Punch(15% chance to kill Chandy after SR; Max attack Hitmontop), and others can't handle Chandelure.

Azumarill OHKO's them both though(Band Aqua Jet deals 99%-110% so there's a tiny chance :P), but most bulky waters can take on Azumarill.


EDIT: I actually really like using FF Chandy so if it's banned, I'll miss the poor thing :L

This is only for Excadrill too. Just imagine for other pokemon like Thundurus/Tornadus/etc. Special Attackers that hate Blissey/Chansey can just send in Chandelure on the pink blob, set up a Substitute and CM up to kill the blob and then kill whatever comes in next.(And then die)
 
alphatron said:
SubCM is too slow, but as far as Blissey is concerned, it does the job.
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That's the point.

You switch in on Blissey/Chansey.
Chandelure used Substitute!
The foe's Blissey is screwed!
Chandelure used Calm Mind x6!
The foe's Blissey prepares her ass!
Chandelure used Fire Blast/Flamethrower!
The foe's Blissey was raped!
*Chandy is still behind a sub*
The foe sent out uhhh...Terrakion!
The foe's Terrakion used Stone Miss!
It's Super Effective!
Chandelure's Substitute faded!
Chandelure used Shadow Ball!
The foe's Terrakion was also raped!
The foe sent out Landorus!
The foe's Landorus used Earthquake!
It's Super Effective!
Chandelure fainted!

Mission: Completed.
 
The thing is, Blissey would just switch once she sees that you've used substitute, which is always what happened to me and which is why I've stopped using CM. You'll probably get in only one calm mind before your opponent decides to bite you back.

That, and I have a bad habit of seeing problem pokemon whenever I tend to use certain strategies. Hey there Snorlax. How's it going?
 
Whoops. My mistake then. ST Chandy does exactly what you detailed. I even recall one guy doing that to me with flame charge.
 
trick room chandelure is a pretty good choice for offensive TR team that don't want use jellicent and struggle with scizor ..

I'm thinking about building a sun TR around this guy for moar poweer :D
 
Z-rex said:
trick room chandelure is a pretty good choice for offensive TR team that don't want use jellicent and struggle with scizor ..

I'm thinking about building a sun TR around this guy for moar poweer :D
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Well, Heatran is slower, bulkier, and gets Quiet Eruption.

Though Chandelure can set up it's own TR....IIRC.
 
yeah i have tried quiet eruption tran and it's .... unbelievable ( ohkoed chomp with eruption in sun , did like 60% to jellicent , basically only ttar and other heatran can switch on him )

but heatran can't reliably check scizor , specially when trick room is over , chandelure can setup TR and laugh at scizor ^^ ..

there's only that annoying SR weakness :/
 
alphatron said:
On a serious note, all of the players who actually know anything about the dreamworld metagame will know to ban shadow tag chandelure once it hits.
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Really now? I used to be a big DW player and whilst it was a force to be reckoned with, it wasnt much more of a pain than fucking weather or Moody and the like, just on the same level of annoyance. Steels didn't dominate, Breloom wasn't allowed to run free, nor Ferrothorn, or Scizor, the normally awesome Fighting typing was unwise. And there was always Shed Shell, but people used to foam at the mouth at the sheer injustive that they couldn't spam leftovers on everything that couldn't stand a little heat. Plus the fact that it was often locked into Fire or Ghost moves meant your next choice could usually enjoy a free turn of preparation. One of those "annoying things that people want banned but in the process ignore legal but more annoying things" deals.

Of course, it was the OU of OU, it did centralise, and the amount of crazy gamebreaking shit you could pull off with its ability was ridiculous, what with Durant truancy and Memento Chains, so I wouldn't expect a healthy metagame with it around.
 
NDenizen, if ST Chandelure was purely a format warper, then I wouldn't mind (think of what Garchomp did to Gen 4 and what Scizor did to hyper offense much later on). The thing is, it doesn't just stop there. The amount of team support he gives is completely ridiculous. For example. Think of all the pokemon who counter latios. Now think of how chandelure kills off all but one of them. I used to be a DW only player, but I fled the tier even after I got over the fact that I just wasn't allowed to use certain pokemon.
 
alphatron said:
NDenizen, if ST Chandelure was purely a format warper, then I wouldn't mind (think of what Garchomp did to Gen 4 and what Scizor did to hyper offense much later on). The thing is, it doesn't just stop there. The amount of team support he gives is completely ridiculous. For example. Think of all the pokemon who counter latios. Now think of how chandelure kills off all but one of them.
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Latios strikes me as a bad example due to it being a dirty whore of an overpowered pokemon anyway. But you're right in that the support Chandy has was amazing, though I still believe it was a nifty cure to so much stale bullshit that had ruled the metagame before. Relying on Choice? Bad option. Relying on Steels? Bad option. Want to spam Haxrachi or Poison Heal Breloom? Bad option. It opened up greater relevance of moves such as U-Turn, Volt Switch and more Baton Pass, and Shed Shell over generic health recovery to preserve walls.

Plus it was just...frail, and notoriously easy to surprise kill. Breloom with and Focus Sash and Rock Slide was always a fun answer to Chandy Tag, turning a perfect opportunity into an OHKO.

It will get banned, hopefully with enough testing first, and frankly the metagame could use a little stirring up of what's reliable or not before we wave it goodbye.

Plus Tyranitar can kill it, so that will keep the voters happy.

I used to be a DW only player, but I fled the tier even after I got over the fact that I just wasn't allowed to use certain pokemon.
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I bet you lots of people would also say this...whilst defending Stealth Rock.
 
I was going to make a Chandy... and then I realized he will be banned as a whole, and if not I will just have to re-make one with Shadow Tag. So now I guess I won't make Chandy...
 
Cefiro said:
I was going to make a Chandy... and then I realized he will be banned as a whole, and if not I will just have to re-make one with Shadow Tag. So now I guess I won't make Chandy...
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It will propably take a lot of time until the DW Abilities of Gen 5 Mons will be released and you can never be sure that it will be released at all.
If you really want to breed/RNG a chandelure i would just do it now you will likely be able to use it for quite a long time (and its not even sure it will be banned when shadow tag is released).
 
On an unrelated note to the Shadow Tag Shandy discussion going on here, I've been thinking about what Chandelure can do, and it occured to me that Scarf Chandelure is the best Spinblocker for sun teams. Yes, it's SR weak, but those immunities are useful and it has a fucking strong Overheat, lures in Tyranitar and Politoed for smart double switches or the appropriate coverage moves if they run a non-bulky set, and has an advantage against Lati@s, who otherwise give sun teams problems.

I've only used it a handful of times, mostly because I don't usually run too many entry hazards on my sun teams, but if anyone else has used Chandelure for this purpose I'd love to hear about it.
 
If not for the fact that your avatar pisses me off (I've been trying to get at least an A or S rank on all the stages in MMZ3), I would hug you.

I've currently been using chandelure variants for that purpose. Sun teams absolutely NEED hazards since most of their pokemon can't nab the kos they need on walls or otherwise would be counters without it. Chandelure is good for keeping rapid spinners off your back and as we all know, it hits like a monster. Personally, I use a LO chandelure though. The 2HKO on Tentacruel with shadow ball is nice as the ability to smack tyranitar in the face with an hp fighting (even the most defensive variants cannot hope to switch into this and tank another hit).

A choice scarf would let me beat starmie, as well as some other things, but I've been finding flame charge or even substitute more useful recently. By the way, politoed has no business switching into any attack that isn't fire blast or hidden power fighting, as anything else chandelure normally carries will destroy it.
 
Best set for this? As well as best nature for said set? Timid or Modest?
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I've been using a modest max SP Attack scarf set Chandelure to GREAT results. It kills many things very well, and Ttar isnt actually a problem if you predict right, because HP Fighting is a guarantee'd 2HKO. Thing hits like a warhead.

edit: just watch out for blissey, it takes only like 16 percent from hp fighting, so you arent killing it with chandy.
 
I prefer Shadow tag over Flash Fire anyday seeing how if there is a choice fighting or normal type move out on the field you can just set up or blast whatever is stuck on the uneffective choiced move.
 
VictiniforVictory said:
I prefer Shadow tag over Flash Fire anyday seeing how if there is a choice fighting or normal type move out on the field you can just set up or blast whatever is stuck on the uneffective choiced move.
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Everyone would prefer ST over FF; the problem is that ST Chandelure isn't released legally yet.
 
just wondering, if/when ST Chandelure is released (Shandara was a way better name -_-) will it be pretty much banned from OU right away? because with the kind of raw power it has, every steel not heatran is dead to ST chandelure and there will be a ton more common poke's in the metagame that are screwed over by ghost/fire.
 
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