Bidoof (Analysis)

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QC: 2/2 (Diana/Elevator Music)
GP: 2/2 (Fatecrashers/NatGeo)

[Overview]

<p>When one thinks of Bidoof, the first thoughts that come to mind are generally "HM Slave" or "Derp." Surprisingly, Bidoof is able to move beyond those sentiments and be useful in Little Cup. Its only niche lies in its ability, "Simple," which doubles stat boosts or drops. With this ability, Bidoof is able to use Curse, Work Up, or even Charge Beam to boost with haste. However, it's not all good news for our bucktoothed friend. He is unfortunately cursed with a Normal typing in a tier where every team has a Fighting-type. Likewise, its low defenses give it difficulty setting up. Nonetheless, Bidoof can prove to be a very valuable member of your team, provided you give him the proper support.</p>

[SET]
name: Curse
move 1: Curse
move 2: Return
move 3: Aqua Tail
move 4: Quick Attack
item: Eviolite
ability: Simple
nature: Adamant
evs: 204 HP / 236 Atk / 36 Def

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>The purpose of this set is to abuse Simple to receive +2 Attack and Defense from a single Curse. Return is the main STAB move on the set. Aqua Tail is then used for coverage, only missing out on Frillish, Lileep, and Ferroseed. Unfortunately, due to Simple, Curse reduces Bidoof's Speed by 2 stages. Bidoof has access to STAB Quick Attack, though, mitigating the Speed drops. The given EVs maximize Bidoof's HP so, when combined with Eviolite, it will be able to take hits. The rest maximize Attack and give it a boost in Defense, allowing our favorite beaver to reach an impressive 28 Attack and 22 Defense after a single Curse.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>This set appreciates entry hazard support, as it wears down the opponent's team and makes it significantly easier to acquire boosts. Likewise, because of the popularity of Fighting-type Pokemon, it is recommended to run dual screen support. That way, Bidoof will have a much easier time setting up.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, it is rather hard to set up with Curse when Pokemon such as Mienfoo, Scraggy, Croagunk, and Timburr are so common. These Pokemon threaten Bidoof with their super effective STAB attacks so it is difficult to set up. Likewise, Ferroseed, Frillish, and Lileep are able to take on this set as they resist or are immune to every move it carries. Accordingly, this set appreciates partners that are able to take care of those Pokemon. Mixed Houndour, for example, is able to OHKO Ferroseed with Fire Blast and can 2HKO Frillish with Crunch. Special Snover, with Blizzard, Giga Drain, and Hidden Power Fire, is also able to take out these Pokemon. Fighting-type Pokemon such as Mienfoo or Croagunk make good partners as well, as they can check Ferroseed, Lileep and opposing Fighting-type Pokemon that give Bidoof a difficult time. Choice Scarf Flying-type Pokemon such as Taillow threaten Fighting-type Pokemon with Brave Bird. Gastly and Abra make good partners for the same reason. Gastly can also take care of Slowpoke, who doesn't take much from this set due to its high Defense. Special attackers such as Gastly or Drifloon, who are immune to or resist Quick Attack, also give this set problems, as they can outspeed and kill Bidoof. Partners such as Stunky who can take care of Ghost-type Pokemon are helpful to deal with these threats.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Since Bidoof's movepool is as large as its teeth, it has many other options available. Charge Beam gives Bidoof a 70% chance of obtaining a +2 boost to Special Attack, making its Special Attack stat somewhat viable. Likewise, it can use its other ability, Unaware, to ignore stat boosters. Unfortunately, since the most common stat booster is Scraggy, Unaware isn't a very useful of an ability on Bidoof. Its other moves also allow it to threaten specific Pokemon. Superpower hits Scraggy hard, while Shadow Ball hits Gastly and Frillish for super effective damage. Hidden Power Fire can be used for Ferroseed. Unfortunately, the lack of Water/Normal coverage hurts. Likewise, Bidoof has an excellent support movepool. With access to Yawn and Thunder Wave, it can support the team by inflicting status on opponents. Bidoof also has the ability to lay Stealth Rock. As amusing as that is, it's generally an option left for another teammate. Bidoof also has access to Work Up, meaning a mixed set is also viable as Simple grants it +2 in both Attack and Special Attack. Unfortunately, a sweep is difficult to pull off due to Bidoof's low Speed and unboosted defenses.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Unfortunately for Bidoof, there are many Pokemon that fare well against it. Frillish, Ferroseed, and Lileep resist or are immune to Water- and Normal-type attacks, letting them handle Bidoof's entire set. Likewise, Fighting-type Pokemon give Bidoof a hard time, as their attacks will do a lot of damage, even after a Curse. Bulky Pokemon such as Slowpoke give Bidoof without Charge Beam problems, as their sheer physical bulk lets them tank hits from Bidoof all day. Special attackers who are immune to or resist Quick Attack scare Bidoof away as they can kill the beaver before it can kill them.</p>

[Dreamworld]

<p>Bidoof receives Moody from the Dream World, which is banned from every tier.
 
Too bad Simple doesn't double boost baton passed stats anymore...

A few more moves could work in other options to support or help Bidoof set up some:

Yawn is cool as they either switch or fall asleep, and Bidoof or something else can set up either way.

Superpower hits Steel-types and Scraggy but losing those stats sucks. You wouldn't use it too often but it can be very useful in the right spot.

Thunder Wave and Stealth Rock are more team support options, though both can benefit Bidoof itself (though I wouldn't use both at once)

Also Work Up is +2 Attack and Special Attack if you're into that.

Sure so once that's in...

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I've used the curse set before and it's decent.
 
mention hidden power fire + brave? I'd assume it does little to ferroseed but it's better than nothing.

as far as I know, you don't need a DW section (since moody is already released).

would it be a bad idea to try a more specially defensive set? (does it avoid any KOes with extra SpD I mean?)
 
Yeah maybe I was kind of way too empty when doing this. I'll implement those changes, thanks Diana. I didn't want to include Superpower because -2 in attack/defense is brutal. Likewise, yawn/twave/friends (support) is kind of outclassed? Because this thing has shitty stats/typing for current meta. I'll OO it for sure though.

And @Breludicolo, a more specially defensive set leaves it OHKOed by a HJK from a max attack Mienfoo when at +2, and removing the attack investment means it's weak as shit.
 
OO is okay for it, and using one move along with curse is a decent option tbh.
 
Mention Work Up over Curse? It doesn't have to be a mixed set, really. Max speed Jolly Bidoof reaches 13 speed (I think), enough to outpace some pretty bulky pokemon, which is very useful. Quick Attack won't kill everything.
 
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there is some "it" "he" discrepancy, so I kept with "it". I may have missed some, though.
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[Overview]

When one thinks of Bidoof, the first thoughts that come to mind are generally "HM Slave" or "Derp." Surprisingly, Bidoof is able to move beyond those sentiments that and be useful in Little Cup. Its only niche, though, lies in its ability, "Simple,"[commas] which doubles stat boosts or drops. With this ability, Bidoof is able to use Curse, Work Up, or even Charge Beam to boost with haste really quickly. However, it's not all good news for our bucktoothed friend. Unfortunately, He is unfortunately cursed with a Normal typing in a tier where every team has a Fighting-type. Likewise, his low defenses make it difficult to set up. Nonetheless, Bidoof can prove to be a very valuable member of your team, provided you give him the proper support.

[SET]
name: Curse
move 1: Curse
move 2: Return
move 3: Aqua Tail
move 4: Quick Attack
item: Eviolite
ability: Simple
nature: Adamant
evs: 204 HP / 236 Atk / 36 Def

[SET COMMENTS]

The purpose of this set is to abuse Simple to receive +2 Attack and Defense from a single Curse., giving Bidoof an impressive 28 Attack and 22 Defense with the given EVs. Return is the main STAB move on the set. Aqua Tail is then used for coverage, only missing out on Frillish, Lileep, and Ferroseed. Unfortunately, due to Simple, Curse reduces Bidoof's Speed by 2 stages. Fortunately, Bidoof has access to STAB Quick Attack, mitigating the speed drops. The given EVs maximize Bidoof's HP so, when combined with Eviolite, it will be able to take hits. The rest maximize Attack and give it a boost in Defense, allowing this beaver[?] to reach an impressive 28 Attack and 22 Defense after one Curse.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

This set appreciates entry hazard support, as they it wears down the opponent's team and makes it significantly easier to acquire boosts. Likewise, because of the popularity of Fighting-type Pokemon, it is recommended to run this Bidoof with screen support. That way, Bidoof will have a much easier time setting up.

Unfortunately, it is rather hard to set up a Curse when Pokemon such as Mienshao, Scrafty, Croagunk, and Timburr are so common. These Pokemon threaten Bidoof with their super effective STAB super effective attacks so it is unable to set up. Likewise, Ferroseed, Frillish, and Lileep are able to take on this set as they resist or are immune to every move on this set. Accordingly, this set appreciates partners that are able to take care of those Pokemon. Mixed Houndour, for example, is able to OHKO Ferroseed with Fire Blast and can 2HKO Frillish with..... Special Snover, with Blizzard, Giga Drain, and HP Fire, is also able to take out these Pokemon. Fighting-type Pokemon such as Mienfoo or Croagunk make good partners as well, as they can take Ferroseed and Lileep and check opposing Fighting-type Pokemon that give this set a difficult time. Choice Scarf Flying-type Pokemon such as Taillow threaten Fighting-type Pokemon with Brave Bird. Gastly and Abra make good partners, as they help check Fighting-type Pokemon. Gastly can also take care of Slowpoke, who doesn't take much from this set due to its high Defense. Special attackers such as Gastly or Drifloon who are immune to or resist Quick Attack also give this set problems, as they can outspeed and kill Bidoof, so partners such as ____ are helpful to deal with these threats.

[Other Options]

Since Bidoof's movepool is as large as its teeth, it has many other options it can use. Charge Beam gives Bidoof a 70% chance of obtaining a +2 boost to Special Attack, making a its Special Attack stat somewhat viable. Likewise, it can use its other ability, Unaware, to ignore stat boosters. Unfortunately, since the most common of such is Scraggy, that it isn't very useful of an ability on Bidoof. Its coverage options also allow it to threaten specific Pokemon. Superpower hits Scraggy hard, while Shadow Ball hits Gastly and Frillish for super effective damage. Hidden Power Fire can be used for Ferroseed. Unfortunately, the lack of coverage hurts. [I am confused about these two bolded bits. Do you mean the Normal-Water neutral coverage combo?] Likewise, Bidoof has an excellent support movepool. It has With access to Yawn and Thunder Wave, being able to it can support the team by inflicting status on scary opponentsmembers. Likewise, somehow Arceus granted Bidoof the ability to lay Stealth Rock, most likely from its teeth. As amusing as that is, it's generally an option left for another teammate. It Bidoof also has access to Work Up, meaning a mixed set is very viable as Simple grants it +2 in both Attack and Special Attack. Unfortunately, a sweep is difficult to pull off it's difficult to sweep with due to Bidoof's low Speed and unboosted defenses.

[Checks and Counters]

Unfortunately for Bidoof, there are many Pokemon that fare well against it. Frillish, Ferroseed, and Lileep resist or are immune to Water- and Normal-type moves, letting them handle Bidoof's entire set. Likewise, Fighting-type Pokemon give Bidoof a hard time, as their those attacks will still do a lot of damage, even after a Bidoof's Curse. Bulky Pokemon such as Slowpoke give Bidoof without Charge Beam problems, as their sheer physical bulk let them tank hits from it Bidoof all day. Special attackers who are immune to or resist Quick Attack, likewise, scare Bidoof away as they can kill the beaver it before it can kill them.

[Dreamworld]

Bidoof receives Moody from the Dream World. Bidoof loved Moody, as this ability it allowed it him to 6-0 some Ubers teams. However, no other user appreciated Bidoof's new ability, and it was soon banned, even from even Ubers. Bidoof's Dream World ability is not allowed in standard play.
 
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QC: 2/2 (Diana/Elevator Music)
GP: 0/2

[Overview]

<p>When one thinks of Bidoof, the first thoughts that come to mind are generally "HM Slave" or "Derp." Surprisingly, Bidoof is able to move beyond those sentiments and be useful in Little Cup. Its only niche, though, lies in its ability, "Simple," which doubles stat boosts or drops. With this ability, Bidoof is able to use Curse, Work Up, or even Charge Beam to boost with haste. However, it's not all good news for our bucktoothed friend. He is unfortunately cursed with a Normal typing in a tier where every team has a Fighting-type. Likewise, his low defenses make it difficult to set up. Nonetheless, Bidoof can prove to be a very valuable member of your team, provided you give him the proper support.</p>

[SET]
name: Curse
move 1: Curse
move 2: Return
move 3: Aqua Tail
move 4: Quick Attack
item: Eviolite
ability: Simple
nature: Adamant
evs: 204 HP / 236 Atk / 36 Def

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>The purpose of this set is to abuse Simple to receive +2 Attack and Defense from a single Curse. Return is the main STAB move on the set. Aqua Tail is then used for coverage, only missing out on Frillish, Lileep, and Ferroseed. Unfortunately, due to Simple, Curse reduces Bidoof's Speed by 2 stages. Fortunately, Bidoof has access to STAB Quick Attack, mitigating the speed drops. The given EVs maximize Bidoof's HP so, when combined with Eviolite, it will be able to take hits. The rest maximize Attack and give it a boost in Defense, allowing our favorite beaver to reach an impressive 28 Attack and 22 Defense after a single Curse.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>This set appreciates entry hazard support, as it wears down the opponent's team and makes it significantly easier to acquire boosts. Likewise, because of the popularity of Fighting-type Pokemon, it is recommended to run this Bidoof with screen support. That way, Bidoof will have a much easier time setting up.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, it is rather hard to set up a Curse when Pokemon such as Mienshao, Scrafty, Croagunk, and Timburr are so common. These Pokemon threaten Bidoof with their super effective STAB attacks so it is unable to set up. Likewise, Ferroseed, Frillish, and Lileep are able to take on this set as they resist or are immune to every move on this setit carries. Accordingly, this set appreciates partners that are able to take care of those Pokemon. Mixed Houndour, for example, is able to OHKO Ferroseed with Fire Blast and can 2HKO Frillish with Crunch. Special Snover, with Blizzard, Giga Drain, and HP Fire, is also able to take out these Pokemon. Fighting-type Pokemon such as Mienfoo or Croagunk make good partners as well, as they can take Ferroseed and Lileep and check opposing Fighting-type Pokemon that give this set a difficult time. Choice Scarf Flying-type Pokemon such as Taillow threaten Fighting-type Pokemon with Brave Bird. Gastly and Abra make good partners , as they help check Fighting-type Pokemonfor the same reason. Gastly can also take care of Slowpoke, who doesn't take much from this set due to its high Defense. Special attackers such as Gastly or Drifloon who are immune to or resist Quick Attack also give this set problems, as they can outspeed and kill Bidoof, so partners such as Stunky who can take care of Ghost-type Pokemon are helpful to deal with these threats.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Since Bidoof's movepool is as large as its teeth, it has many other options it can use available. Charge Beam gives Bidoof a 70% chance of obtaining a +2 boost to Special Attack, making its Special Attack stat somewhat viable. Likewise, it can use its other ability, Unaware, to ignore stat boosters. Unfortunately, since the most common of such Pokemon to encounter stat boosting is Scraggy, that isn't very useful of an ability on Bidoof. Its other moves also allow it to threaten specific Pokemon. Superpower hits Scraggy hard, while Shadow Ball hits Gastly and Frillish for super effective damage. Hidden Power Fire can be used for Ferroseed. Unfortunately, the lack of Water/Normal coverage hurts. Likewise, Bidoof has an excellent support movepool. With access to Yawn and Thunder Wave, it can support the team by inflicting status on scary opponents. Likewise, somehow Arceus granted Bidoof the ability to lay Stealth Rock, most likely from its teeth. As amusing as that is, it's generally an option left for another teammate. Bidoof also has access to Work Up, meaning a mixed set is very also viable as Simple grants it +2 in both Attack and Special Attack. Unfortunately, (added a space) a sweep is difficult to pull off due to Bidoof's low Speed and unboosted defenses.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Unfortunately for Bidoof, there are many Pokemon that fare well against it. Frillish, Ferroseed, and Lileep resist or are immune to Water- and Normal-type moves, letting them handle Bidoof's entire set. Likewise, Fighting-type Pokemon give Bidoof a hard time, as their attacks will still do a lot of damage, even after a Curse. Bulky Pokemon such as Slowpoke give Bidoof without Charge Beam problems, as their sheer physical bulk let them tank hits from Bidoof all day. Special attackers who are immune to or resist Quick Attack, likewise, scare Bidoof away as they can kill the beaver before it can kill them.</p>

[Dreamworld]

<p>Bidoof receives Moody from the Dream World. Bidoof loved Moody, as this ability allowed Bidoof to 6-0 some Ubers teams. However, no other user appreciated Bidoof's new ability, and it was soon banned, even from Ubers.
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tiny stuff, good read!
 
Just saying, in the second paragraph of the Additional Comments, you mention Mienshao and Scrafty when you mean Mienfoo and Scraggy.
 
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[Overview]

<p>When one thinks of Bidoof, the first thoughts that come to mind are generally "HM Slave" or "Derp." Surprisingly, Bidoof is able to move beyond those sentiments and be useful in Little Cup. Its only niche, though, lies in its ability, "Simple," which doubles stat boosts or drops. With this ability, Bidoof is able to use Curse, Work Up, or even Charge Beam to boost with haste. However, it's not all good news for our bucktoothed friend. He It is unfortunately cursed with a Normal typing in a tier where every team has a Fighting-type. Likewise, his its low defenses gives make it difficulty to setting up. Nonetheless, Bidoof can prove to be a very valuable member of your team, provided you give him the proper support.</p>

[SET]
name: Curse
move 1: Curse
move 2: Return
move 3: Aqua Tail
move 4: Quick Attack
item: Eviolite
ability: Simple
nature: Adamant
evs: 204 HP / 236 Atk / 36 Def

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>The purpose of this set is to abuse Simple to receive +2 Attack and Defense from a single Curse. Return is the main STAB move on the set. Aqua Tail is then used for coverage, only missing out on Frillish, Lileep, and Ferroseed. Unfortunately, due to Simple, Curse reduces Bidoof's Speed by 2 stages. Fortunately, Bidoof has access to STAB Quick Attack, though, mitigating the Speed drops. The given EVs maximize Bidoof's HP so, when combined with Eviolite, it will be able to take hits. The rest maximize Attack and give it a boost in Defense, allowing our favorite beaver to reach an impressive 28 Attack and 22 Defense after a single Curse.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>This set appreciates entry hazard support, as it wears down the opponent's team and makes it significantly easier to acquire boosts. Likewise, because of the popularity of Fighting-type Pokemon, it is recommended to run this Bidoof with dual screen support. That way, Bidoof will have a much easier time setting up.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, it is rather hard to set up a with Curse when Pokemon such as Mienshao Mienfoo, Scrafty Scraggy, Croagunk, and Timburr are so common. These Pokemon threaten Bidoof with their super effective STAB attacks so it is unable difficult to set up. Likewise, Ferroseed, Frillish, and Lileep are able to take on this set as they resist or are immune to every move it carries. Accordingly, this set appreciates partners that are able to take care of those Pokemon. Mixed Houndour, for example, is able to OHKO Ferroseed with Fire Blast and can 2HKO Frillish with Crunch. Special Snover, with Blizzard, Giga Drain, and HP Hidden Power Fire, is also able to take out these Pokemon. Fighting-type Pokemon such as Mienfoo or Croagunk make good partners as well, as they can take check Ferroseed and Lileep and check opposing Fighting-type Pokemon that give this set Bidoof a difficult time. Choice Scarf Flying-type Pokemon such as Taillow threaten Fighting-type Pokemon with Brave Bird. Gastly and Abra make good partnersfor the same reason. Gastly can also take care of Slowpoke, who doesn't take much from this set due to its high Defense. Special attackers such as Gastly or Drifloon, (comma) who are immune to or resist Quick Attack also give this set problems, as they can outspeed and kill Bidoof. (period) , so Partners such as Stunky, (comma) who can take care of Ghost-type Pokemon are helpful to deal with these threats.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Since Bidoof's movepool is as large as its teeth, it has many other options available. Charge Beam gives Bidoof a 70% chance of obtaining a +2 boost to Special Attack, making its Special Attack stat somewhat viable. Likewise, it can use its other ability, Unaware, to ignore stat boosters. Unfortunately, since the most common Pokemon to encounter stat booster ing is Scraggy, that Unaware isn't a very useful of an ability on Bidoof. Its other moves also allow it to threaten specific Pokemon. Superpower hits Scraggy hard, while Shadow Ball hits Gastly and Frillish for super effective damage. Hidden Power Fire can be used for Ferroseed. Unfortunately, the lack of Water/Normal coverage hurts. Likewise, Bidoof has an excellent support movepool. With access to Yawn and Thunder Wave, it can support the team by inflicting status on scary opponents. Likewise, somehow Arceus granted Bidoof has the ability to lay Stealth Rock, most likely from its teeth. As amusing as that is, it's generally an option left for another teammate. Bidoof also has access to Work Up, meaning a mixed set is also viable as Simple grants it +2 in both Attack and Special Attack. Unfortunately, a sweep is difficult to pull off due to Bidoof's low Speed and unboosted defenses.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Unfortunately for Bidoof, there are many Pokemon that fare well against it. Frillish, Ferroseed, and Lileep resist or are immune to Water- and Normal-type moves attacks, letting them handle Bidoof's entire set. Likewise, Fighting-type Pokemon give Bidoof a hard time, as their attacks will still do a lot of damage, even after a Curse. Bulky Pokemon such as Slowpoke give Bidoof without Charge Beam problems, as their sheer physical bulk lets them tank hits from Bidoof all day. Special attackers who are immune to or resist Quick Attack, likewise, scare Bidoof away as they can kill the beaver before it can kill them.</p>

[Dreamworld]

<p>Bidoof receives Moody from the Dream World, (comma) which is banned from every tier.. Bidoof loved Moody, as this ability allowed Bidoof to 6-0 some Ubers teams. However, no other user appreciated Bidoof's new ability, and it was soon banned, even from Ubers.</p>

Couple of things:

You have to be consistent when referring to the Pokemon. You kinda switched between "it" and "he" now and again

Keep jokes to a minimum, even on Bidoof

Also why is Charge Beam even mentioned when Work Up does it with Perfect accuracy and +2 Attack aswell?
 
Moo's check is good, though some things I wanna fix:

gives > give in the Overview
space between partners and for in the second paragraph of ac
don't put the comma in the last sentence regarding stunky in the ac

otherwise Moo got it

GP 2/2
 
Sorry for the delay, this has been updated and finished. Charge Beam is mentioned because it acts as a coverage move.
 
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