Need help with team building

supajew754

Team take 2.

Infernape w/ focus sash
Ability: Blaze
Nature: Naive/Hasty (+Spe -Def/SpD
Ev's-200Spe/200Spa/110Att
-Fake out
-Stealth Rock
-Close Combat
-Fire Blast

Courtesy of Smogon University, this set provides the perfect leadoff pokemon that also completes my type coverage and balances my weaknesses on my team should it survive it's leadership role. Powerful attack types that are good against a ton of common starters. I wanted to fit infernape in somehow, and here we go.

Ferrothorn w/ rocky helmet
Ability: iron barbs
Nature: Careful (+spd -spa)
Ev's-252def/152hp/106spd
-Curse
-Gyro ball
-Power whip
-Leech seed

Powerful physical beast and makes me feel extremely safe when covered by Starmie and Salamance. Great staller and can work with taunts very well with the strong power of gyro ball, which nearly doubles in power after an application of curse due to the attack increase and the speed decrease. Power whip for awesome STAB.

Starmie w/ life orb
Ability: Natural Cure
Nature: Timid (+spe -att)
Ev's: 252spe/252spa/6hp
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Psyshock/Rapid spin

My counter for Heatran and fighting types that would dare hurt Ferrothorn. Psyshock deals with the menace known as Blissey as well as STAB, and the rest provide great type coverage. I'm using multiple Special sweepers to counter my defensive core of Cofagrigus and Umbreon. However, rapid spin is also great because stealth rock destroys Charizard.

Togekiss w/ leftovers
Ability: Serene grace
Nature: Calm (+SpD -Att)
Ev's: 252hp(to maximize wish for party members)/150SpDef/108Def
-Protect
-Air slash
-Wish
-Thunder Wave

Changing the concept from partial-staller to bloody annoying thing. Statuses don't make me that agitated, and this set is just a PAIN. Protect means every other turn I don't get hit. Thunder wave paralyzes=25% no-hit as well as slowing it to allow air slash with a 60% flinching rate. Add wish as a heal and this is my annoyer.

Cofagrigus w/ leftovers
Ability-Mummy
Bold (+def -att)
Ev's-252sdef/100def/158hp
-Will-o-wisp
-Hex
-Power Split
-Rest

With the defensive nature and will-o-wisp, few physical attacks get anywhere. With maxed ev's the special defensive side is taken care of. Power split should cripple the opponent's pokemon offensively along with will-o-wisp. Hex deals damage to the infected.

Salamence w/ Life orb
Ability: Intimidate
Nature: Naive (+Spe -SpD)
Ev's: 252att/252spe/hp
-Earthquake
-Dragon Dance
-Outrage
-Fire Blast

Dragon Dance Ownage Salamence. 'Nuff said. Plus, it covers for Ferrothorn's weaknesses and has, I think, almost perfect type coverage. So happy this one isn't banned.


I have just assembled the idea for this team, and with the exception of ferrothorn and cofagrigus who I trained about a week ago my team has not been made yet, which means I am completely open to suggestions for new pokemon or moves or natures etc. Thanks!
 
Cofagrigus can't learn Pain Split
Double Team is banned on Smogon
Garchomp is Uber
Just wanted to point this out before I start
You should make Umbreon Specially Defensive, so that it is not the same as Cofargrigus. If you put Mean Look, give Umbreon Mental Herb to avoid getting Taunted.
I have no idea why you put 252 SpEVs on Cofagrigus. Its speed is so low, even with Max speed it can barely outspeed anything. Spend it on HP and Def instead.
 
Thanks. I just checked a second ago and was about to edit this about Garchomp. I'll find something else. Cofagrigus and Umbreon should be based on opposite ends. That's a typo hehe the ev's are actually on special defense because I figured with will-o-wisp defense becomes unnecessary. Any suggestions to replace Garchomp? I'm thinking Krookodile because of the similar stats and the completely identical moveset.
 
You dont really seem to have any special walls , only cofagrius but he needs to get off a calm mind first. Also as a special wall , cofagrius is outclassed by alot of pokemon.
Cofagrius does have power split , wich is a very nice thing to criple opponents physical attackers. So i would go with a EV set like : 252 Hp , 252 SpDef
Use power split , WoW , Rest and Shadow ball . This makes for a good wall , that can cripple opponents that thought of killing you and can go to sleep without worrying.

Garchomp is banned in OU , change him with salamance or something to make this a legal OU team.
Defenatly use Rapid spin on starmie , SR would kill off charizard too easely otherwise.
 
My goal is to make Umbreon my special wall. I didn't put any ev's into attack for Cofagrigus so power split seems great since it affects both stats. I haven't started training umbreon so I can still put a ton of spdef ev's into it.
 
That could work too i suppose but be wary of close combat/superpower and those things.
Because Umbreon gets hurt from those things alot.
(I believe umbreon isnt used much just because of those reasons .)
 
My reasoning is because if faced with that I can sub cofagrigus in. However, with krookodile, I face 3 fighting weaknesses which would make air slash necessary. So now I have 3 things that own fighting and 3 that get destroyed by it. Is that worth it, or should I switch out umbreon? And if so, any suggestions on a replacement?
 
A good special wall for this team would be: Vaporeon , Tentacuel , Jellicent

Both have their advantages , tentacruel can spin too so you could go with a full attacking Starmie if u take him.
Where vaporeon can give wish support wich will help you out greatly.
Jellicent has other advantages : He can block rapid spin , but your cofagrius can too , he can taunt , i dont think you had a taunter yet so thats a plus .
He also has recovery as a reliable healing move , wich tentacruel doesn have.
Vaporeon can heal himself with the wish/protect combo and heal others , so this would help you in keeping alive cofagrius too , so maybe a vaporeon would be the best bet for you.
 
Great. I'm going to also use Salamence as a mixed sweeper. I have a stock of like 15 eevee eggs I'll break into to get a vaporeon. I tried jellicent but it kept dying in-game. I'll use vaporeon as a healer. I'm going to think of a replacement for charizard now to get my type coverage right. I need a physical sweeper; any ideas?
 
Actually I'm going to go Togekiss. As a cleric and toxic user. The usage of fly is amazing with toxic in my opinion, plus it heals you on the way down.
Moveset of
-Wish
-Fly
-Toxic
-Heal Bell

Maka sense? I'm really debating this over vaporeon due to the type weaknesses in my party. This would replace Charizard freeing a space for a physical sweeper of some type. You're right about me needing a cleric, and the real reason is I don't want to go breeding 4 things to get an eevee with wish :D
 
Honestly, that Togekiss set is plain wrong
Togekiss
Leftovers
Serene Grace
Nature: Calm (+SpD -Att)
252 HP/ 188 Sp Def/ 64 Def
Air Slash
Thunder Wave/Aura Sphere
Wish
Heal Bell
No Togekiss runs Hustle, it attack stat is poor compared to its Sp.Attk. Leftovers is the cleric item, Air Slash+Thunder Wave=ParaFlinch. It makes full use of Serene Grace by doubling Air Slash's flinch rate. If you don't want ParaFlinch then Aura Sphere for better coverage
 
Look nothing is done lol it just makes perfect sense in my mind and on paper it's the same vaporeon set just instead of dive or protect it's fly. I'm going to try both out; got a week with nothing better to do hehe. I feel like it could seriously work though.

Edit: Oh my you're absolutely right let me get on protect over fly. Toxic is solid on clerics in my opinion to force a switch out and just disrupt the enemy a little.

Edit II: No. This pokemon with air slash is made to piss off even the most patient player. I'm running a flinch-paralyze set with wish and protect as well.
 
supajew754 said:
Look nothing is done lol it just makes perfect sense in my mind and on paper it's the same vaporeon set just instead of dive or protect it's fly. I'm going to try both out; got a week with nothing better to do hehe. I feel like it could seriously work though.

Edit: Oh my you're absolutely right let me get on protect over fly. Toxic is solid on clerics in my opinion to force a switch out and just disrupt the enemy a little.

Edit II: No. This pokemon with air slash is made to piss off even the most patient player. I'm running a flinch-paralyze set with wish and protect as well.
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Lol so what are you doing? I don't understand
 
:D sorry I'm going for an annoyer with air slash, thunder wave, wish, and protect with max hp ev's and a bulky rest of the set. the point is to bug them until they switch and rinse and repeat until the whole party is paralyzed. That's the reason I'm keeping hex on cofag cuz it just works so well with this
 
Switch the 4hp evs on Mence to Satk, and add in Gliscor to kill Excadrill.

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Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Toxic Orb
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252hp/182def/76spd
-Protect/Taunt
-Swords Dance/Taunt
-Earthquake
-Ice Fang/Facade

Walls Exca, Terrakion etc.
 
supajew754 said:
Great. I'm going to also use Salamence as a mixed sweeper. I have a stock of like 15 eevee eggs I'll break into to get a vaporeon. I tried jellicent but it kept dying in-game. I'll use vaporeon as a healer. I'm going to think of a replacement for charizard now to get my type coverage right. I need a physical sweeper; any ideas?
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If you want a Physical Sweeeper go with Conkeldurr, Breloom, Metagross, Gliscor (to an extent) Infernape, Machamp.

Also, Aromatheropy Blissy, Heal Bell Vaporeon, will kill your stratagy. Anything faster than your togekiss, with rock slide or stone edge (Landorus cough cough) kills you. Also I can see you getting mashed by sandstorm teams.
 
With togekiss, anything that might know that would be fighting or ground or rock. I want to use really a dual wall here and i'll sub in cofag and will-o-wisp the threat since he can take a major physical beating. Against sandstorm and heal bell I have weaknesses. Any replacement suggestions for my party? I like the purposes they serve and I'm thinking about umbreon over togekiss but I'm not sure how they'll help. By purposes I mean wall, sweeper, etc.
 
HDT said:
If you want a Physical Sweeeper go with Conkeldurr, Breloom, Metagross, Gliscor (to an extent) Infernape, Machamp.

Also, Aromatheropy Blissy, Heal Bell Vaporeon, will kill your stratagy. Anything faster than your togekiss, with rock slide or stone edge (Landorus cough cough) kills you. Also I can see you getting mashed by sandstorm teams.
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This can be solved by slapping a Taunt on one of your pokes. Infernape can learn it
 
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